Chris Evans Sets Marvel Return in ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ | Exclusive
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I don't think moving RDJ and Evans on was a bad idea, RDJ in particular was BRUTALLY expensive at that point.
But they just fucked the casting of "the new wave" with a bunch of low charisma actors, picked characters to focus on that don't resonate with the audience, and in general totally forgot what made phases 1-3 such a fun experience in the first place.
The objections I saw started off strong, but not due to them being gay. Partly because it was women led and partly claimed character no one wanted to see with unfounded criticism of poor show quality.
It might've been the higher quality of writing that undermined the attempt. As
DeafTourette
pointed out. But the entire production was higher quality and did a lot of research on the subject of witchcraft and occultism that was recognizable to those familiar with the subjects.
The theater stars brought in a lot of non-Marvel fans too.
Miyazaki’s Slave
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Johnny Storm I hope. Parody becomes reality, etc. etc.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Man, just kill Marvel with fire already. How in the hell are people still interested in these movies? They're really bringing back Legacy actors and/or characters from the original phase? This reeks of desperation.
All I want is a good Spawn video game with Keith David.
All I want is a good Spawn video game with Keith David.
I've mentioned my enjoyment a few times around here. Posted versions of the Ballad as they released. Credited the composers with hitting the mark for a witch sounding song. They must've heard Libana.
There was Deadpool and Wolverine which isn't apologetic about sterotypical guy stuff. "It's ok. I identify as a feminist"
I dunno, DP3 capitalized mostly on the Fox x-men stuff, I don't think it is particularly reflective of the MCU at the moment, GotG3 is a similarly divergent offshoot.
But we'll see in a few months if the additional Cap4 reshoots give them a quality film. Is there an audience for the Thunderbolts? It's not hard to get back on track, they know what they need to do and more importantly, what NOT to do.
bitbydeath
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Thunderbolts looked fun at least.
Zero interest in Cap4.
StreetsofBeige
Member
So if this movie also has Iron Man making an appearance, who plays Iron Man?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I hate to tell you this but he already came back as Johnny Storm this past summer.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Yes...hence the "parody become reality" comment.
SidViscous
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The problem with the whole phased cinematic universe is that for a capitalist company like Disney, it only works once. Each movie built up to the next movie, and the budgets increased in proportion to the hype and box office receipts. But after Infinity War raked in 2 billion and gave a pretty definite end to those characters, what the fuck do you do when your whole business model requires you to show constant year-on-year growth.
You can't really go back to "setting things up" for a few films because the audience is already done with that, and no amount of marketing can make a B-tier character like Falcon as popular and sell as many tickets Steve Rogers. So what they seem to be trying to do now is just churning out end-phase movies using the multiverse as a plot device to skip the need to set things up or build new characters, just remake Infinity War, but shuffle some of the characters around, Iron Man is now the villain!
I get the logic, they can put popular characters on posters again, they can do big high-stakes fights with good villains, and they don't have to make 5-6 flop movies setting it all up. But I think those movies only worked because the viewers were already so invested, my bet would be on these movies just making an even bigger loss due to the budgets.
We shall see
You can't really go back to "setting things up" for a few films because the audience is already done with that, and no amount of marketing can make a B-tier character like Falcon as popular and sell as many tickets Steve Rogers. So what they seem to be trying to do now is just churning out end-phase movies using the multiverse as a plot device to skip the need to set things up or build new characters, just remake Infinity War, but shuffle some of the characters around, Iron Man is now the villain!
I get the logic, they can put popular characters on posters again, they can do big high-stakes fights with good villains, and they don't have to make 5-6 flop movies setting it all up. But I think those movies only worked because the viewers were already so invested, my bet would be on these movies just making an even bigger loss due to the budgets.
We shall see
Doom85
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They confirmed he is specifically playing Victor von Doom, and Doctor Doom is not "some villain", that's like calling Joker, Lex Luthor, or Magneto "some villain".
The Russo Bros have said they know how important the character of Dr. Doom is and they're going to make sure they do it right.
Also, RDJ wanted the role since the 2000's when they were auditioning for the 2005 FF film. They didn't pull this out of nowhere.
