Are people really serious about shaw warning earth of a engineer attack? That would mean that they would ask Shaw for coordinations of where the planet is so earth forces can "explore and secure" the black goo. If she doesn't give any clue where the planet is whole earths forces would go out searching for the engineer planet ferking up everything anyhow
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B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Peter O'Toole should have played Weyland.
:lol, perfect.
I think the original choice of Max von Sydow would've been good as well.
What the hell has Guy Pearce done to warrant being third on the fucking credits?!? I mean, I like LA Confidential, Memento, and all - but he was in the movie for like five minutes and has done fuck all with his career since then. Completley avoidable ruining of a twist (which granted was a shitty shitty twist anyways. but then you spend the whole movie waiting for Weyland to wake up and its just shitty. ugh.)
Whatever. I blame Lindelof.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Pearce and Sydow do look close enough to pull off both playing the character at their respective ages.
I feel sorry for Pearce giving such a good performance and having it undermined by one of the few bad visual effects in the movie.
Just go watch The Proposition.
The movie is full of holes no doubt, however most if not all of these are easily explained.
I've seen it. I like Pearce. A lot. My point is the billing. the proposition, LA Confidential, Memento - these are not big hits. he should not be third in the billing if his character is supposed to be a secret. It just makes no fucking sense.
but that's just minor gripes in a movie filled with major ones :lol (and I liked Prometheus!)
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Gotcha', I'm not really a fan of following celeb news, I assumed he was know to a lot of people.
oktarb
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Pretty much. He was looking for a way to repair Weyland's dying body. They had no idea what they had nor did they care if someone died in any experimentation. David's prime directive was to save Weyland, he was bound my that.
Just guessing. But I think they chose a younger guy instead of an old guy to play weyland cause they'll probably do some flashback(or maybe clone) scenes showing a younger weyland.
Been answered alot, basically Weyland telling David "Try harder", David is curious, etc.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Weyland, talks to David though the dream machine, tells him to go further in finding out about the Space Jockeys, David then tricks the douche into saying he would do anything for more information about the SJ.
Then David tests the goo on him to see what happens. When this fails he then finds out about the cunt squid and decides to let that come to term for the same end of having something to experiment on.
While it looks like David takes joy in these actions it's actually just a way of his programming making him carry out orders ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7YK2uKxil8
this vid shows that liking Laurence of Arabia was something David was made to do, showing his joy though servitude to his programming.
Most directors would have made it a duel role, they probably had rewrites and just decided to use Guy to the full extent of his contract rather then hire yet another actor.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Movie should have opened with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGwwJEE7k48
Nappuccino
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I would be very happy if they introduce a young weyland clone played by Guy for the sequel.
That's what Ridley Scott's been saying, right? I don't understand why everyone is so obsessed with the Alien-Prometheus relationship.
Baller. PhD
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i'm dying here
Because the whole Alien tie-in was done rather poorly and seemed like fan service, especially the Deacon thing at the end. He should've just made it an old school horror flick and called it "The Black Goo" or something.
Pachterballs
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I'm also surprised that the rather shitty Alien3. It is rather shitty alien3 is ranked higher than P.
like come on. Its not just a shitty alien film; its a shitty film
Pachterballs
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I can't believe you wrote that much and so much of it refutable anyhow
She can just use the stasis pod and otherwise might have had some supplies she took from the survival module or buggy for immediate sustenance (she had the climbing equipment after all).
This thread continues to get worse. Remind me to never watch movies with you.
Freshmaker
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More plausible yet, it reacts differently to different genetic makeups.
Because it is an Alien prequel
plus, David even asks - how far would you go? and the idiot's like "all the way, bitches." (and insults David along the way). So as far as David's concerned, it's cool with Shaw's idiot boyfriend and everyone gets what they wants.
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Funny how dangerous the black goo was, yet when the alien ship with a cargo hold full of it crashed it was like "no big deal, oil spill I guess".
And don't tell me that maybe the cargo hold was empty of that stuff; that engineer would have gone back to Earth with empty loads.
And don't tell me that maybe the cargo hold was empty of that stuff; that engineer would have gone back to Earth with empty loads.
oktarb
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I was going to respond to your responses but then my brain started to hurt. You're jumping on me for writing too much when you responded with "not sure what to rite here "...
