It was so surprising seeing his inner child come out in this movie.
RIP Coulson.
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He dead, dawg. The cards were a ruse, not Coulson's death.
You misinterpreted. Coulson is dead. The cards were in his locker, but Fury lied to Cap about finding them on his body to manipulate him and the rest of the Avengers into action.
He's dead though.
The Avengers really did have great 3D, and so did the Amazing Spider-Man trailer.
However, one problem I see Spider-Man having that The Avangers didn't was strobing. Every time Spiderman swings from one place to another, he gets very choppy and looks really bad.
FrenchMovieTheme
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never change neogaf!
Hot Coldman
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bullshit, Coulson is Mar-Vell and Iron Fist and Wonder Man (and therefore Vision)
I think you're imagining things.
brochiller
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His line didn't specifically say that his death was a ruse. That may be the case, but it may have also meant that he did actually die and he just got the cards from his locker and told them that they were in Coulson's pockets as a motivational push.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The question I had is where did the blood come from? Did Fury just rub the cards on his corpse? I know it's minor/morbid, but it does add to the type of person Fury is.
Fury probably had Coulson's blood on his hands (he was there when he died, after all) and smudged it on the cards.
most likely. master manipulator.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The thing is Coulson didn't seem to have a lot of blood when he died or Fury on him. It would be really dark if it was just some random corpses blood or even one of the attacking forces.
Wonder if there is a deleted scene showing it (scripted at least, before the reveal in the current film)?
RIP Coulson.
Awesome awkward first convo.
brochiller
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What about when he's talking about watching Captain America? I just took that to mean he's a geeky patriot.
It really speaks wonders for this movie when people can't accept that a small supporting character died.
The guys behind this movie managed to make a random agent that did very small cameos in other movies into: 1) a developed character that everyone loved, 2)were shocked at his death, 3) and all of it done in only about one hour and a handful of scenes where he isn't even in the focus of the plot.
They built him up in the background so well that when his death came it really worked, despite not knowing that you were secretly being set up for it.
The guys behind this movie managed to make a random agent that did very small cameos in other movies into: 1) a developed character that everyone loved, 2)were shocked at his death, 3) and all of it done in only about one hour and a handful of scenes where he isn't even in the focus of the plot.
They built him up in the background so well that when his death came it really worked, despite not knowing that you were secretly being set up for it.
Scapegoat
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I simply took it to mean that he took the cards out of his locker to inspire Cap and therefore the rest maybe cause the Cap is that vain that dude dying isn't enough, but if he died with some Cap cards NOW IT'S OOON.
I just got the impression that Fury used Coulson's death, and his cards, as a motivating force for the others. It seemed pretty clear to me that he died. They never brought him up again.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I think that's not totally fair as he's had a lot of screentime in other movies compared to anyone but Iron Man himself. I don't think anyone viewed him as random at the start of the movie.
The Anti-Monitor
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Someone on this thread did haha
You know, after someone mentioned it, I forgot to check on my third go, but yesterday I could've sworn the agent Maria Hill gives some papers to at the end of the movie looked a lot like Coulson.
I was disappointed and I had low expectations :|
Movie was solid, but it just felt really bad for the first 90 mins. Like uninteresting plot, weak dialogue, average performances outside Ruffalo who was outstanding and Hemsworth who is good. The last 40 mins or so saved the film by nailing that great comic book feel, but it just felt like so much of the movie was wasted on comic book nerd stuff like WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT BETWEEN X and Y so let's have them brawl!
And the script was just so cheesy and lame, which is weird because I'm a Whedon fan and most of the stuff he writes is fucking awesome with tons of wit and creativity.
For instance:
Thought it was better than Iron Man 2 and Captain America (thanks to the last 40 mins of Avengers being great), on par with Thor and not as good as Iron Man 1.
