True, which was an awesome video. I'm wondering if they filmed more with him that was cut or if Guy Pearce was kept on it solely for the Ted Talks and potential sequels.
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True, which was an awesome video. I'm wondering if they filmed more with him that was cut or if Guy Pearce was kept on it solely for the Ted Talks and potential sequels.
They probably wouldn't bothered to reseed Earth, if they could have gotten the same results with a few Engineers.
The end result, possibly taking thousands or millions of years, is possibly what they want and they would only need a few specimens that they could replicate, and not necessarily millions of foot soldiers.
One issue is that human beings are magically a perfect genetic match with Engineers, which seems like an inexplicably inefficient use of time to create billions of Engineer clones, if that was the original intention of seeding Earth in the first place.
Nappuccino
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you know, seeing a hologram of young weyland doing the ted talk morph into a hologram of the old weyland giving the briefing would have been neat.
of course there will be wasn't ridley the first director to create the "directors cut"? how can he say that he has cut 20-30 minutes and not put it in the blu-ray?
Zoe
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The inception sequence was written but not filmed, so we only saw David's half of the conversation.
He is being coy when asked about it.
I think we are in agreement, I am just speaking from the context of him actively not confirming the existence of an extended cut.
He went along way into making clear that he didnt like the "director's cut" subtitle since what he releases in theatres is always what he intended and his true cut. The director's cut is just an edited version with more footage thrown in.
He probably didnt say anything yet because the stupid moniker makes it sound as if there was a better version of the movie out there, while he obviously believes this one's it. Im sure we'll see more footage later on.
Oh, the origin of man thing is just a complete headache. I wish they'd never stumbled into that or took the Ancient Aliens angle. It just unnecessarily complicated things and stretches believability to breaking point.
If they were determined to have them visiting us, they could still have explored our search for what we perceived to be God without directly linking us and the Engineers. Would have meant they could have kept their form and size exactly the same as Alien. Plus it would have made the Engineer waking up the much more awe-inspiring scene it should have been and Shaw's questions would have been a bit more interesting than why did he smack the shit out of us. It would have been why weren't we created in God's image.
I don't think this concept is so strait forward. The studios, and financial reality, dictated the 2 hour run time.
Kingdom of Heaven's DC is clearly the superior version, where as his Alien DC is very directly just an extended version for fans (as he himself says on the disc).
I realize that Scott has said that he likes this cut but time will tell if another, potentially superior version, will emerge.
haha i dont understand he knows his fans are expecting his directors cut, i just dont see the point in saying he wont put it but he cut 20 minutes.
you are right directors cut does kinda have a bad sound to it but to me it just part of his act, to me it seems like "ok so you enjoyed the movie, well for fans here is more footage, enjoy"
not saying the edited cut would or woulnd't be superior, just saying that if he had to do any kind of sacrifice due to runtime concerns he'd say so. Even if the financial reality and the studios dictate the runtime, Ridley Scott still has a ton of pull in the industry, not to mention that a runtime like that is most likely already in his head by the time he starts shooting.
Of course he doesn't like the term, but a better term that doesn't roll off the tongue is something like "The version he wanted you to see but most audiences wouldn't sit still for and the studio was already taking a big gamble on an R rated movie" edition.
Again, I think its more complicated than that. I think he fully believes this is the version that will result in the most revenue for the theatrical run (for both reasons of run-time and pacing). When asked, this has seemed to be his tone in recent interviews. "You can't separate art from business in this art form" (or similar comments).
Again, whether a 'better' cut will eventually emerge is yet to be seen. A number of his "director's cuts" have been unnecessary, so its hard to say if it will actually be better even if it is released.
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yeah that's mostly what I mean.. I mean in the end I dont really see how more footage could make the film better for those who didnt like it. I dont think giving more straight answers would really help the film in any meaningful way.. changing some stuff around however maybe could.
as to how it goes with the studio yeah, not like we'll ever know
Just call it extra edition or something, director's cut was always awful
Shaw: were they traveling somewhere
David: I've managed to work out the broad strokes. They were in the process of leaving before things fell apart.
