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Really? I didnt get that from the film at all.
  • Ellie dreams about his father, a role model for god.
  • Constant hints at the cross pendant.
  • Who created them?
  • Where is my cross?
  • David taking the cross during quarantine as a method to weaken faith.
  • Various dialog regarding faith.
  • Are you ready to take that thing off now?

Yeah, I hated all of that.
 
Not necessarily. Who's to say that it wasn't the creation of all complex life on earth? I would say there was likely some flora and fauna on the planet beforehand though, but it is very possible more than humans were created.



Really? I didnt get that from the film at all.

They were a side effect of that but the point of that segment, and how human they looked, and the fact that the dna was a 100% match and not a 96% or whatever like humans have with others, is that all life derives from the space jockeys. It would then be implied that everything else is just a failed derivative, or unintentional byproduct.
 
I felt there was more of a pro-christian agenda to the narrative. Which I loathed.
You could look at it that way.

But when a decapitated robot accuses you of being delusional and holding your beliefs on no rational basis, you tend to look at it the other way.
 
Pretty meh about the experience. Just came back.


Just seems like it could have been a lot better. Terrific idea and I just came away feeling that it could have been executed so much better.
 
I don't agree that the depiction of Christian faith is inherently an endorsement of it.

A character may think something differently than the writer.

Besides, I'll wager that Space Jesus does not make an appearance in the sequel.
 
They were a side effect of that but the point of that segment, and how human they looked, and the fact that the dna was a 100% match and not a 96% or whatever like humans have with others, is that all life derives from the space jockeys. It would then be implied that everything else is just a failed derivative, or unintentional byproduct.
Darwin is spinning in his grave.
And again, if the idea was to create a new lifeform that's a "100% match DNA-wise" (whatever that's supposed to mean), wouldn't simply cloning be a smarter option?


But when a decapitated robot accuses you of being delusional and holding your beliefs on no rational basis, you tend to look at it the other way.
But said robot is an asshole, and the believer ended up being the only survivor and took her cross back.
 
Darwin is spinning in his grave.
And again, if the idea was to create a new lifeform that's a "100% match DNA-wise" (whatever that's supposed to mean), wouldn't simply cloning be an idea?

They said about as much in the movie, you know. Buuut that's what the movie showed.

I blame the lost writers not being able to write themselves out of a wet paper bag.

Like for example:

One other dumb thing I just realized about the geologist and biologist duo:

How the fuck do they get lost on the way back to the ship? The geologist guy is the one who sets up the flying red things that perfectly map the whole area and he's got a fucking PDA thing on his forearm that shows him the map?
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More so, who the fuck took the big apc looking vehicle back? Only 6 went out. -2 Engineers = 4. 2 per ATV x 2 ATV's = 4. Math is hard I guess for the writing staff?
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Another thing is the plot holes - similar to what a lot of you said, why does no one give a fuck, much less mention the fact that Rapace / Shaw just had a 1st trimester abortion of that squid, after they were trying to restrain her? How the fuck does no one involved in the production think that is weird? How the fuck did that get past the numerous script re-writes? What the fuck? One moment, Shaw is being forcefully taken to cryo-stasis for the journey home, the next she's beating the shit out of everyone, getting an abortion, and then 5 minutes later no one gives a flying shit about it, not even David.
 
Humans were created as the test subject (or the delivery system) for this weapon.

The parenthetical has been my guess for a while and I am not ruling it out yet.
 
They should've showed the DNA things overlapping but not being 1:1.

As in, we were a piece of them, not the entirety of them. That would be more digestible.
 
They should've showed the DNA things overlapping but not being 1:1.

As in, we were a piece of them, not the entirety of them. That would be more digestible.
That would have also tied more into the prologue scene - the DNA breaking down, but not completely.

Regarding the Christian agenda: I despise all organized religions. I think GAF knows this by now. And this movie definitely crams it down your throat.
 
