Yeah she does right after David basically admits that he did
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Yeah she does right after David basically admits that he did
Ollie Pooch
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I never even thought of that at the time- the idea of her waking in to find THAT flailing around her antique surgery skilltester is kinda hilarious. Also Shaw not telling anyone just makes her not only seem like a bitch but also completely insane.
Phoenician_Viking
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Why did the robot kill the scientist. The old guy might have ordered him, but what was the motive? That especially weird because they saw all the alien bodies dead because of that stuff. There was no answer.
The space suit had like 3 seconds of air, 5 minutes later she wears it and ran, without considering that she used the same thing. Did the air regenerate? That is not how it works.
Why do the engineers want to destroy humanity? Yet again, no answer.
The whole trip there so the old guy can maintain immortality is fucking stupid especially since they build robots and they can see through dreams. I mean seriously, could they not transfer the old guy´s thought into a robot, or brain transplant or whatever. Fucking ridiculous.
I really laughed when she had the surgery and took the alien baby out. The whole staple back her stomach was so funny.
There are a lot of no answers. And the ending sucked.
Edit: I forgot to mention that very weak point of Stringer Bell leaving his spot to have sex with Charlize Theron and no one noticed that the 2 people that they were stuck at the cave screamed and died.
I wish she did, just so David could reply "that's what I choose to believe". Maybe she'd finally understand how annoyed I was with that fucking line.
It is my theory that the characters kept shifting in and out of different drafts of the same story.
And that the pilots were from another movie altogether.
Spotless Mind
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Haha. That line felt like it was lifted straight out of Lost. So awful.
'They' saw ONE alien body dead. Because of decapitation.
David did not know the black goo would kill Holloway. He was probably under orders from Weyland to find out all he could about anything he found. For all David knew, the black goo could have been benevolent and saved Weyland from his imminent death.
Also his choice to do this is clearly there to show he's flawed. He doesn't like Holloway and he has no programming that stops him from doing things that are harmful or potentially harmful against humans.
Maybe it does regenerate air when in an environment with clean air? I don't know that they need to hook it up to an air tank.
Prometheus 2, see it when it comes out. If there is still no answer, you have a right to be annoyed.
He's an insanely rich and powerful man at the end of his days. Far-fetched that he'd rather spend them on a grand adventure, possibly meeting the creators of mankind who might be able to grant him more life? It's more ridiculous that you assume humans can transfer someones consciousness into a new body just because they've created one robot and a way to look into someone's dreams (something we've already taken some small steps towards).
Phoenician_Viking
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Vickers was not an android or a robot. If she was then she would not be put into a slumber for 2 years during the trip. The only robot in the movie was Robert.
I interpreted the reason the Space Jockey ripped David's head off and became hostile was because he saw that David was an android e.g. fake life/an insult to creation.
From the Space Jockey's point of view he's God and here's this biological creation of his (humans) who have dared to deem themselves Gods/his equal by creating fake life. Since that's forbidden they need to be destroyed, hence the whole punching bit and attempt to fly to Earth to erradicate mankind spiel.
radioheadrule83
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He says it definitely isn't the air that infected him, and she gives him a look - but I wouldn't say its an accusatory look, its more one of shock and curiosity that he can suggest that with such confidence, she clearly doesn't trust him as she leaves her own helmet on until they get to the cockpit room... but I wouldn't say she suspects him of being responsible for her husbands death. David is literally the only one who really knows, even at the end.
RE: the squid-face-hugger, when she presses the decontaminate button in the chamber, it appears still (ie. dead) - she goes from there to the old mans chambers and from there makes the decision to face down whatever it is they find back at the temple / ship. It would have been made clearer that she suspected it dead if she'd approached the operating machine and it had remained still for a few seconds before she left.
I loved how that was Shaw's only reply to the guy asking why they should just forget about Darwin.
It's not just that she doesn't provide any evidence (whereas we do have some interesting fossils of our ancestors, but hey, never mind that): she doesn't even begin to explain where that idea that those giant figures in those paintings are our makers originates. It's just completely out of the blue.