Shaw: Leaving to go where?
David: Earth
Shaw: Why?
David: Sometimes to create one must first destroy.
That was right after they saw the thousands of black goo jars.
I'm probably way behind the times on this stuff, but this doesn't make sense:
http://www.projectprometheus.com/genesis/
Going here, it asked me to download a zip file.
That file had what were supposed to be Shaw's notes.
However, the notes clearly showed one of the urns that she ran into on the other planet, and she seemed to have no fucking clue about them when she got there.
I wonder just how much shit did get cut.
http://www.projectprometheus.com/genesis/
Going here, it asked me to download a zip file.
That file had what were supposed to be Shaw's notes.
However, the notes clearly showed one of the urns that she ran into on the other planet, and she seemed to have no fucking clue about them when she got there.
I wonder just how much shit did get cut.
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Have been reading the thread but after a few pages of intense dialogue, I couldn't find the answers to my questions:
- What was the lifeform that the probe found and disappeared when the 2 scientists were lost in the cave? Was it intended for the viewer to forget about it?
- I have read a LOT of the speculation on why David poisoned Holloway, but I haven't read much here on Neogaf. What is the consensus on why? I've read it ranges anywhere from his android hate, to experimentation, but by the time he asks 'Would you be willing to do anything for that discovery?', it really seemed he was committed before he even asked that.
- The black goo is an 'intent/conscience reader', so it inherits the person's mood? What?
- What was the lifeform that the probe found and disappeared when the 2 scientists were lost in the cave? Was it intended for the viewer to forget about it?
- I have read a LOT of the speculation on why David poisoned Holloway, but I haven't read much here on Neogaf. What is the consensus on why? I've read it ranges anywhere from his android hate, to experimentation, but by the time he asks 'Would you be willing to do anything for that discovery?', it really seemed he was committed before he even asked that.
- The black goo is an 'intent/conscience reader', so it inherits the person's mood? What?
Nappuccino
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1) I think it was supposed to be the engineer in hypersleep.
2) Weyland told him to try harder. He more or less asked Halloway his permission (Anything and everything) and there may have been some resentment which is why David focused on Holloway instead of one of the faceless workers.
-either it really was a glitch and that was also why they couldn't find their way out of the caves or it was one of those snake things.
-Probably did it on Weyland's orders to find out what the black goo does. David is a robot, it doesn't have feelings.
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Not 1, not 2, not 3...but 9!
Im really hoping we get to see this play out in a directors cut.
dag, what the heck ridley & editors!
- I think it was reading faint life signs from the sleeping Engineer in the bridge area beyond the door at the end of that hallway. It makes sense since that's what David eventually finds when he goes check the probe out.
- "Try harder." His father was pushing him to get answers, and his solution was to test the shit out on a living subject. Also, he's a dick.
- No idea what you're saying here. The black goo is just like the island in Lost. It is whatever the writer wants it to be for any part of hte plot.
The theatrical cut of the film implied to me (both times that I saw the film) that it was those snakes. They popped into and out of the black liquid, and they didn't seem to be seen while they were in the liquidl.
David seemed to stay back on purpose and he used the life signs as a way to detour to the engineer without arousing suspicion. David also seemed to understand quite a bit more than he let on, so I wouldn't find it surprising to know that he already had figured out where the cargo hold and the room with the engineers would be.
It was certainly incredibly ambiguous, though.
this is awesome thanks dude!
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I dunno, I hate crap like that.
I also am not a huge fan of the schtick that the Alien movies seem to have - when I saw Prometheus had a crew of 17 in the beginning I thought to myself... "Great, I hope I don't see 14-16 deaths". I sure did see that, basically one by one too. I really hope that now that there are only 2 left that we can actually watch a plot develop, not just watch bodies die. /rant
Nah, this was a different part of the tomb infrastructure completely. Fiefield and the other guy were lost, and when Idris told them about the probe, it showed it was at the end of a long hallway, at a closed door. The probe was exploring still and came to a standstill, and this location was not the chamber where the goo canisters/snakes were.