Besides, I'll wager that Space Jesus does not make an appearance in the sequel.
Damon Lindelof said:
when they do the carbon gating on the dead engineer and realise he has been dead for 2000 years then you wonder about when, 2000 years ago, the Engineers decided to wipe us out. What happened 2000 years ago? Is there any correlation with what happened on the earth 2000 years ago and this decision that was already in motion? Could a sequel start in that time period and contextualize what we did to piss these beings off?
(emphasis mine)
Hopefully, there won't be a sequel...


They said about as much in the movie, you know. Buuut that's what the movie showed.
I know, just saying it's poorly thought-out...
 
This movie has a religious agenda now? Come on, you lunatics. You're just looking for something to complain about now.

Showing a character of faith doesn't mean the film is projecting that message.
 
I did like how they depicted the old man and the two scientists. Sometimes people really want to prolong death.


In regards to the couple, some people really obsess over answers. Even when things get shaky, some people still peruse, just to find out why they are being handled the way that they are. I personally don't get it and could careless but it was still nice to see such relastic personalities depicted on the big screen. I thought girl at the end was going to the planet to get some payback. But she just wants to know why she isn't liked lol. Thats a lot of effort for someone who wanted to exterminate you.
 
Pro-Christian agenda? I guess if so, if you believe God is a giant bodybuilder who'll tear your head off in a fit of a pique.

Religious themes are normal in scifi but it doesn't mean it's an endorsement. In this case it was more of a question of humanity's unrelenting need to find answers to these certain questions.
 
  • Ellie dreams about his father, a role model for god.
  • Constant hints at the cross pendant.
  • Who created them?
  • Where is my cross?
  • David taking the cross during quarantine as a method to weaken faith.
  • Various dialog regarding faith.
  • Are you ready to take that thing off now?

Yeah, I hated all of that.

When on a mission centered around discovering humanity's origin story why wouldn't religion(other origin stories) not come up?

Clearly much of the story could be looked at as a metaphor: We were created in our creators image, the Engineer at the beginning literally sacrificed himself for us, we ascended to meet our makers and ultimately discovered damnation. Still, I wouldn't say the film had a "Christian agenda". Those metaphors aren't necessarily unique to Christianity. Much of Christianity isn't unique to Christianity. Nothing in Genesis happened, nothing biblical actually happened. Many myths, or so it's said, are based in fact, and in the Prometheus Universe that's obviously the case for many of the world's religions. Christianity and the events of Prometheus are very much mutually exclusive.
 
I'm really simply amazed at everything this movie did. There was so much there that me and my friends spent the whole ride home dissecting it!

Some of us came out wondering if there was some kind of cycle occurring, life creating life creating life. An interesting proposition that pokes fun at the notion of a god. God created us, but what created god?

What really impressed though, was that all the questions you guys are asking, could be logically answered based on what we've seen in the movie, without things being spelled out. That we're able to sit here, analyze the evidence and come up with theories that generally point in the same direction just goes to show how well crafted a movie this was.

People giving the movie serious knocks for small points in the plot that could have been done better are paying to much attention to things that ultimately don't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of the film.

Things of note:
-Engineers seed life, seemingly on purpose.
-Engineer fluid reacts to different life forms differently. It reacts to the worms differently than it reacts to the Engineers, and the humans and even sperm.
-Lets note that sperm don't exactly have the same genetic stuff as a full human.
-The implication that the xenomorph started out as a sperm retroactively makes Alien that much better! It strengthens all the sexual themes and implications of rape throughout the entire series!
-The 'tentacle thing' at the end was the first face hugger. That much is pretty obvious, especially considering what follows.
-While this wasn't the same planet as in Alien, we can conclude that a similar thing occurred. Th Engineers being of the same, or mostly the same, DNA can be presumed to generate the same kind of alien when mixing with the fluid in odd ways. Thus causing xenomorphs to come about despite the difference in location.
-That the aliens were not the original weapon, as presumed by many, is a great twist on things.
-The Engineers are spreading life for some reason, and that reason seems to be hinted at. They are clearly seeking to create weapons for war. The fluid is clearly a weapon of war. How do they make the fluid? And in such large amounts as they had? My friends and I came to the conclusion that they seed life to break it down into the fluid. Life is, for the Engineers, a thing to be harvested at a certain point, and not allowed to rival them. They're trying to eliminate whatever is threatening them, not seed more creatures that could possibly threaten them. Hence their wanting to go to earth and break down life. Answering the invitation was the cue to go harvest them.
-The thing this implies is that the Engineers are fighting something. THAT is the only thing that can't really be answered based on the movie alone. They could be fighting themselves, or something we don't even know about yet. You gotta be making weapons to use against something after all.