"That's what I choose to believe."
And scene.
Clearly, we're supposed to side with the "spiritual" main character who ended the conversation with that oh-so-profound line, not with the snarky, rude skeptic who can't even sit properly.
Well, fuck you, movie.
He's Mr. Burns.
But that's what I choose to believe.
Yeah, it's open to interpretation. My interpretation - and, judging by this thread, those of others - was that it was a horrified face as she realised that the only way he could know that the air wasn't what infected Holloway was that if he knew for sure what did infect Holloway. Ergo, David was in some way responsible. I was therefore surprised when she reacted to David with anything pure, unadulterated hate.
Just saw the movie, really liked it. It made me squirrrm in parts. The plot was definitely a bit messy though.
Main thing I'm wondering is what is the connection between the black stuff and the tentacle thing? The tentacle things are created by black stuff? Is that the weapon that they're sending? Why was the Engineer at the end intent on fucking humans shit up?
Also yeah, the whole motives of David thing is weird. Don't understand it really.
Main thing I'm wondering is what is the connection between the black stuff and the tentacle thing? The tentacle things are created by black stuff? Is that the weapon that they're sending? Why was the Engineer at the end intent on fucking humans shit up?
Also yeah, the whole motives of David thing is weird. Don't understand it really.
What are you smoking? The movie constantly reminds of us that none of the beliefs in the movie are 100% right. Shaw chose to believe even though she had no logical reasons = the whole point of faith.
I can't believe so much of this movie is hidden to so many people.
MMaRsu
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Really? David motives were probably just finding stuff out about life and death..
runningjoke
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You cannot be right or wrong in this case. That's the beauty of what-would-you-do themes, too bad it wasn't really explored that much.
If you don't think the movie wants us to side with her in that scene, I don't know what to tell you.
(and in case that scene was too subtle, she's the main character, and he's the first guy to die)
That makes her a crappy scientist, incidentally (and the whole expedition a farce).
And we're told she still believes in the end. So faith wins. Yay.
Loved how she asked for her cross, at the end, by the way... Not forced at all. And it makes so much sense to expect David to go "sure, I took it with me when I left for the alien ship".
Which he did, naturally.
Yes, the movie is so subtle.
The main character is religious, has faith and carries a cross that gets a lot of unexplained focus. When Weyland wakes up, the camera zooms on his feet being washed. The movie begins on Christmas, and ends seven days later. The Engineers decided to wipe us out 2000 years ago.
Movie, is there a theme that you're not telling us about?
MarshMellow96
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I liked the film, but even I can agree with this to a point. She didn't make a decent case for being there at all. I guess it's handy that the one who did buy their schtick was a desperate, dying old man with a God complex and a bajillion dollars and not much to lose otherwise! Again, YMMV with that justification..
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Boo-urns! On the subject of Pearce's makeup (I think this was mentioned in the other thread but they seem to have converged with regard to the content of the discussion), I didn't have a problem with it. People get pretty funny looking when they're older, and I think in this instance they took some creative licence with it to make him look a little more like the engineers (IMO). I had a bigger problem with his feet, which were seemingly about as wrinkly as my 22-year-old pair.
I also saw a few parallels with the human perception of the Engineers and Weyland. If Lindelof is still around for 2, I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed for something as hokey as a Equilibrium-style 'Father' role for Weyland.
Also, fuck your shit guys, I liked Fifield and Milburn.
It's as subtle as a brick and without the finesse to construct anything that stands up to scrutiny. The theme of creation couldn't have been tackled in a more hamfisted way.
Yes it provokes thought, but not for the right reasons and the more you think about it the more the film falls apart.
MarshMellow96
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I've got it!
Proto-alien + black goo = proper alien.
Shaw is Prometheus - she's going to be imprisoned on LV-426 and subjected to black goo impregnation ad infinitum. Hence, fields of eggs.
Thanks D-lof, I'll email you my deets later dude!
Proto-alien + black goo = proper alien.
Shaw is Prometheus - she's going to be imprisoned on LV-426 and subjected to black goo impregnation ad infinitum. Hence, fields of eggs.
