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[bgassassin]

Bgassassin do you remember a quote by an AMD rep that basically stated that the Wii U's GPU is a 1TFLOP+ GPU?

Yes. It was said not that long after E3 on a Japanese site.

http://translate.google.com/transla...+u+1tflop&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=681&prmd=imvnsfd

Sorry, I linked the untranslated version.

The translation looks worse than it used to look.

 

[EDarkness]

All it took was for me to see a new title on the board with 500+ posts already to know I wasn't going to bother with it.

I had to bail out of that thread. It is crazy.

 

[Azure J]

All it took was for me to see a new title on the board with 500+ posts already to know I wasn't going to bother with it.

It's a maddening thing to be so curious I swear. Literally every arguement, misconception or confusion from that thread could become for naught if folks stepped inside this thread on its saner days and asked some questions or just read back a little. Of course, those with their own preconceptions won't do it, but it's mildly irritating that they're also influencing those that might not know anything as well.

TL;DR I hate this hazy period of no substantial news in the lead up o console launch E3s, especially with post Wii Nintendo. It's going to get so much worse before it gets better.

 

[magash]

Yes. It was said not that long after E3 on a Japanese site.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/3dcg/20110611_452478.html

Do you have the exact quote in english? because the quote I am specifically looking for is of some AMD rep(I remeber the guy having a feminine like name) that specifically said the GPU was over 1TFLOP

 

[Übermatik]

I'm slipping down on the post count for this thread because I've ran out of things to say.

Honestly, this wait is horrendous. It's boring.

 

[cyberheater]

I'm slipping down on the post count for this thread because I've ran out of things to say.

Honestly, this wait is horrendous. It's boring.

Nintendo need to start releasing some sort of information.

 

[Shadow of the BEAST]

i dont think they will, since its pretty clear performance is not the selling point.

 

[bgassassin]

I had to bail out of that thread. It is crazy.

Not surprised to hear that.

It's a maddening thing to be so curious I swear. Literally every arguement, misconception or confusion from that thread could become for naught if folks stepped inside this thread on its saner days and asked some questions or just read back a little. Of course, those with their own preconceptions won't do it, but it's mildly irritating that they're also influencing those that might not know anything as well.

TL;DR I hate this hazy period of no substantial news in the lead up o console launch E3s, especially with post Wii Nintendo. It's going to get so much worse before it gets better.

The problem is their view is skewed to the point to believe what is said here is overly optimistic. Sometimes to the point of revisionist history and saying people have made claims about Wii U in these threads that were never said.

Do you have the exact quote in english? because the quote I am specifically looking for is of some AMD rep(I remeber the guy having a feminine like name) that specifically said the GPU was over 1TFLOP

Just like I thought, Google or someone's contributions have changed the translation and indeed it reads worse now.

By the way, and said system RADEON HD4000, but not certain until RADEON HD4890 high-end RADEON HD4350 low-end, with AMD saying that you have exceeded the 1TFLOPS performance computing because it was information from another system, more specs middle might be closer to the system rather than the high-end system RADEON HD4800 RADEON HD4000 series of range class, maybe.

By the way, say system RADEON HD4000, but does not have to RADEON HD4890 high-end RADEON HD4350 low-end AMD and it is beyond the 1TFLOPS performance arithmetic I had information from another system, in the specifications middle RADEON HD4000 series instead of the range class may be close to high-end systems based perhaps RADEON HD4800.

But as it stands I feel I can safely assume it's not at that point as of now.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

I had to bail out of that thread. It is crazy.

The only thing 'crazy' about that thread was your embarrassing spinning and twisting of that clear statement about the hardware.

Ok then.
Let's look at what Industry Developers have to say:

The point of contention isn't IF the Wii is more powerful than current gen, it's by how much. All those developers you quoted are saying is that's it's more powerful, something that the majority of us believe to be common sense. This new quote from the Vigil director is interesting because it jives with what many of us believe about the Wii U only being slightly more powerful than the PS3/360.