Other notes:
-Weyland puts special emphasis on David being like a son, and overlooks his daughter a whole lot. That's an interesting and subtle thing I didn't realize till after the movie.
-The scene where they awaken the Engineer is great. They all yell at him to ask their question. Then you don't get to know what he asks him, which in and of itself builds on David's character, and the ramification of the question is the head getting ripped off. What seems to have happened is the Engineer realized that, in keeping with the above, it was harvest time. Something along the lines of 'how beautiful what we have created, time to get rid of it'.
-The end is a fantastic setup. Head of super smart robot and Noomi Rapace flying through space trying to find the root of all things. If they made a sequel based on that premise, it would be a true space odyssey. Amazing potential.

And then this doesn't even get into what the murals in the one room meant, and what that translucent green thing was. We had no idea and have resolved to go see the movie again to try and figure it out.

But ya, the concern going into this was 'they're going to ruin the Jockey mystery by not answering the mystery in a good manner'. They answered the Jockey mystery amazingly, and have purposely replaced that riddle with a new, and equal, one. That is an astounding achievement.
 
When on a mission centered around discovering humanity's origin story why wouldn't religion(other origin stories) not come up?

Clearly much of the story could be looked at as a metaphor: We were created in our creators image, the Engineer at the beginning literally sacrificed himself for us, we ascended to meet our makers and ultimately discovered damnation. Still, I wouldn't say the film had a "Christian agenda". Those metaphors aren't necessarily unique to Christianity. Much of Christianity isn't unique to Christianity. Nothing in Genesis happened, nothing biblical actually happened. Many myths, or so it's said, are based in fact, and in the Prometheus Universe that's obviously the case for several of the world's religions. Christianity and the events of Prometheus are very much mutually exclusive.
Yes! All valid points.

And now you see the other side of this aspect: it is not a christian agenda, it is an anti-christian agenda. Just pouring more oil into the fire that is already exploding viciously.

The "it's what I choose to believe" tripe is almost as bad as Vickers being the daughter of Weyland.
 
That scene is transparent. They actually have the Darwinist guy snort as he mocks Shaw's story. But she gets the last word.

Again, you guys seem to be the only one with an agenda here. She wins only in that she believes it is possible humanity was seeded by another race. That she believes evolution may have had a precursor. Where as it seems like something unfathomable to our poorly characterized geologist friend.

Shaw's love interest is similarly afflicted, only he gets more time in the film.
 
I figured out Charlize was his daughter in the first scene. Similar dress.

Her getting on her knees was weird. I half expected her to blow him.

Also who wants their parents to die? They want their time to rule maybe but not explicit death. Seems cruel.
 
Was Milburn a geologist? Fifield was a geologist ("I LOVE ROCKS!") - why would you ever need more than one geologist? Take that, geology.
 
I loved the references to THE THING.



Yes!

What a strange combination of influences, accidental or not.

Don't forget A.I. I'm surprised that Kermode of all people was the only other person I've seen pick up on that out of all the reviews I've read.

If that was the only thing she had "faith" in, why so much focus on that cross of hers?
And there would be that "2000 years ago" thing, naturally...

I was talking about that specific conversation, yeesh.
 
What really impressed though, was that all the questions you guys are asking, could be logically answered based on what we've seen in the movie, without things being spelled out. That we're able to sit here, analyze the evidence and come up with theories that generally point in the same direction just goes to show how well crafted a movie this was.

You pretty much highlighted one of the reasons this movie sucked shit

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If that was the only thing she had "faith" in, why so much focus on that cross of hers?
And there would be that "2000 years ago" thing, naturally...
This is actually pretty funny.

