I think just because it wasn't really very important anymore now that Weyland had woken up. Not that that's a very good reason from a narrative perspective, just that I think they had something more important to deal with.
PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
- Thread starter Chopper
- Start date
- Status
I think just because it wasn't really very important anymore now that Weyland had woken up. Not that that's a very good reason from a narrative perspective, just that I think they had something more important to deal with.
BuddyJoeHooker
Member
Only David knew about the baby, he kept it a secret even from the two that were going to put her in cryostasis.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Hmmm, how about these:
Maybe take a sample of it under a microscope and watch it's effects against human blood/tissue. He might have seen that it causes rapid infection and concluded that it wasn't safe at all.
Lock a person or monkey or rat in a quarantine area and test various degrees of exposure to the black liquid in a controlled environment to test the reactions.
They weren't really prepared for this "scientific research" mission, I suppose. Everybody was sort of dumb.
TUROK
Member
Ah. Well, at this point, nonsensical crap like this just does not surprise me.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Even if that is true, why didn't they notice her c-section? Why didn't anybody go say, "Hey Shaw, thanks for knocking us out while we were putting you into cryostasis for reasons unknown... oh fuck, what happened to you?!"
Also, where was Vickers? She didn't once go into her room during any of that period of time to get a vodka or use the bathroom? Nobody noticed this cthulhu in the medpod?
TheJollyCorner
Member
Hmmm...
Wasn't duckroll missing a couple people in his death-count?
Maybe they did have two random crewmembers/scientists go investigate the med-pod room right after Shaw walked in on Weyland's 'awakening' and the poor bastards fell victim to the Trilobite? As pointed out previously, there was blood everywhere when Shaw returned post-crash and the creature had grown tremendously.
I'll just use that to fill in a few holes.
Nappuccino
Member
I don't believe David was programmed as a scientific research android. He just had general knowlege about a lot of things and he didn't seem to understand that plunging headlong into a situation can lead to terrible results (i.e. all the touching of items he did back in the alien's stuff). Seems to me he was just poorly programmed.
symphonask
Member
I think we have to remember that David doesn't really have a duty of care to anyone except Weyland. Fassbender mentioned in an interview that David thinks he's superior to humans. I think he looked upon Holloway as literally a lab rat.
TheJollyCorner
Member
I need to rewatch it, but didn't the team move almost instantly in prepping Weyland and going right to the tomb? Vickers was hanging around Weyland until they left, then she was up in the cockpit with Janik until having to evacuate, right?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How is it clear? And Dan (the co-writer from LOST) said that we should know why the Engineers changed their minds when it came to liking humans.
Does anybody know what those clues were? Why did they change their minds?
we.are.the.armada
Member
Yeah, I can agree. I actually think that David is an evil, deceptive bastard. Damn it, what does he want? He gets everybody killed, including himself if you count that as death, and yet he's smug.
That changes everything...you guys are ruining the movie for me! This whole time I was under the assumption that those 2 were still knocked out, therefore nobody really knew about the abortion, etc.
And the bowlcut was the first thing I noticed when I saw her haha.
I disagree...it's a pretty big ass deal. Wtf, this woman who had an alien inside of her escapes, there is no shipwide search, and then when she comes in and says hi to the people she knocked out, they don't even bat an eye? EHHHHHHHH. Even if they didn't know about the baby, it must have been a big deal that they wanted to put her in quarantine.
actually, does anybody remember exactly what the 2 people said when they came to get Shaw? I remember thinking in the theater "wtf, why did she knock them out?" because I thought they just wanted to help her get cleaned up or something. Not hurt her or anything..
Nappuccino
Member
I'm pretty sure no one but David knew about the alien in her.
So what did those 2 come to do to her? And under what pretense?
Zoe
Member
They were telling her it was time to go to the stasis room.
They just knew that she was under quarantine and the safest thing would be to freeze her.
we.are.the.armada
Member
They did.
I guess when David came and woke them up he said,
"Hey dudes, the guy that told you he was dead, well, he isn't. And he's awake and needs an ass-wiping and sponge bath."
."But wait David, Shaw knocked us out! She's fucking strong as shit... damn, and she's escaped! We need to put her in cryo..."
"No big deal, we just won't mention it."
."Oh, ok cool, let's go see Weyland. Wow, he's alive huh...?"
Or maybe it wasn't David that came in and woke them up, maybe it was Vickers.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Yeah...