Thanks D-lof, I'll email you my deets later dude!
When she's running away is the time the geologist comes back and starts going crazy. And the other 2 could have been looking for her. Vickers obviously wasn't in the room at the time and was never shown in the room after so she probably didn't go back to the room.
radioheadrule83
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Agreed. The whole thing was about how pursuing your faith/beliefs/desire and pursuing answers are not necessarily compatible, in fact doing so can be dangerous. Every single person on the Prometheus who had a dream or an agenda was taken out. David talks with Holloway about what he hopes to learn, and asks him why humans created androids. Holloway says 'because we could?' -- David invites him to ponder how disappointing it would be if that is the very same answer he discovers as to why humans were created. Shaw chases her creationist fantasy to the arse end of the Universe only to have it collapse around her and descend into a nightmare. Weyland ends his days with failure and the realisation that there is nothing after life. Vickers and her desire to inherit control are literally crushed. Even after all of that, Shaw is stubborn in her faith and wants to continue chasing answers -- David counsels her that the answers are irrelevant, but she's going to chase them anyway.
We're not meant to side with the spiritual character... we're meant to acknowledge that humans, all of us, are fantasists -- irrational, dangerously belief driven and emotionally led.
Thank you putting these things together. Exactly how I saw the film. People often ponder what would happen to religion if aliens showd up on earth... Well nothing.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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Haven't really dug into the issues with this movie yet. But one thing I keep seeing is that this movie takes place on LV-223. Other than a screen in the beginning of the movie that shows that as their location is it mentioned otherwise?
radioheadrule83
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Nope, not that I recall. Acheron / LV-426 is where Alien / Aliens takes place if anyone was wondering.
I forget, was the Captain privy to the last exchange with the space jockey and ol' man Vickers/David, did he see that whole scene play out on Prometheus. I was just astounded how willingly he'd sacrifice himself and those two other guys on Shaw's assertion that they were absolutely going to Earth and the only course of action was to destroy the ship, there was very little contemplation or hesitation on his part.
Maybe I missed something (I know he reassured that he wouldn't let anything get on Prometheus, itself and thus back to earth) but just seemed like there was something missing there.
Maybe I missed something (I know he reassured that he wouldn't let anything get on Prometheus, itself and thus back to earth) but just seemed like there was something missing there.
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I enjoyed the movie and it had great tech but maybe it's just me but there seem to be a lot of plotholes. Are they explained in Alien the movie?
I still don't get what those black things are. Are they weapons? Is that dome thing a military facility? What does the black goo actually do coz one of the human guys (mohawk guy) just turned to some superzombie? What kind of thing did Charlie ingest that David put in his vodka? Why was the engineer asleep?
Also at the beginning of the movie, why did the engineer commit suicide?
I still don't get what those black things are. Are they weapons? Is that dome thing a military facility? What does the black goo actually do coz one of the human guys (mohawk guy) just turned to some superzombie? What kind of thing did Charlie ingest that David put in his vodka? Why was the engineer asleep?
Also at the beginning of the movie, why did the engineer commit suicide?
Nope, but you should definitely watch it if you already haven't.
That's definitely what Janek (<3) infers. Whether he's right or not is another question. That the engineer goes on a bezerk kill spree when he wakes up definitely supports the case.
Different things to different things. Mutation, basically. Oh, and whatever it mutates, it seems to also make very pissed off.
A mutagen from one of the alien vases.
Dunno. Possibly to save himself from whatever killed all the other engineers.
To birth humanity, supposedly. We see his DNA crumbling and then reassembling to form new DNA (presumably human, or an ancestor of humans). Shaw later claims that human and engineer is the same.
JumpingTheGun
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This thread has made me take off work tomorrow to go see this at the first morning showing. I dont care if it's spoiled for me. As a diehard Alien fan this premise sounds so batshit insane and convoluted, yet really really interesting to me. To me, if it has sparked this much debate and questions it's gotta be pretty fucking great. I cant wait to see it!
Just saw it and finished reading through this thread. Smh at how many yell plothole! when they can't grasp subtleties or open ended questions.