Engineer A: Seed colony 31 is showing signs of aberration.
Engineer B: What form of aberration?
Engineer A: They have construed an organized religious culture based on misinterpreted faith.
Engineer B: Shit. Another two million years of perfectly normal evolution down the drain. OK, arm the torpedo tubes.
 
We never knew what David told the big guy. And there are hints at David's psychotic tendencies.

That too. And David did say "Everyone wants to kill their parents". He resented being manmade. Also, Charlie was kind of an asshole to David so that must have played a why David used him as test subject.

My friend thought David was annoying but to me he was the best character.

I could totally see Prometheus 2 being a comedy. A feisty chick and a smarty android head in bag venture out to a foreign planet and find an amazing adventure. :P
 
I definitely thought that David was a total reference to Spielberg's AI. Aside from the name, but his role in his "family" his obvious desire to be more than what he is...

Also loved that the Proto-Xenomorph at the end was totally channeling the design of the Alien Queen with its jaw within a jaw :P

Like I said in the other thread I think this movie legitimately canonizes both Alien and Aliens in a lot ways.
 
I was talking about that specific conversation, yeesh.
Well, I mentioned that one because it seemed pretty obvious (to me) that the audience was meant to side with her, not whatshisname (never mind how little sense that makes)... Would you disagree?


My friend thought David was annoying but to me he was the best character.
He pretty much was the only thing resembling an actual character.
 
If it spoonfed you the answer that'd be stupid and pointless. The atmosphere created by the mystery would be destroyed then, and that's half of what alien ever was.

It's not even mysterious, because half the shit was obvious as fuck, then it beat you over the head with it.

Then the things that actually mattered, they never told you about, instead trying to spend time on threads that went nowhere.

It's shit writing from shit writers who wrote the shitty LOST story.

-The end is a fantastic setup. Head of super smart robot and Noomi Rapace flying through space trying to find the root of all things. If they made a sequel based on that premise, it would be a true space odyssey. Amazing potential.

In the words of Sandor Clegane: "Bugger that. Bugger him. Bugger you.”
 
This is actually pretty funny.

Engineer A: Seed colony 31 is showing signs of aberration.
Engineer B: What form of aberration?
Engineer A: They have construed an organized religious culture based on misinterpreted faith.
Engineer B: Shit. Another two million years of perfectly normal evolution down the drain. OK, arm the torpedo tubes.

Having watched it only a few hours ago whilst pretty tired, I think this actually makes a lot of sense.

They were no longer considered to be 'gods', humanity rose up against them so they no longer were able to control how they evolved/progressed, it makes sense that if that was the case, they'd want to 'get rid' of them and start over.

The scene where the SJ shows affection to David kind of implies it.
 
It's not even mysterious, because half the shit was obvious as fuck, then it beat you over the head with it.

Then the things that actually mattered, they never told you about, instead trying to spend time on threads that went nowhere.

So half of it is obvious and the other half was the stuff that actually mattered? You're not making much sense here.
 
They were going to go back to earth ANYWAYS, regardless of this faith stuff, if you looked at the 3d map there were tons of worlds they populated, and earth was just the next stop


So half of it is obvious and the other half was the stuff that actually mattered? You're not making much sense here.
the stuff that mattered was never explained, because ~speculations also maybe sequel~ intentions of the shit writers, and the stuff that didn't matter such as the whole faith aspect that went nowhere, or the part about theron being weyland's daughter were completely asinine and useless to the overall plot and would not have made a difference if they were in or not. Another example: Zombie biologist. The point of that was.....?

Half the movie was telegraphed 20 minutes in advance removing any suspense it could have had, the aliens were too lit and too front and center, the characters motives and actions were horribly inconsistent.
 
They were no longer considered to be 'gods', humanity rose up against them so they no longer were able to control how they evolved/progressed, it makes sense that if that was the case, they'd want to 'get rid' of them and start over.
But religion existed far before that, mankind never "rose against" the Engineers (unless we're missing some pretty big chunks of history), I'm not sure what good it ever did the Engineers that mankind used to consider them to be gods (if it did), ...

The scene where the SJ shows affection to David kind of implies it.
I'm not sure what to infer from the guy caressing then ripping off David's head, to tell you the truth. Mixed messages.
 
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