 

[schuelma]

The only thing 'crazy' about that thread was your embarrassing spinning and twisting of that clear statement about the hardware.



The point of contention isn't IF the Wii is more powerful than current gen, it's by how much. All those developers you quoted are saying is that's it's more powerful, something that the majority of us believe to be common sense. This new quote from the Vigil director is interesting because it jives with what many of us believe about the Wii U only being slightly more powerful than the PS3/360.

There is already one thread going strong with this argument. Why shit up another thread?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

There is already one thread going strong with this argument. Why shit up another thread?

Why didn't you ask the same question to those who brought that other thread's subject matter into here?

 

[Apophis2036]

If Wii U is 1terraflop of computing power what is the 360 and PS3.

Kotaku said the 360 was 0.25 then some sites say the PS3 is nearly two ?.

Also didnt someone say in here they had Unreal Engine 4 running on it and that takes 2.5 terraflops of power ?.

Cheers.

 

[Übermatik]

i dont think they will, since its pretty clear performance is not the selling point.

I'm not talking about spec info. I just want some games, details, whatever.

They can't possibly fit all the info they need to tell us into an hour and a half E3 show.

 

[VAPitts]

Nintendo need to start releasing some sort of information.

they don't NEED to do anything

 

[schuelma]

Why didn't you ask the same question to those who brought that other thread's subject matter into here?

That thread's subject matter has been discussed in this thread since yesterday.

 

[EDarkness]

The only thing 'crazy' about that thread was your embarrassing spinning and twisting of that clear statement about the hardware.

There was no spinning. You mean to tell me that they couldn't do ANYTHING to improve the game on the Wii U? Nothing? Come on man, that whole statement was a bunch of PR BS. They're simply porting the game to the Wii U with no adjustments in the graphics department. That statement doesn't say anything about the power one way or the other. I think it's more embarrassing that people are not jumping on their case for not even upping the textures. And to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the PC version isn't that far removed, either.

 

[bgassassin]

The point of contention isn't IF the Wii is more powerful than current gen, it's by how much. All those developers you quoted are saying is that's it's more powerful, something that the majority of us believe to be common sense. This new quote from the Vigil direction is interesting because it jives with what many of us believe about the Wii U only being slightly more powerful than the PS3/360.

I agree that "how much" is the key. But it's not really "new". The same guy was saying that last year.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-19-wii-u-has-plenty-of-horsepower-dev

"At a minimum on par, for sure," Donald said of Darksiders 2's visuals on Wii U versus Darksiders 2's visuals on PS3 and Xbox 360.

"Whether or not we can go one step further, that might be driven by what's available on the PC and whether or not that is easy to translate to the Wii U hardware, because there are most likely going to be resolution choices for the PC version of the game. We know some gamers are just going to have more horsepower at their disposal.

"It's probably going to be the same graphically, regardless of any minor or major horsepower improvements on the Wii U.

"But, in all honesty, if the Wii U turns out to be this ridiculously powerful machine, we will probably make changes to our budget and scope to take advantage of that. But that's currently not the plan. It's going to be a direct port. That's what we're planning on. But that's based off of what we believe the hardware's going to be like."

The most unfortunate thing about the situation IMO is that devs are stuck using subjective terms that people are able to interpret however they want. And while I take it differently because I've heard more than others, those that haven't heard as much do have a right to take the view that they do when they hear these things.

If Wii U is 1terraflop of computing power what is the 360 and PS3.

Kotaku said the 360 was 0.25 then some sites say the PS3 is nearly two ?.

Also didnt someone say in here they had Unreal Engine 4 running on it and that takes 2.5 terraflops of power ?.

Cheers.

You're mixing up the info. PS3 doesn't matter much in a direct comparison as the GPU is from nVidia. Also the last part refers to Samaritan. Epic hasn't given any public info on UE4 yet.

 

[pieatorium]

Wasn't Vigil one of the Devs you guys liked to qoute previously since they had positive things to say? Specifically when that arkham came in and guy gave a similar assesment as this recent one.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

That thread's subject matter has been discussed in this thread since yesterday.