My comments were a fun attempt at some satire on some weak points I found in the writing. There were a ton of awesome parts as well.
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Anton Sugar
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Wasn't the medical bay supposed to not be seen by the crew, anyway? I always assumed the entire purpose of it was for Weyland, not for the crew.
Um yes? You just saw the whole crew die. Your theories were wrong. You have two options:
1. Go back, get healthy, take some proof with you (I am sure she could have taken something), and then tell mankind. And they had the coordinates did they not? How else did they set sail to get to that solar system? Or were they aimlessly floating around in space hoping Prometheus would somehow find the exact planet they were looking for? Didn't her BF mention that the solar system, up to now, had been too far for them to travel to?
2. Or you know just travel on your own on an alien ship to an alien planet not knowing if these things are still alive, if their planet is overridden with the the Xeno's or whatever creatures killed the space jockeys AND all with no weapons.
I feel like they just sent her off to whatever only to prevent her getting back to Earth which would completely ruin the first Alien movie.
MrCompletely
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Except for the surgical unit configured for a man, that was clearly for weyland, not vickers
Of course. Nothing to lose. "Alien species bent on destroying mankind? Failed a long time ago, but that one survivor we found resumed the mission as soon as he saw us? Let's go and find more of them!"
Shaw is an idiot.
And yet, there was life (the worms and that one Engineer, at the very least).
Vickers did.
Because they had explored the whole moon already and determined that was the only alien corpse?
So specific and helpful, too.
But... But... "100% match"?
Still pretty damn stupid to have such a machine be configured for men only...
And besides, if people thought she was crazy or whatever on Earth and didn't believe her, she had David's head, which is pretty much an intelligent black box for all intents and purposes.
Karma Kramer
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Thanks, but I think the movie succeeded in getting that across. People are just wrapped up with trying to close all the loose ends they are missing the bigger picture. Though I suspect in time these things will float to our sub-conscious surface.
LaserBuddha
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I thought the reason for not going back to earth was crystal clear to anyone watching this movie: Because their only means of getting back was in a ship carrying horrible weapons that would destroy our entire species, weapons which escaped the control of even their own super-advanced creators.
I mean, you guys *do* remember the conversation between Shaw and the pilot Janek, right? Going back to Earth was the absolute worst decision she could have made and would have ruined the film for me (continuity aside).
LaserBuddha
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So let's say they somehow understand the workings of all of this bio weaponry more than they possibly could, and removed all trace of threat from the ship (which they couldn't since the majority of the threat was microscopic and leaking all over the place). Then the best case scenario is that they land on Earth, and all the major governments immediately set out to be the first ones to gain control over this technology. It would basically be the scenario that Ripley fought against more than anything in the Alien movies.
Ok I am going to drop it but your point doesn't negate mine. She says to Janek to that going back to Earth AND not destroying the Space Jockey would be the end of Earth. Not that just going to Earth would be terrible.
My point was, and its not just this one instance, a lot of the decisions seemed extremely rash especially for people who are supposed to be intelligent. The jump between scenes almost made it seem like there was scenes or conversations missing. Things just happen and no one questions it. FLY THE SHIP INTO THE ALIEN SHIP? SURE!
David wants to go back to Earth? Shaw thinks they should continue the mission? OK COOL!
First half of the movie was nicely set up but the 2nd half was so rushed.
you and me both.
Freshmaker
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I'm betting that if she doesn't like the answer the Engineers supply, she's going to dose them with that goo.
LaserBuddha
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Janek said that nothing from that ship could get back to Earth, and he was right. It's living, it's viral, and it consumed the local members of the species that is 10,000,000x more capable of containing it than we are (not to mention that the Engineers on that ship were the specialists of the species in containing and using these bio weapons). It also went without saying in this film, as well as in the Alien films, that letting it fall into the hands of governments or corporations would be a terrible thing. To get to my point, it would have been recklessness against the entire human race to allow a single microbe to get back to Earth.
The film is in desperate need of a longer running time. I thought the beginning was particularly rushed.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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This sums up the film pretty well, I think:
wasnt Prometheus supposed to be two movies? maybe there is still an hour and half footage that got cut.
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