I really liked the movie, but the tagline should have been:
P R O M E T H E U S
"Maybe...."
They just had orders to put her into quarantine, but she wanted the creature growing inside of her removed forcefully before being birthed. She didn't want to be some test subject.
I still think the part where she bursts into Weyland's room and everyone is just like "eh" is amusing though. As I recall, only David's expression changes when she shows up, and while he's the only one who knew what she had just gone through, she is in a pretty eyebrow-raising physical state at that point and the others should have at least been curious at what had just happened to her given that they're all on the same ship. Even David after his initial reaction just goes back to caring for Weyland instead of showing any interest at what happened with the creature inside of her. They were all very blasé in a Twilight Zone-esque fashion.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Haha! The validity of instances in this movie seem to hinge on things that we never see or are not explained. At this point, we could make up anything that cannot be proven untrue simply because it never happened in the film.
David also left some food for the squid baby and cleaned up the blood trail so that nobody would suspect.
squid baby grew by licking up the blood stains.
we.are.the.armada
Member
This is what I was expecting to happen. She's like, covered in blood and alien shit and they don't try and quarantine her after that even though Weyland is sitting right there and could be contaminated. For all they know, she could be mutating just like her boyfriend. Or worse, ready to explode like that head in the lab.
symphonask
Member
Weyland probably couldn't have cared less about the bloody Shaw bursting into the medbay. He probably just woke from cryo was a little bit amused at the sight, knowing David probably had something to do with it. After all, he gave the order to try harder.
The other two were busy caring for Weyland.
The other two were busy caring for Weyland.
I swear, this movie is mocking fanboys. Like, to the point where it literally has an alien stick its tongue out at the end. This is Ridley having a go at people who take this shit so seriously.
We are Holloway. We're the ones who looked for the origin to Alien and are now being all upset about it. Ridley's saying it doesn't matter - it's all fake bs anyway, similar to religion.
We are Holloway. We're the ones who looked for the origin to Alien and are now being all upset about it. Ridley's saying it doesn't matter - it's all fake bs anyway, similar to religion.
we.are.the.armada
Member
That's exactly what happened. Nobody cared. Nobody cares about anything. It's convenient for the plot, their apathy.
But what else could they have done?
Weyland's guard would probably question Shaw's sudden and bizarre reappearance. He might even take security measures considering all that has happened.
Bowlcut would have probably explained everything beforehand so these guys must have known what Shaw was up to.
David is a fucking creepy weirdo and it wouldn't be out of his character to find the squid and keep it to study it.
And Weyland is a stupid jackass that somehow thinks he can get immortality from the spacejockey, a being whose existence strikes conjecture of baffling origin. Haha!
No. I think it's more simple than that. Ridley and his writer made an incoherent mess (but they actually thought it was brilliant) and you have people defending it and people laughing at it.
symphonask
Member
Meh, I was fine with it. David's little quip was enough. The whole point was they didn't give a shit about her welfare, and had the more important objective of talking to the live engineer.
You start adding all those things you mentioned and the whole movie is in danger of being bogged down in needless exposition.
The film just doesn't make sense any other way, and its not like symbolism is lost on Scott. There are too many coincidental things that line up to it being a farce. The map making guy - gets lost. The biologist - pets a hissing creature. The archeologist - upset that things are dead. They all suck at what they're supposed to be good at. The things David does throughout the film are funny, like he's at sheer wtf-level 90% of the time. If this isn't all on purpose, then yeah, fuck it. But if it is, then it's pretty funny. It makes more sense as a personal, cynical look at humanity than a serious sci-fi movie. Hell, I think he's mocking what those are, too.
I was referring to "elitist", which I am surely not, and "groupthink", which there surely isn't. And I am certainly not trying to define a general consensus of anything. I know I really didn't like it, and that's it. Can't and am not interested in speaking for anyone else.
As for solutions, I haven't proposed any aside from hiring competent writers and exercising some restraint on Ridley's control on the plot.
I don't mean bring her back as Ripley. She's too old now anyways.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Would have been sweeter as PG13 with toys! Rocket pack Holloway and laser bike David to the rescue! Medpod Shaw with lever action punch attack to keep those pesky Weyland goons at bay. Bowlcut even has a switch on her back that makes her eye bulge out and her bowlcut spin around
The origin of Alien was a farce, an incredibly campy comedy called Dark Star. It featured an alien which was no more than a spray-painted beach ball with monster feet glued on.