Anyway, a really great movie other than some minor quibbles. Some of the lines were weird, Ion engines do not work that way (slow and steady acceleration, not instaboosters) and how did Shaw manage to keep the air in her suit with the gloves off? The bodysuit didn't look airtight.
Anyway, a really great movie other than some minor quibbles. Some of the lines were weird, Ion engines do not work that way (slow and steady acceleration, not instaboosters) and how did Shaw manage to keep the air in her suit with the gloves off? The bodysuit didn't look airtight.
Saw this last night. Had already heard there were mixed reviews so I had lowered my expectations going in.
Thought it was okay. Looked great, loved some of the technology ideas, and had some good moments. Few things I found which were disappointing (seeing as a lot of discussion is focused on the negatives
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- didn't really understand the opening scene. It doesn't really get addressed anywhere in the film as such, other than we get a better understanding of the black substance. Will have to read more interpretations on this, because I don't really know where to start.
- I felt like the mystery of the Space Jockey was taken away and replaced with something underwhelming (superior humans!). Prometheus could be taken on its own merits, but I kind of felt like this movie retroactively robbed some of my enjoyment of Alien and I won't be able to approach the film in the same way.
- a couple of things like the auto medical chamber thingy and the presence of Weyland on the ship felt overly obvious/telegraphed. I don't think they needed to have made such a big deal about the medical chamber to allow it to feature later on.
- The approach of the Engineer to killing everyone seemed just overly brutal, primal, emotional and pointless. While some are suggesting the Engineer is angered by the insolence of created beings themselves creating, I don't think that is entirely clear nor does that seem like it would be a valid reason anyway. Think it would have come across better had the Engineer been portrayed as more calculating and methodical in being given the opportunity to return to executing the seemingly already in progress extermination plan. Overall, I wanted just a hint of what the overall issue the Engineers had with humanity was. Perhaps my problem is I was just expecting them to appear to be a little more rational, even if they were ruthless.
- didn't really buy Shaw going off on her crusade at the end. It felt off somehow for her character to me, perhaps because the "I'm going to find answers" narrative didn't gel with the "I'm going to kick some arse" way it was presented.
- didn't like the xenomorph shot at the end. Looked like a guy in a monster suit and not in a good way.
Apologies if this has already been explored in the thread (haven't had chance to read back through thoroughly), but given the strong Christian images and references in the film, is there any relevance to the rough dating of the demise of these featured Engineers dying 2,000 years ago which would put their death at around the time of Jesus Christ?
Thought it was okay. Looked great, loved some of the technology ideas, and had some good moments. Few things I found which were disappointing (seeing as a lot of discussion is focused on the negatives
)- didn't really understand the opening scene. It doesn't really get addressed anywhere in the film as such, other than we get a better understanding of the black substance. Will have to read more interpretations on this, because I don't really know where to start.
- I felt like the mystery of the Space Jockey was taken away and replaced with something underwhelming (superior humans!). Prometheus could be taken on its own merits, but I kind of felt like this movie retroactively robbed some of my enjoyment of Alien and I won't be able to approach the film in the same way.
- a couple of things like the auto medical chamber thingy and the presence of Weyland on the ship felt overly obvious/telegraphed. I don't think they needed to have made such a big deal about the medical chamber to allow it to feature later on.
- The approach of the Engineer to killing everyone seemed just overly brutal, primal, emotional and pointless. While some are suggesting the Engineer is angered by the insolence of created beings themselves creating, I don't think that is entirely clear nor does that seem like it would be a valid reason anyway. Think it would have come across better had the Engineer been portrayed as more calculating and methodical in being given the opportunity to return to executing the seemingly already in progress extermination plan. Overall, I wanted just a hint of what the overall issue the Engineers had with humanity was. Perhaps my problem is I was just expecting them to appear to be a little more rational, even if they were ruthless.
- didn't really buy Shaw going off on her crusade at the end. It felt off somehow for her character to me, perhaps because the "I'm going to find answers" narrative didn't gel with the "I'm going to kick some arse" way it was presented.
