I agree your analysis seems reasonable, but I can't think of any fitness advantage of having a space travelling populations of albinos. And besides even if they do have the technology to completely shield themselves from radiation in space do they use that technology when on a planet? It's unrealistic that they'd never be exposed to radiation. Consequently, I don't see a good purpose to breed for albinos.
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I agree your analysis seems reasonable, but I can't think of any fitness advantage of having a space travelling populations of albinos. And besides even if they do have the technology to completely shield themselves from radiation in space do they use that technology when on a planet? It's unrealistic that they'd never be exposed to radiation. Consequently, I don't see a good purpose to breed for albinos.
Salvor.Hardin
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I just saw it last night and I enjoyed it somewhat, but it had a lot of lost potential. I apologize if any of this is redundant.
1) How could the biologist and geologist get lost? Wasn't their signal being transmitted back to the ship? The storm wasn't causing any interference with the map, in fact we see that during the storm the map is perfectly transmitting their signals and the captain tells them to hold on for the night..
2) With that said, I liked those 2 guys, they set it up as if their was going to be some tension between the two but it turns out they got along. What I liked was that they acted exactly how anybody would act in that situation, they were scared and wanted to get the hell out of there. THEN they see an alien tentacle pop out of the goop and decide to examine it? Why? why would you even bother? You just ran away in the opposite direction when the captain told you they were reading a life signal....
3) What was David's motivation for spiking the drink with the alien dna? I assumed he was programed to do so but why? Essentially he is the reason Aliens exist.
4) Why did the engineer go berserk on them. That was sad, I too would have liked answers....
5) The big monsters at the end trapped in the room was very cheesy. I thought it was waaay over the top and unnecessary. I would have liked if it was a face hugger instead
IT was obvious with the religious undertones the movie was trying to convey along with themes of immortality and how man should not possess the answers to such questions.
3) I feel like David was acting on his own whim for much of the movie. We assume that because he's an earlier Android, he must be strictly hardwired to his programming. But I'd like to posit a different theory - because he's an earlier andoid, his programming is flawed. He has more personality and freedom than he should, and I think that's been hinted throughout the movie and in the viral campaign videos.
He didn't create the Aliens we know however. Remember that the space jockey in Alien is on a completely separate moon than the one Prometheus takes place on.
It's not an oversight when Lindelof keeps saying repeatedly in interviews that that scene is telling us something important and it will be explained in the sequel
gotta say I really like the original concept art for the deacon also..
Though I guess it was a bit harder to relate to the known xenomorph..
also too many white aliens. It fits in the concept art since the engineers werent really white there
but not as much in the final film, so:
is this stuff from the Prometheus:the art of the film???
where are you getting all these images?
Yes the art book
Genetics affected by cultural influence.
Or
Different biological system allowing for non-melanin based radiation absorption/shielding/deflection.
But seriously - if you're going to delve into that level of detail, you're going to bump up against the ridiculousness of the premise - that Space Jockey's seeded humanity.
Clearly human's have evolved from Earth conditions, with a clear trace of lineage over hundreds of thousands to millions of years, with many cousin species that share large portions of our genetic components which have been around for far longer still.
Speedymanic
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Here's what I'm getting out of this picture.
Space Jockey
"You're race is a mistake and you shouldn't be here, I'm going to kill you"
Shaw
"Why, why are we a mistake and why do you want to kill us"
Squid
"Get away from my mom, you bastard"
hehe.
I like how the shawhugger has its tentacle resting on the engineer's shoulder. Almost as if they were buddies and he's trying to calm him down.
Pachterballs
Banned
rewatched today; and wow - the religious overtones just kept coming over and over. Didn't note it as much the 1st time but having read this thread; it just constantly kept coming.
And yeah, on 2nd viewing the whole lost in the tunnel thing is quite amusing. They would/should never have been lost in the tunnel. Also, its quite clear that the goo made the penis snake.
missed it on the first viewing; always thought david had laced the alcohol; but he actually dipped his finger in the wine very quickly after talking to holloway making me think he decided to go ahead after talking to holloway and asking him the "how far are you willing to go question" and getting an affirmatie from holloway.