David later went down this long hallway, opened the door and unveil the stock pile of goo canisters. Walking through that room he found the cryo engineer.
The black goo is, for lack of a better term, evolution juice. Like David says, it destroys old life to create new life:
-killed the Engineer in the beginning to seed whatever planet with life
-killed the worms in the ship to create the tentacle/snake creatures
-killed Fifield to create zombie-Fifield
-killed Holloway to create xeno-sperm (which grew inside Shaw)
A combination of following orders + wanting to create life himself + has no regard for Holloway's life (or probably anyone's, for that matter, since he likely doesn't understand the concept)
-killed the Engineer in the beginning to seed whatever planet with life
-killed the worms in the ship to create the tentacle/snake creatures
-killed Fifield to create zombie-Fifield
-killed Holloway to create xeno-sperm (which grew inside Shaw)
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A combination of following orders + wanting to create life himself + has no regard for Holloway's life (or probably anyone's, for that matter, since he likely doesn't understand the concept)
We don't actually see 15 people die in the movie. We see like 13 people die. I did a rough count. They couldn't even get that part right. Lol.
Among the many other questions the movie posed to me, how the hell did the alien she had cut out of her grow 800x in weight without consuming anything? Of course, the same thing happens in other Alien movies, but not to that extent, I don't think.
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Space magic. Or it got into the supplies of the med cabinets in the room. Or that was the size it was originally going to become based on the black goo impregnating her barren womb.
I'd like to believe this. But it creates life to destroy it. The geologist who came back solely came back to destroy life, not create more.
I read somewhere the Black Goo inherits the intent of it's host. The engineer in the beginning is peaceful and embracing death, thus leading to more life. The Geologist was fearful, and the girl wanted children, and the Engineer at the end was filled with rage.
If what I typed is true, I will only rent the next movies, not go to the theater, as it seems more like a B movie plot.
Ah, that makes sense. I saw that they kept focusing on that long hallway in the 3D map, but I thought there was supposed to be a blip there or something that I missed.
Thanks, I hadn't seen this. However, I don't think can be taken as cannon. This looks like something cooked up by the marketing team.
Having read through a good portion of this thread, i somehow want to rewatch this movie. I left the theatre, quite disappointed. I didn't feel satisfied at the end. I was expecting a bit of suspense but most of all a good story with required thinking. I had my thinking cap on, ready to deduce and connect to Alien and whatnot. In the end, the story hardly went anywhere, didn't feel believable (the black goo does just about everything? What?) and left with more questions then it started with. But e story could bw so damn good. I feel like it could be a really interesting origin story for both man and engineer. The execution was just bad. Hopefully the extended cut or whatever fixes it up good. The pacing was too clear cut and never once did i feel blown away or whatever, which is actually what i came ro expect from this movie. It had no problem delivering visually, my god, so stunning.
And the weird part is that all these theories make me want to watch it again, badly. I know what to expect now, so i can watch it in a different light and want to know more. The alien universe lore is still incredible. I want to review it lots, and decipher things. I WANT TO KNOW.
And the weird part is that all these theories make me want to watch it again, badly. I know what to expect now, so i can watch it in a different light and want to know more. The alien universe lore is still incredible. I want to review it lots, and decipher things. I WANT TO KNOW.
Well the goo in the ship is designed as a weapon.
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I don't subscribe to this, but it does sound like something Lindelof would write :lol
A more plausible explanation is that the Engineers weaponized it.
Trying to catch up:
My order:
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien 3/Prometheus (these movies are good and bad for entirely different reasons).
4. Everything else.
Pretty big jump between 2 and 3 IMO.
Regarding the black goo - apparently creator and destroyer (or per some theories, reactive to the "intent" of the individual it affects); too ambiguous I think. Not my biggest problem with the movie, but would've liked more "in story" analysis. A resolution to what it is, is not necessary, but some exposition on what it could be would've been nice and completely in character for a group of scientist on an alien world.