I thought Cabin in the Woods was a hell of a lot better Whedon film :|
Really wanted to love this. Who better to do an ensemble cast movie than the man who made the best ensemble tv show ever with Firefly and did good work with Buffy/Dollhouse. But I almost couldn't feel anything Whedon in The Avengers. If I didn't know he wrote/directed it, I would never have guessed just from watching it. Seemed so standard fare, and lacked the cleverness I expect of Whedon.
Movie was solid, but it just felt really bad for the first 90 mins. Like uninteresting plot, weak dialogue, average performances outside Ruffalo who was outstanding and Hemsworth who is good. The last 40 mins or so saved the film by nailing that great comic book feel, but it just felt like so much of the movie was wasted on comic book nerd stuff like WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT BETWEEN X and Y so let's have them brawl!
And the script was just so cheesy and lame, which is weird because I'm a Whedon fan and most of the stuff he writes is fucking awesome with tons of wit and creativity.
For instance:
Agent guy dies in silly death scene, basically says while dying "someone needs to die or they won't have anyone to avenge!", then suddenly everyone is CHANGED and COMES TOGETHER by death of AGENT MAN who was like a joke character in all of the films. This is honestly like Metal Gear Solid 4 where Johnny the joke character pissing himself in every game becomes MONUMENTAL STORY POINT. It's hilariously awkward and trope-ish. So much of the film's script reads like a parody of superhero films, but if he was going for self-awareness like Cabin in the Woods, it got lost in the transition.
Thought it was better than Iron Man 2 and Captain America (thanks to the last 40 mins of Avengers being great), on par with Thor and not as good as Iron Man 1.
I thought Cabin in the Woods was a hell of a lot better Whedon film :|
Really wanted to love this. Who better to do an ensemble cast movie than the man who made the best ensemble tv show ever with Firefly and did good work with Buffy/Dollhouse. But I almost couldn't feel anything Whedon in The Avengers. If I didn't know he wrote/directed it, I would never have guessed just from watching it. Seemed so standard fare, and lacked the cleverness I expect of Whedon.
Speedymanic
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It was implied he had it under control. The incident on the carrier was the hulk taking over fir survival reasons. Loki manipulation, trapped in the sky, etc.
I didn't get it either, but apparently its a comics thing. According to this thread:
- when Hulk comes out unwillingly: pure, uncontrolled rage in any and every direction, against friend or foe
- when Hulk comes out willingly: pure rage but under some kind of primal sense of friend and foe
I might be taking it too far, but it wasn't just about the CA admiration. The whole "was he married" line and answer too... as well as being BFF's with Potts all of a sudden...
During that scene, I was thinking to myself, "Man, if he ejects Hulk would never let him get away." All the while thinking they more than likely would let him escape without Hulk noticing, so I was happy when he grabbed and tossed him like that.
Er... I don't really think this was the case. I'm pretty sure this was more to establish that she was emotionally traumatized by him. They even establish that when they meet for the first time -- she hasn't even personally experienced his transformation yet, but she's on the verge of tears at the mere potential of his transformation. When she finally gets hunted by him, it's only amplified.
I'm 100 percent those scenes are NOT romance, and just to show that their friendship remains solid because her being scared was not about Banner acting intentionally and that she wants him to realize that. This is also supported by her saying "I've seen worse, but we could use worse right now." (her trusting in his ability to control Hulk)
The only thing remotely close to a relationship with BW is Hawkeye, but even then, she addresses it with "Love is for children." They did everything they could to not play up her sexuality or link her to anyone, and that's the way it should be.
The only real relationship angle that was covered was IM and PP.
Aside from all that, this thing about Ant-Man: I don't know anything about him, but from what I've read in this thread, it sounds like a ridiculous inclusion that would be just horrible to put in a live-action movie. What's so special about him?
I usually hate 3d. Went to a regular showing 45 min early today and was already sold out. Waited 45 more minutes for the 3d. It was actually ok. Not much blurriness. I wouldn't go see 3d on purpose but I was pleasantly surprised.