Him being RDJ, yes obviously they want the name recognition, but he's not playing a Tony variant. If at most they make his scarred appearance not extreme enough that some of the Avengers can recognize the similarity if he's unmasked at some point, okay, but I highly doubt it'll go further than that. Dr. Doom is a big enough character to make RDJ playing him a big deal, this isn't RDJ playing Mole Man or some shit (no offense to Mole Man or his fans).
EIghty
Million
Dollars!
What possible villain role could be worth that? Even if it's spread out over 3-4 films that's just INSANE. The ONLY reason for that kinda payout is because the PAYOFF is him having a connection to Tony Stark that becomes a redemptive arc and turns into him spearheading the team against another villain.
We'll find out in 3-6 years i guess.
FunkMiller
Banned
And so, the endless factory line of shit goes on, and the endless shilling goes on with it. Anyone with any objectivity can see just how creatively fucking bankrupt this entire enterprise has become. Same goes for DC and it's 'let's have another fucking Batman!' bullshit.
This genre needs to die back to a manageable, much smaller level... and when these Avengers movies still don't do the same business as they did before - even when they do bring back the popular actors - maybe then things will change.
This genre needs to die back to a manageable, much smaller level... and when these Avengers movies still don't do the same business as they did before - even when they do bring back the popular actors - maybe then things will change.
FunkMiller
Banned
There will be multiple Downey Jnrs. That's how this multiverse trash operates.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
And this is why Warhammer 40,000 is getting people's attention. They are absolutely sick and fucking tired of Star Wars or Marvel and all the other bullshit that's being ruined.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
That's unfortunately gonna to attract the tourists
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Thank you!
Also the Multiverse saga is leading into a full unified universe where everyone is included: mutants, Inhumans and everyone else. Now that they have all the rights back, they can really tell other stories ...
Endgame was just one book ending. Not Marvel ending. They should have not introduced new characters in the shows and not in the movies ... Like Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight and Kate Bishop... Should have made movies surrounding them AND made the overall story (Multiverse and the villain) front and center AND should have had Avengers movies or team up movies close out phases 4 and 5 ... Like they did last time. They also rushed too much on too many projects. I personally loved Shang-Chi and The Marvels ... But because adult Monica and Kamala were both introduced on TV and not the movies, audiences didn't know who they were and why they should care about them. And it was a 2 year gap from WandaVision to The Marvels ... Not to mention they really didn't try to connect The Eternals to the larger MCU with a cameo or end credits scenes with a reaction to seeing a Celestial in the sky! All they had to do so was so what they did in the first 2 phases ... Yes, introduce new characters but do it in the movies and connect everything!
Marvel took too long with connecting characters and story threads, something they did MUCH faster in phase 1 thanks to Coulson and the end credits scenes.
bitbydeath
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Doom85
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Dwayne Johnson got paid $50 million for a shitty looking Christmas movie no one asked for. RDJ getting 80 million combined for at least three film appearances, two of them being Avengers films, I'm not saying that amount is reasonable but I don't think that "proves" they're going all in with some massive connection to Tony.
The movie is called Avengers Doomsday. As in: Doctor DOOM. The next movie is Secret Wars, based off a 2015 comic with Dr. Doom as the main antagonist. He's playing a massive role in these films. The Fantastic Four, his most connected enemies, are having a movie right before Avengers Doomsday, and then will appear in these Avengers films. You're kidding yourself if you think this is all a smokescreen to just make it all about Tony Stark again.
The Russo Bros made it clear they respect Dr. Doom as a character. They're not going to just massively rewrite Victor von Doom to just make him Tony Stark again. The two characters' backstories are massively different and are not compatible at all.
And again, even if certain Avengers see his face and it's not scarred enough to see the similarity, why in the hell would that lead to redemption? Why the fuck would Victor care that some dude from another universe that he's never met looks like him? What exactly about that "revelation" would make him go, "ah yes, my dead mother and my attempts to retrieve her soul, my misguided hatred of Reed, my desire to rule everything as I have proven to be a skilled ruler of my own country, etc., I'll just drop all that because some rando, from my perspective, looks like me!"