And it's still being discussed today. You asked why I'm in here "shitting up the thread when there's a separate thread about it'" while others are discussing it as well, just in a different stance than me, yet none of them were questioned in the same manner. Do you not see what's wrong with that?

There was no spinning. You mean to tell me that they couldn't do ANYTHING to improve the game on the Wii U? Nothing? Come on man, that whole statement was a bunch of PR BS. They're simply porting the game to the Wii U with no adjustments in the graphics department. That statement doesn't say anything about the power one way or the other. I think it's more embarrassing that people are not jumping on their case for not even upping the textures. And to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the PC version isn't that far removed, either.

We're not talking about the textures and polygons statement, but the sentence about the hardware being on par. You keep focusing on the former for some reason.

 

[bgassassin]

Wasn't Vigil one of the Devs you guys liked to qoute previously since they had positive things to say? Specifically when that arkham came in and guy gave a similar assesment as this recent one.

That's an unfair generalization.

 

[EDarkness]

Sheesh. This whole issue is getting crazy. I think I'm done. Neither side is going to relent and all it's going to do is cause a shitstorm in a thread that doesn't need it. I really don't like where this is going.

 

[VAPitts]

The most unfortunate thing about the situation IMO is that devs are stuck using subjective terms that people are able to interpret however they want. And while I take it differently because I've heard more than others, those that haven't heard as much do have a right to take the view that they do when they hear these things.

while i don't disagree with what your saying, do u think they should misconstrue the statement as well?

 

[schuelma]

And it's still being discussed today. You asked why I'm in here "shitting up the thread when there's a separate thread about it'" while others are discussing it as well, just in a different stance than me, yet none of them were questioned in the same manner. Do you not see what's wrong with that?

Because from your posts you seem to have came into this thread looking to further the argument and not in any real reasonable manner. But keep up the good fight against Ntard optimism which must be eradicated!!!

 

[MDX]

There was no spinning. You mean to tell me that they couldn't do ANYTHING to improve the game on the Wii U? Nothing? Come on man, that whole statement was a bunch of PR BS. They're simply porting the game to the Wii U with no adjustments in the graphics department. That statement doesn't say anything about the power one way or the other.

What people seem to forget is that developers are under NDA.
They cant talk about the WiiU's power. So indeed, Vigil is not talking about
WiiU's actual power.

 

[bgassassin]

while i don't disagree with what your saying, do u think they should misconstrue the statement as well?

Since I didn't bother with the thread, you'd have to give me some examples.

 

[EDarkness]

We're not talking about the textures and polygons statement, but the sentence about the hardware being on par. You keep focusing on the former for some reason.

Because we know for a fact that the Wii U has more RAM, which means more texture memory. So if we know that the Wii U has more RAM to work with, then why the hell would they not at least update that aspect of the game to get the most out of it? Instead, he makes a silly comment about how the hardware is "on par" to dodge the question about upgrades. "On par" could mean anything, but not updating something we know for a fact can be updated says more about them in my opinion.

 

[Shadow of the BEAST]

Because from your posts you seem to have came into this thread looking to further the argument and not in any real reasonable manner. But keep up the good fight against Ntard optimism which must be eradicated!!!

what the fuck is this shit?

This is suppose to be a discussion forum. You know where people change ideas, talk about things, have different opinions on things.

 

[Apophis2036]

Thanks for answering BG.

I had planned on using Wii U for all my multiplatform games as i thought they would all run at 1080p and look more like the PC version regarding texture quality, lighting and shadow effects.

If it is indeed just a slightly more powerful 360 with multi platform games running and looking the same then i will be dissapointed but will still get one but it better be cheap as in £200 in the UK as a new 360 Slim can be bought for £150 brand new.

Will be good to see all of Nintendos IP's in HD at last however powerfull it is .

 

[Van Owen]

If it was significantly more powerful than PS3 or 360, Nintendo would release specs.