The movie was freaking amazing. Finally the hulk done right.
The movie was freaking amazing. Finally the hulk done right.
Saw it today and loved it. The Hulk/Loki scene was great!
I think it was because on the carrier he changed without necessarily wanting to. Also it seemed the scepter was having some kind of effect since they focused on it when they were all arguing.
I think it was because on the carrier he changed without necessarily wanting to. Also it seemed the scepter was having some kind of effect since they focused on it when they were all arguing.
As it should be. Leave that stuff for the individual movies. The sheer fact that the Avengers are being assembled should mean there is a world-threatening baddie on the loose. No time for romance under those circumstances!
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Already explained but, Bruce secretly has control over the Hulk, but when it happens on the Helicarrier it was reactionary and uncontrolled.
Oh, that's a good point. Remember when he's holding it by the end of his speech at the tail end, before Loki's forces attack? Hm...maybe he can usually control it, and he control Hulk when he engages him, but this time he was pushed by the staff and other external forces.
Hot Coldman
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He was tapping the tiny little arc reactor in Stark's chest.
ViewtifulJC
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Ok that actually makes sense, because in The Incredible Hulk the ending implied that he was getting a handle on his hulking out. A few lines of dialogue may have helped here to explain it a bit better. Still, best superhero movie ever.
Electromagnet in his chest stopping shrapnel from entering his heart.
VisionaryQuest0
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You didn't hear the metallic "tink" sound everytime Loki went for his heart?
Re: adding to the roster for Avengers 2...
She-Hulk: Sorry, but the public just isn't familiar with her, and so she'd just come off as a female hulk, which is too bad. Also, you don't need another brutal fighter on the team.
Ant-Man: The power might work well, team-wise, but Pym would be the third scientist in the group, causing a bit of redundancy, now that they've already shown Banner and Stark working together in a lab.
Wasp: Can't be done without Ant-Man, so that sort of doesn't work
Ms. Marvel: Now this one might work, just play up her absorb energy/shoot energy powers, and her military background, and she brings something more unique to the team
Black Panther: The character would work, no doubt, but Wakanda might be tricky to do correctly. Also, the name will be a difficult sell to the public.
She-Hulk: Sorry, but the public just isn't familiar with her, and so she'd just come off as a female hulk, which is too bad. Also, you don't need another brutal fighter on the team.
Ant-Man: The power might work well, team-wise, but Pym would be the third scientist in the group, causing a bit of redundancy, now that they've already shown Banner and Stark working together in a lab.
Wasp: Can't be done without Ant-Man, so that sort of doesn't work
Ms. Marvel: Now this one might work, just play up her absorb energy/shoot energy powers, and her military background, and she brings something more unique to the team
Black Panther: The character would work, no doubt, but Wakanda might be tricky to do correctly. Also, the name will be a difficult sell to the public.
For Ms. Marvel, as per your other points, aside from abilities, wouldn't she just be Captain America 2?
PhoncipleBone
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Pym is a necessity in some form in the Avengers movies if they continue. Too much history on the team, and you need his involvement on some level to bring in Ultron, and fan favorite character Vision.
Scapegoat
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But why does his mind control device not work cause he has some metal there? Why does it need to be the heart? Surely it should be the head/brain cause that's how the control was broken with Hawkeye.
Oh the scepter has to touch the heart to work? Or could he have just tapped somewhere else and had it work
TacticalFox88
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For those who missed it. The reason that Hulk decided to become friends with the Avengers was because on the carrier he was under the influence of Loki. Which is why they showed Banner holding his staff. When he fell and changed back, Loki's influence wore off and Banner came back to the city, showing that he has full control of Hulk like it was implied in the 08 film. He didn't turn into Hulk on the carrier because he lost control, he turned into Hulk because Loki forced it to come out under his control.
Hope that clears it up.
Hope that clears it up.
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