Also, Avengers Secret Wars is due for 2027, so I don't know why you're saying 3-6 years. They've also confirmed Downey will only be playing Doom in these films, Secret Wars will be his last one, but the character of Dr. Doom will still return in films past that due to the whole variant element and such.
Badlucktroll
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Tertullian
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Sir, this is a comic book movie. Nobody will ever be permanently killed.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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First Robert, now Chris.
Chris Evans Sets Marvel Return in 'Avengers: Doomsday' | Exclusive
Chris Evans is coming back to the MCU and is set to return for "Avengers: Doomsday" opposite Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom.www.thewrap.com
Chris Evans' roaring guts.
He didn't get his bonus Christmas
Reizo Ryuu
Member
No role in general is worth that, actors are vastly overpaid etc.
That being said, put some respect on doom's name, he's pretty much been the single biggest threat to the entire marvel universe, forever.
Like I said, we'll see. I just can't see the worth of RDJ in the role if you are not gonna get "Tony Stark RDJ". The guy is a good actor but there are LEGIONS of guys who could do Doom, especially if it's Doom covered in CG armor using a voice modulator or whatever. RDJ is there for his face, the quirky style he's adopted recently, and a plot beat where the Tony connection is relevant. It's not like RDJ is a physically imposing guy either, is Dr. Doom gonna be shorter than all the women? Is a Napoleon complex gonna be his defining insecurity?
No point really debating it until it's all done. Marvel will say whatever they want to say.
Revolutionary
Member
Remember that super smart black girl that can build anything from Black Panther 2? No not that one, the other one. Yeah, that's MCU's current Iron Man replacement.
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Jinzo Prime
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Riri Williams aka Iron Heart. Will be a Disney plus show.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I hate that costume! Hated that storyline!
Edit: the only good part was when REAL Steve came back and MOLLYWHOPPED Hydra Steve
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Doom85
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Secret Empire as a concept had potential, but it was executed very poorly:
-it sets up Tony to be the hero to fill Steve's shoes, but he fails. Then they set up Sam, and he contributes but doesn't take the main role in the final fight either. No, it's the real Steve Rogers, despite being trapped in timey-wimey stuff most of the story, and he fights Stevil alone despite there being no need to, seriously, when another character says, "this is something Steve has to do on his own", I'm like, why, the comic made it abundantly clear that Stevil is NOT our Steve Rogers, so our Steve has nothing to prove to anyone
-HYDRA are flat out Nazis and fascists, and yet the comic tries to inject some inappropriate use of grey morality by claiming, "well, since HYDRA took over the U.S., test scores have improved and such!" I thought this was going to be revealed as false information being given to Stevil by the other HYDRA leaders to maintain his loyalty, but no, the comic grossly tries to make it seem like HYDRA being in charge did lead to a few positive outcomes amongst the negative outcomes. Oh, and the comic company gave out HYDRA gear to comic book store owners to wear to promote the first issue, to symbolize HYDRA taking over. Yeeeeaaaaah, no decent person wants a group linked with Nazis to be displayed in anything but a negative light, so this was insanely tone deaf.
-Tony acts like the heroes had this coming, given all their recent inner fights they've had (Civil War 1 and 2, Avengers vs. X-men). While it's good he acknowledges that as heroes they need to be better and find better ways to resolve inner conflicts, it's ridiculous to act like what is happening is connected to that much. No, they could not have predicted the insane way Stevil replaced the real Steve, and HYDRA's plan to take over was very planned out and would have likely succeeded regardless of there being recent hero vs. hero conflicts. Like, good job Tony owning up to your all's recent shortcomings, but how about we put that on the side for now and instead focus for now on defeating the fascists who took over who are the obviously real ones to blame for the current awful predicament.
-in this story trying to be quite serious, a key player is a new character called Barf. Or Puke, it was one or the other. What the hell?