There's 1 cut/edit in the film that stood out both times as odd in the film - when holloway gets burnt, she passes out and the intense scene sort of fades to white and that was a weird transition - only time it happens in the film.
I can't warm to naomi rapace - something about the way she speaks and look is odd.
Fassbender is just revelatory to watch still. As David; someone totally meant to be devoid of emotion; he constantly smirked; had that look of wonderment when he discovered the star chamber. Not emotionless.
And yeah, on 2nd viewing the whole lost in the tunnel thing is quite amusing. They would/should never have been lost in the tunnel. Also, its quite clear that the goo made the penis snake.
missed it on the first viewing; always thought david had laced the alcohol; but he actually dipped his finger in the wine very quickly after talking to holloway making me think he decided to go ahead after talking to holloway and asking him the "how far are you willing to go question" and getting an affirmatie from holloway.
There's 1 cut/edit in the film that stood out both times as odd in the film - when holloway gets burnt, she passes out and the intense scene sort of fades to white and that was a weird transition - only time it happens in the film.
I can't warm to naomi rapace - something about the way she speaks and look is odd.
Fassbender is just revelatory to watch still. As David; someone totally meant to be devoid of emotion; he constantly smirked; had that look of wonderment when he discovered the star chamber. Not emotionless.
I can understand the cultural influence thing, we have that on earth today, but cultures that have preference for paleness do so because paleness is a sign of wealth - you're pale because you aren't working outside all day. Similarly, overweight women were the standard of beauty in some cultures (China, specifically) because it meant that you had money and could eat. It seems odd to me that a civilisation advanced enough to travel in space would not only not be beyond this in cultural sophistication, but take it to its extreme by selecting for albinos.
They can't have another pigment because the film said that the Engineers and Humans were "100%" genetically identical. If they have a pigment that humans don't have (humans don't have white pigment) then they couldn't be "100%" identical.
So don't get me wrong, these are good explanations to justify it, but they're just more tortuous. The more parsimonious thing would have been to have them pigmented - it wouldn't have required much additional explanation nor any conditions to work.
Yeah, I know its majorly picky. It all started because someone asked how it could be possible for Humans and Engineers to be genetically identical, but phenotypically look so different. Someone else used standard sci fi tropes to answer it, but I tried to couch it in real biology because biology is a theme of the film.
Pachterballs
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they aren't genetically identical; already previously explained so I'll let you go look it up.
Watched the film in IMAX 3D over the weekend, what a visceral joyride into the sci-fi genre - couldn't be more happier about Ridley Scott's direction in this one; amazingly detailed and highly unsettling at the same.
Almost makes me want to wish for a movie entirely on David and the new class of androids; his character was so perfectly executed it sent quite a few chills down my spine - and I almost had a nerdgasm when I heard Fassbender purposefully avoided seeing the Alien movies, and instead watched BladeRunner along with a few other films Scott requested he watch for preparation
The one gripe I had about the film while watching it was the complete lack of acknowledgement of the sheer improbability of the human species evolving from Space Jockey DNA over hundreds of millions of years through darwinian natural selection, and ending up 'in their image'. Some are suggesting the Engineers had a guiding hand in the evolutionary process.. but over millions of years? And in that time, the Engineers themselves have not evolved / been wiped out, or changed in appearance.. AT ALL? Yeah it's just a movie, but it started this.
Finally, I really felt the case of the extraterrestrial / 'gods' was not necessarily strengthened by representing the Engineers as overly masculine, male-generic figures. A more androgynous representation would have beenpolitically correct less subjective and more acceptable.
Almost makes me want to wish for a movie entirely on David and the new class of androids; his character was so perfectly executed it sent quite a few chills down my spine - and I almost had a nerdgasm when I heard Fassbender purposefully avoided seeing the Alien movies, and instead watched BladeRunner along with a few other films Scott requested he watch for preparation
The one gripe I had about the film while watching it was the complete lack of acknowledgement of the sheer improbability of the human species evolving from Space Jockey DNA over hundreds of millions of years through darwinian natural selection, and ending up 'in their image'. Some are suggesting the Engineers had a guiding hand in the evolutionary process.. but over millions of years? And in that time, the Engineers themselves have not evolved / been wiped out, or changed in appearance.. AT ALL? Yeah it's just a movie, but it started this.