My order:
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien 3/Prometheus (these movies are good and bad for entirely different reasons).
4. Everything else.
Pretty big jump between 2 and 3 IMO.
Regarding the black goo - apparently creator and destroyer (or per some theories, reactive to the "intent" of the individual it affects); too ambiguous I think. Not my biggest problem with the movie, but would've liked more "in story" analysis. A resolution to what it is, is not necessary, but some exposition on what it could be would've been nice and completely in character for a group of scientist on an alien world.
This is sort of an interesting topic- what will be added to the seemingly inevitable extended cut. 25 minutes is a lot of time.
I'm going to say mostly character stuff was cut. There were other sequences cut during production, but it doesn't sound like they were filmed (extended intro aside). We'll just have to wait and see.
More scenes with character development really could make the movie for me. I'm completely willing to let myself fall into a movie's "world" and enjoy the fiction. But when that "world" doesn't follow it's own rules OR characters act, well out of character, my belief suspension is lost and the movie suffers for it.
I don't think Prometheus suffers from the former. But the latter...
Major Williams
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Thank the Lord you have redeemed the entire black goo plot for me. I'd buy you a beer if I could.
Escape Goat
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I finally saw it. While it looked amazing and I loved the 3D (my first 3D film) it felt like the movie never took off. None of the characters had the charm of Alien or Aliens. I really didn't care about anyone. Charlize Theron was a mystery that went absolutely fucking nowhere. I'm not sure anything happened in the movie. I was just looking at pretty cinematography the whole time. I wanted so badly to like this movie. Ridley, why did you do it man? 
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I finally saw it. While it looked amazing and I loved the 3D (my first 3D film) it felt like the movie never took off. None of the characters had the charm of Alien or Aliens. I really didn't care about anyone. Charlize Theron was a mystery that went absolutely fucking nowhere. I'm not sure anything happened in the movie. I was just looking at pretty cinematography the whole time. I wanted so badly to like this movie. Ridley, why did you do it man?
D+
I'll play you a tune on my flute to drown your sorrows!
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Elvin Atombender
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Isn't the Alien DC about 5 minuter shorter than the theatrical version?
Escape Goat
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I finally saw it. While it looked amazing and I loved the 3D (my first 3D film) it felt like the movie never took off. None of the characters had the charm of Alien or Aliens. I really didn't care about anyone. Charlize Theron was a mystery that went absolutely fucking nowhere. I'm not sure anything happened in the movie. I was just looking at pretty cinematography the whole time. I wanted so badly to like this movie. Ridley, why did you do it man?
D+
Pretty much how I felt after thinking about the movie. I wouldn't give it a D+, probably around a C to C-.
Ridley did return to building better worlds, he just didn't bring a story or characters with him.
Honestly I don't even know. The main point is that on the DVD he himself says that the alternate cut is unnecessary and should be considered only as a point of curiosity (I'm paraphrasing btw).
Nappuccino
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he took out some stuff and put in some stuff, but there, the theatrical trailer is his preferred.
Justin Timberlake
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This is an awesome post and I wish the movie actually went down this path.
In fact, there are many directions the movie could have gone that would have been interesting; the spin on the creation myth has a lot of potential.
Its a shame that the film never really tried to flesh it out.
Thread is too long for me to check, but someone may have already pointed out this analogy.
Black goo = Fire
Well, fire in the sense that if it is used in a controlled environment, then it can sustain life (in some cases, even create life). However, if it gets out of control, then it will destroy everything in its path.
And the Titan (or giant being) that gave fire to the mortals is Prometheus.
Black goo = Fire
Well, fire in the sense that if it is used in a controlled environment, then it can sustain life (in some cases, even create life). However, if it gets out of control, then it will destroy everything in its path.
And the Titan (or giant being) that gave fire to the mortals is Prometheus.
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