EDIT: AMC has the whole movie online here. Skip to 29:00
EDIT: AMC has the whole movie online here. Skip to 29:00
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I get some of the confusion and issues with the film, but I thought a few things were pretty straight forward
-Goop on walls was a bio-electronic that allowed input
-David was acting on Weylands orders to discover the meaning of the black goop, thus he infects Charlie. Further, David likely had a basic understanding of what would happen as he clearly could read the language the engineers used. Just because he didn't proclaim this doesnt make it an issue, he clearly had a different agenda than Shaw.
-Vickers is not an android, plain and simple, it was a pick up line from the captain, to prove it further they have sex.
-Medstation was calibrated for males as it was actually Welands not Vickers.
-Fiefield was high and freaking out, thus he got lost, Milburn was along for the ride.
-Shaw questions why Weyland is alive, we get answers. Just because they didn't spend the time showing this happen with everyone else doesn't make it a flaw, it cuts forward to after this likely happened.
As for some of the other issues, they are the result of sloppy writing and other are purposely left open and ambiguous. There were definitely issued throughout, but people are really just trying to discredit every little things this movie does.
Cool, thanks, it was an interesting listen. I can't wait for the Blu Ray just for the BTS stuff.
The design seems a lot better there. Did they replace the prop with pure CG in the film?
-Goop on walls was a bio-electronic that allowed input
-David was acting on Weylands orders to discover the meaning of the black goop, thus he infects Charlie. Further, David likely had a basic understanding of what would happen as he clearly could read the language the engineers used. Just because he didn't proclaim this doesnt make it an issue, he clearly had a different agenda than Shaw.
-Vickers is not an android, plain and simple, it was a pick up line from the captain, to prove it further they have sex.
-Medstation was calibrated for males as it was actually Welands not Vickers.
-Fiefield was high and freaking out, thus he got lost, Milburn was along for the ride.
-Shaw questions why Weyland is alive, we get answers. Just because they didn't spend the time showing this happen with everyone else doesn't make it a flaw, it cuts forward to after this likely happened.
As for some of the other issues, they are the result of sloppy writing and other are purposely left open and ambiguous. There were definitely issued throughout, but people are really just trying to discredit every little things this movie does.
Cool, thanks, it was an interesting listen. I can't wait for the Blu Ray just for the BTS stuff.
Maybe not as big as a room.. hmm..
The design seems a lot better there. Did they replace the prop with pure CG in the film?
Which no one involved in Prometheus was involved in. The only common factor is Dan O'Bannon who wanted to write a more serious horror film, and Ridley Scott wanted to do the same. Not sure what any of that has to do with Prometheus being farce.
Maybe not as big as a room.. hmm..
where's this from?
Because that is the origin. We can act like these stories are going somewhere, or that we are entitled to answers about fiction, but in the end, it's just stuff that someone is making up. So Ridley gives us a bunch of goo that makes crazy things happen and punctuates it with an alien sticking it's tongue out at us and making a retching noise. The archeologists are us the fans, with Shaw being the perpetually optimistic fan and Holloway being one demanding perfection.
It's certainly a valid interpretation, but I really don't think it's the intent.
Like I said, it's what I chose to believe.
:lol
some monster movie website... uhm.. google prometheus alien, or something... shoulda bookmarked it.. but they had a lot of shit scans.
So I wonder what happened to this scene from the first teaser (I dont remember it)...
that looks like Weyland in the background which means they were on their way to see the Engineer... but there was no confrontation in the final movie. Was the original Fifield scene meant to be much later?
that looks like Weyland in the background which means they were on their way to see the Engineer... but there was no confrontation in the final movie. Was the original Fifield scene meant to be much later?
Shitty writing and characters.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Could this be true (taken from prometheus-movie.com):
Put her in stasis because she had the closest contact with Halloway.
And well because David discovers she has the squid baby inside her. We don't know if he told the other scientists what was wrong with her. But they were told to put her in stasis
Sickboy007
Member
Uh ok just read right now the part about LV-426.
TUROK
Member
While it's an interesting theory, there's nothing to suggest that this is true. I'm referring to the whole "transporting Xenos in urns" theory.
Not to mention it contradicts the whole Space Jesus angle, which is all but a fact now.
- Status