Finally, I really felt the case of the extraterrestrial / 'gods' was not necessarily strengthened by representing the Engineers as overly masculine, male-generic figures. A more androgynous representation would have been
The movie said that humans and the engineers were "100%".... Unless my eyes were deceiving me.
where can i see more, might end up buying it...
Speedymanic
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http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7137
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/243
Was hoping mine would be delivered yesterday, but nothing. Hopefully tomorrow.
The two DNA sequences were overlayed visually, I remember Shaw whispering "it's a match", however I wonder what the usefulness of a 100% match is, even if that was the case.
I remember smiling heavily that moment when she found the DNA was the same.. it pretty much spat in the face of evolutionary development due to natural environment and survival.. could almost feel the Darwin inside me turning inside his grave at that moment.
I have a hunch Weyland just went with the cheapest options, would be something he would do.
Hmm...I dunno...I don't think the engineers are gods as such...also Shaw wanting her cross back represents surely that she know the Engineers are not gods (re-affirming her belief in Jesus) and begging the question who created the Engineers...
Also, because not even two humans (unless they are twins) are 100% matches. But for the analysis, I gave them the benefit of the doubt though, and interpreted the 100% to mean within the reasonable range of the human genome.
Speedymanic
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or perhaps they were the only ones who were willing to take the risk of traveling so far into the unknown.
There's also the financial aspect with Fifield spelling it out pretty early on - I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money.
Seems they scrapped the bottom of the barrel for everyone bar those who Vickers/Weyland hand picked personally. (also gives that comment some relevance as there's no real reason for her to say it)
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After spending a trillion on the mission, I don't think it would have been very costly to hire people competent enough to make it back home.
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Speedymanic
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Maybe he didn't want a crew that was overly competent? After all, his only reason for funding the mission is to meet the makers and hope they give him the secret of immortality.
Or maybe he chose people who were blood match so if he happened to suffer any organ failure, etc he could harvest their organs for himself?
Seemed like the kind of guy who would do something like that.
Pachterballs
Banned
it will continue though.i expect at least a sequel. I hope RS helms it though.
Yeah, some odd choices in the crew - that retarded geologist who acted like a hooligan - a GEOLOGIST! you'd expect a space faring geologist to not be such a shitbag. + biologist nerd (who I think got cast because they wanted billpaxton 2.0 - same sorta shit eating grin). The biologist guy not freaking out when penisworm bared its mouth and instead leaned in to pet an unknown species was ... .. um, yeah.
In contrast, the asian copilot and his french (?) buddy were both fairly normal guys. No dramas, dependable to the end
Well then again not all movies tie all the knots together in the end.
Salvor.Hardin
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Saw this a second time today after a few drinks and I loved it. I'm confident that when Lindelof is no longer topical, this movie will become a cult favourite. It's just really fun, and the stupid character decisions mixed with the endless questions make it all the better.
When this is just another bluray lying on your desk, you probably won't give much mind to the questionable character motivations, and instead just enjoy it for the gorgeous absurdity of it all.
When this is just another bluray lying on your desk, you probably won't give much mind to the questionable character motivations, and instead just enjoy it for the gorgeous absurdity of it all.
Yeah sure, but when Dr. Shaw mentions she really wants to know why the Engineers decided to wipe out mankind and then takes off on a spaceship to their homeplanet, along with all the other stuff that wasn't that clear then it seems pretty obvious that they were hinting at a sequel.
Oh man. My brain hurts. He spends a minute talking about some fan script he found, then goes off on a random tangent. This guy has over 10,000 videos?
For once, Youtube comments are on the money. Honestly, i'm not sure he even found a fan script. It just seems like he threw out a few common knowledge details, and was just using the name of an upcoming, anticipated film to get more hits.