Like, keep Stevil and HYDRA's initial take over, it is quite well written in the strategy. Drop any moral ambiguity with HYDRA, they're fascists, and any "positive" reports are false reports designed to deceive the general public. Have Tony and Sam work together to find out what happened to the real Steve and they're the ones who find him and bring him back. Have Stevil get powered up by the Cosmic Cube but as all the heroes unite, the other HYDRA soldiers lose faith and quickly scatter. Stevil turns to his allies and realizes he is alone and as he turns to face the heroes, we get a two-page spread of all the Marvel heroes united on one side while Stevil stands alone. Thus delivering a message purely through the visual: fascism is the tool of the selfish and cowardly (thus their abandonment of Stevil once they realize they will likely lose now), while true heroes stand together. Stevil's powers make him formidable but he is ultimately defeated by the heroes' combined might, with Steve, Sam, and Tony delivering the final blow.
Still, I guess the Secret Empire comic as it was was still not as awful as the prior event, Civil War 2 AKA let's have Iron Man and Captain Marvel compete to who can be the bigger asshole by each focusing on only the two opposing extremes of using an Inhuman's power when a very obvious non-extreme approach to using said power was always on the table. Like, I really find so many of Marvel's event storylines frustrating, whereas most of DC's event stories are more forgettable as opposed to infuriating. I'm hoping when I get around to reading it that Marvel's Blood Hunt event is good: Blade is possessed by something and is leading an army of vampires on a conquest so extreme that even Dracula is siding with the heroes to stop it. That's pretty cool and a simple but fun premise, so hopefully I like the execution.
bitbydeath
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'Avengers: Doomsday': Hayley Atwell Reprising Agent Carter Role In Marvel Studios Pic
‘Avengers: Doomsday’: Hayley Atwell Reprising Agent Carter Role In Marvel Studios Pic
Hayley Atwell To Reprise Agent Carter character in Marvel's 'Avengers: Doomsday'
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More Hayley Atwell is NEVER a bad thing. Wonder if she's gonna bring over Tom Cruise as an alt-Tony Stark.'Avengers: Doomsday': Hayley Atwell Reprising Agent Carter Role In Marvel Studios Pic
‘Avengers: Doomsday’: Hayley Atwell Reprising Agent Carter Role In Marvel Studios Pic
Hayley Atwell To Reprise Agent Carter character in Marvel's 'Avengers: Doomsday'
DeafTourette
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Those eyes, that smile... Those boobs, body and booty!
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They tried that for Multiverse of Madness to have him as Superior Iron Man on the Illuminati. Tom Cruise was producing and starring in an Iron Man movie in 1998 that never happened and Feige really wanted him in the multiverse to reference that. They were filming that movie in London during COVID, so Tom Cruise couldn't do it. The Superior Iron Man part was then replaced with Daniel Craig as Balder the Brave, but his stuff was cut.
sankt-Antonio
Banned
Evens was high on his own farts thinking he could have a successful career outside of Marvel.
I don't even think Disney had to shower him with money, dude needs attention again as every film since he left Marvel was a flop.
I don't even think Disney had to shower him with money, dude needs attention again as every film since he left Marvel was a flop.
Doom85
Member
Knives Out made over 300 million on a 40 million budget.
Beyond that, I think he's only been a major role in one full theatrical film post-Endgame: Red One. Everything else has either been small roles/cameos or streaming films with a limited theatrical release so hard to gauge how successful those were.
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He was just in a Marvel movie that made $1.3 billion this year.
And he had the funniest scene in the whole movie.
Also post Endgame and COVID:
Spider-Man: No Way Home - $1.9 billion
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - $955M
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - $859M
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 - $845M
Deadpool & Wolverine - $1.3 billion
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Doom85
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He was just in a Marvel movie that made $1.3 billion this year.
And he had the funniest scene in the whole movie.
Also post Endgame and COVID:
Spider-Man: No Way Home - $1.9 billion
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - $955M
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - $859M
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 - $845M
Deadpool & Wolverine - $1.3 billion
I think based on their post, sankt was claiming every non-Marvel film Chris Evans had starred in post-Endgame had flopped, which I addressed in my post.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Just watch anime instead. God damn.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Captain America is now a nazi, chuds.
Jinzo Prime
Member
There's no way they would adapt that storyline it was hated by everyone. Unless they are that crazt, which I don't think they are.
He's Nomad.
Ulysses 31
Member
Don't be so sure, MCU skipped over a decade worth of great stories to rush to the "all new, all different" comics era that pushed flops like Ms. Marvel and Riri Williams.
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