- didn't like the xenomorph shot at the end. Looked like a guy in a monster suit and not in a good way.
Apologies if this has already been explored in the thread (haven't had chance to read back through thoroughly), but given the strong Christian images and references in the film, is there any relevance to the rough dating of the demise of these featured Engineers dying 2,000 years ago which would put their death at around the time of Jesus Christ?
Spotless Mind
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There was nothing subtle about this movie.
pel1300
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I knew it.
I knew you guys would be disappointed by this movie.
the reactions to this movie almost mirror that of The Phantom Menace.
First, people gush about oh "Ridley Scott returns to sci fi"...then some skeptics post a few good points..
Then bad reviews come in...the response: "Oh the original Alien got bad reviews too. Scifi classics are never well received when they first come out."
sound familiar? that's exactly what the gushers of Star Wars Ep. 1 said..."the original trilogy got panned by critics as well!!".
for gods sake..the fact that this movie had no early screening reviews should have been a HUGE sign to you all...the movie was released in certain countries as early as may 30th and yet we didn't hear any impressions until then. I can remember the constant pots in this thread..."So..when do the reviews start coming out?" as release date approached. It was a huge red flag to me that the movie was probably not that great.
usually if a movie is really that good we get early impressions at least a couple weeks before release.
some of you would go into "The Dark Knight Returns" thread and trash the recent trailer of it, commenting on how crappy it looked compared to "movie of the forever prometheus"....
Did you forget that The Phantom Menace also had some pretty awesome visuals, despite the crappy jar jar and other cgi environments?
And do you forget that initial reviews for most sci fi blockbusters are extremely positive? The fact that the first reviews to come out were very lukewarm was an obvious sign that the movie wasn't what you were expecting.
I knew you guys would be disappointed by this movie.
the reactions to this movie almost mirror that of The Phantom Menace.
First, people gush about oh "Ridley Scott returns to sci fi"...then some skeptics post a few good points..
Then bad reviews come in...the response: "Oh the original Alien got bad reviews too. Scifi classics are never well received when they first come out."
sound familiar? that's exactly what the gushers of Star Wars Ep. 1 said..."the original trilogy got panned by critics as well!!".
for gods sake..the fact that this movie had no early screening reviews should have been a HUGE sign to you all...the movie was released in certain countries as early as may 30th and yet we didn't hear any impressions until then. I can remember the constant pots in this thread..."So..when do the reviews start coming out?" as release date approached. It was a huge red flag to me that the movie was probably not that great.
usually if a movie is really that good we get early impressions at least a couple weeks before release.
some of you would go into "The Dark Knight Returns" thread and trash the recent trailer of it, commenting on how crappy it looked compared to "movie of the forever prometheus"....
Did you forget that The Phantom Menace also had some pretty awesome visuals, despite the crappy jar jar and other cgi environments?
And do you forget that initial reviews for most sci fi blockbusters are extremely positive? The fact that the first reviews to come out were very lukewarm was an obvious sign that the movie wasn't what you were expecting.
pel1300
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and also...the fact that ridley scott's recent track record in the past 7 or so years was pretty mediocre...man, that should have been an obvious sign to you.
I still don't understand how people don't realize that artists get old. This is especially evident in movie directors and film music composers....to a lesser extend, actors(older actors still give great performances, but not as great as their younger years, ie - Al Pacino and De Niro in The Godfather II vs their recent movies).
I still don't understand how people don't realize that artists get old. This is especially evident in movie directors and film music composers....to a lesser extend, actors(older actors still give great performances, but not as great as their younger years, ie - Al Pacino and De Niro in The Godfather II vs their recent movies).
Scarecrow
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Sounds like Jezo was an engineer who got crucified.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Have you actually seen the movie?
pel1300
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yes, in fact I did. I quite enjoyed it actually...but my expectations were REALLY low. Ridley Scott is old...sorry I can't sugar coat it, I know it sounds harsh.
Well, it might take some time to realize certain things...
pel1300
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Why so? You should know after watching a movie if you loved it or not.
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