 

[schuelma]

what the fuck is this shit?

This is suppose to be a discussion forum. You know where people change ideas, talk about things, have different opinions on things.

His first post was more of a personal attack on a poster than any attempt at reasonable discussion. But knock yourself out.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Because from your posts you seem to have came into this thread looking to further the argument and not in any real reasonable manner. But keep up the good fight against Ntard optimism which must be eradicated!!!

"Not reasonable"... really? Sigh...

 

[VAPitts]

Since I didn't bother with the thread, you'd have to give me some examples.

well i'm just saying in general. i didn't thoroughly look through that thread myself but i know that if it's anything like this one (the comments made here recently) then that's what i'm referring to. i'm just asking for your opinion really.

 

[EDarkness]

what the fuck is this shit?

This is suppose to be a discussion forum. You know where people change ideas, talk about things, have different opinions on things.

There's no discussion going on here. It's just a bunch of people getting all worked up over nothing that means anything substantial. Neither side is going to convince the other of anything. Better to walk away and stay friends.

 

[pieatorium]

That's an unfair generalization.

How about this one?

Arkham, a guy confirmed by mods to work at a developer who is confirmed to have WiiU kits says not so positive things and gets shouted out of the thread because he was not personally working on the hardware.

Ideaman a former journalist who has "industry friends" practically has a fan club here because he says positive things.

 

[Übermatik]

bgassassin, keep fighting the good fight, but I'm done here for a while, until some real news materialises.

Hopefully that's this Monday, 'cos a) I couldn't stand to be without you guys too long and b) it should shut a lot of people up.

 

[VAPitts]

If it was significantly more powerful than PS3 or 360, Nintendo would release specs.

yes, because we all know that Nintendo has SOOOO much to prove

 

[bgassassin]

How about this one?

Arkham, a guy confirmed by mods to work at a developer who is confirmed to have WiiU kits says not so positive things and gets shouted out of the thread because he was not personally working on the hardware.

Ideaman a former journalist who has "industry friends" practically has a fan club here because he says positive things.

But I believe both of them.

 

[schuelma]

"Not reasonable"... really? Sigh...

I don't think starting with this:

"The only thing 'crazy' about that thread was your embarrassing spinning and twisting of that clear statement about the hardware."

Leads to reasonable discussion.

However, in an attempt to be...reasonable..I disagree with your characterization of the other thread. Starting with the OP, there are plenty of posters saying Wii=PS360, period, with no room for further interpretation. If the thread was really reasonably discussing how much more powerful Wii U will be, the thread would not have as many replies as it does.

 

[MDX]

Was this already posted?

This is coming from the newest issue of Nintendo Gamer magazine:

Wii U tablet controller can act as some form of link to the Assassin's Creed "Animus"

Wii U tablet Animus can be used as a persistent on-screen map and navigation tool.

Animus Database entries that may pop up from time to time, could be displayed on the

touchscreen instead and not interrupt the flow of the game.

The Animus can also act as an encyclopedia of information. Character biographies and bits of information that would normally be cast aside could be displayed on the touchscreen (take a break and read up on the side story & character history while eating dinner?).

Easy touchscreen weapon selection during combat. Quick change from dual-wield combat to single with a simple touch.

Using the touchscreen as an alternate view for Eagle Vision. Using the built-in accelerometer to control the camera view while in Eagle Vision.

http://www.nintengen.com/


I think Nintendo fans should stop looking to defend the system's power. Its an HD system that will play modern games. I think what they should focus more on is WiiU's unique selling point, which is the controller.

 

[Cmd. Pishad'aç]

i dont think they will, since its pretty clear performance is not the selling point.

Isn't it ?

I remember Reggie claiming Wii U will be intended for people who wants the most cut-edge tech possible on the gaming sceane.

That alone implies performance as a selling point.

Wii U and the rumoured specs of the new Xbox, put them in the same league. We're back to Gamecube days.

Or maybe not !

Only God knows.