Remember the storm, signal to them coming ba sporadically etc, mapping system could easily have been messin up
They Also werent trying to get out during the storm, and previously the ship's effort were in trying to bring back shaw and the others
Deified Data
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At first, the suicidal stupidity of the characters in Prometheus was my biggest complaint about the film. Then I rewatched Alien for the first time in years and it no longer bothers me.
"Hey guys, let's split up!"
*stares vacantly at pulsating egg while unknown organic lifeform within prepares to hug my face*
Ash is so much more conspicuously evil than David is.
"Hey guys, let's split up!"
*stares vacantly at pulsating egg while unknown organic lifeform within prepares to hug my face*
Ash is so much more conspicuously evil than David is.
Hot Coldman
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I liked it a lot! Just the CG alien at the end (boooooooooooo) and "RUN LEFT YOU TOSSERS" that annoyed me. But yes, very nice companion piece to the original (and still superior) film.
I saw it, and I also thought it was a nice design, because fingerprints are used to distinguish us, they give you an identity, isolate you. And for the androids, the "W" is the mark that they are all the same.
I've been trying for 2 days now to wrap my head around how anyone can find Prometheus to be little more then pretty looking nonsense, I've seen theories , plot dissections and still nothing. As a horror film it's rarely scary and there's almost never any tension, the characters are all so under developed and unlikable that I never once gave a single shit about their well being. It did indeed look stunning and the theater I was in had fantastic sound too. It's just... well given the hype for this one I expected there would be this amazing movie underneath it all and we instead end up with a plot that has nothing, gains nothing, ends with less somehow and also leaves itself open for a never ending stream of sequels.
I do indeed understand where they were going with the plot, all the things that were being implied , it's just I don't understand why they thought it was a story worth telling. The majesty of the first couple of alien films is that the alien xenomorphs are a mysterious unknown killing machine , knowing how they came to be is pointless and for me at least, serves only to weaken the impact of such a remorseless killing machine.
I do indeed understand where they were going with the plot, all the things that were being implied , it's just I don't understand why they thought it was a story worth telling. The majesty of the first couple of alien films is that the alien xenomorphs are a mysterious unknown killing machine , knowing how they came to be is pointless and for me at least, serves only to weaken the impact of such a remorseless killing machine.
Zoramon089
Banned
You act like evolution requires drastic changes...they're brought about by advantageous traits surviving and weaker ones being wiped out. Although unlikely it's not impossible. Especially considering the planet they landed on had similar conditions to Earth (gravity, atmosphere, etc) that they could walk around without their helmets on aside from the higher levels of CO2
Freshmaker
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They never said he was emotionless. Just that he lacked a soul. (Which clearly pissed him off during the orientation.)
symphonask
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Yep, he smiled and bore it. He does it multiple times in the movie, like when Holloway chastised him for wearing a helmet. 'Trick is not minding it hurts '
Another example of plot been put before science. Which is reasonable really - but is the only reasonable explanation to the incongruence you perceive (i.e. between plot-points and the science of the movie).
But if you must square that little 'fact' with how such a similar genetic match could still express such large differences...
Then simply - look at the clusters of two isolated population groups in humanity.
It is possible to have very large, tall, completely black people (who actually exist as a group)... and also very small, short, squat, white people (don't exist as a group, but could if you selected all the white squat people in the population and made them breed)... but still be considered human.
As for cultural selection - selection could have happened before rational advancement - by the time they were beyond caring about that sort of thing, the genetic deviation allowing for darker skin tones had been wiped out.
If you're not going to take that... then you'll just have to accept that some of these choices were made for dramatic reasons and not because they figured out the particular details of the science behind it.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Fucking disappointing. Can't believe I was hyped for this movie.
Thread title should be changed to Shitetheus.
Thread title should be changed to Shitetheus.
Count Dookkake
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I don't agree, but fixed.
Talladega Knight
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I liked it, but just for shits and giggles:
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Demoncarnotaur
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Not 1, not 2, not 3...but 9!
Im really hoping we get to see this play out in a directors cut.
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