 

[Van Owen]

yes, because we all know that Nintendo has SOOOO much to prove

When did they stop releasing specs? When they stopped putting out cutting edge hardware.

 

[Strife91]

I think Nintendo fans should stop looking to defend the system's power. Its an HD system that will play modern games. I think what they should focus more on is WiiU's unique selling point, which is the controller.

Are you Reggie?

 

[Linkhero1]

Why does it all matter anymore? We're going to get Nintendo first party games in HD and that's all that matters to us. Right guys?!?


On a serious note, I hope that in the near future third parties don't drop the Wii U because it's not on par with the next Xbox or PS4 because I was planning on just getting one console this generation.

 

[Lonely1]

When did they stop releasing specs? When they stopped putting out cutting edge hardware.

Just like Apple, right?

There's no point in releasing specs, specially if the competition are 100% assured of improving upon them. And it can be counterproductive even if you have the upper hand "Nintendo estimates 10 million Poly/sec on the Cube", "Lololol, Sony said 60 million, the cube is the weaksauce!". Plus we all know that Nintendo won't engage in an specs and tech race with Sony and MS, but it doesn't need to in order to offer a considerable jump from the 360 and Ps3.

 

[EDarkness]

If it was significantly more powerful than PS3 or 360, Nintendo would release specs.

The Nintendo of today wouldn't even if they had a beast of a machine. They've been saying they don't want to be part of the tech muscle flexing for a long time now. I doubt very seriously they'd break that stance now. Didn't they just release the bare minimum of information for the 3DS?

Just like Apple, right? There's no point in releasing specs, specially if the competition are 100% assured of improving upon them.

I was going to post something like this. Heh, I found out recently that the new iPad has 1GB of RAM. Nowhere on Apple's site does it say that. Apple only seems to provide basic specs and that seems good enough for most people.

 

[cyberheater]

How about this one?

Arkham, a guy confirmed by mods to work at a developer who is confirmed to have WiiU kits says not so positive things and gets shouted out of the thread because he was not personally working on the hardware.

Ideaman a former journalist who has "industry friends" practically has a fan club here because he says positive things.

Yep. It's a croc.

 

[VAPitts]

When did they stop releasing specs? When they stopped putting out cutting edge hardware.

true to an extent but once again, the Wii is the only console that wasn't as powerful as the others. 1 gen, ONE GEN. u want to build a conclusion off of 1 gen? and for that matter, if they say they aren't concerned about specs and all that other bull then that's how it's gonna be. Nintendo is gonna change a policy they have created for their product just for some power hungry graphic whores.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Was this already posted?


http://www.nintengen.com/


I think Nintendo fans should stop looking to defend the system's power. Its an HD system that will play modern games. I think what they should focus more on is WiiU's unique selling point, which is the controller.

nice now this deserves a new thread lots to talk about here for fans of AC

 

[Roo]

Why does it all matter anymore? We're going to get Nintendo first party games in HD and that's all that matters to us. Right guys?!?

This is why I'm so excited about Wii U
the idea of HD Nintendo titles is way too enticing to ignore.

On a serious note, I hope that in the near future third parties don't drop the Wii U because it's not on par with the next Xbox or PS4 because I was planning on just getting one console this generation.

Same here
I'm still planning on buying one console (Wii U) because somehow I still have faith in Nintendo making the console as powerful as possible
but I'm not gonna be left in the dust again and if the only way to avoid that situation is buying a Sony or Microsoft console, then I'll do it.

 

[Van Owen]

Just like Apple, right?

There's no point in releasing specs, specially if the competition are 100% assured of improving upon them. And it can be counterproductive even if you have the upper hand "Nintendo estimates 10 million Poly/sec on the Cube", "Lololol, Sony said 60 million, the cube is the weaksauce!". Plus we all know that Nintendo won't engage in an specs and tech race with Sony and MS, but it doesn't need to in order to offer a considerable jump from the 360 and Ps3.

Apple didn't spend time talking about dual core cpus, quad core graphics, and resolutions?