Wada: No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped
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Glass Rebel
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Only if they use the Dissidia design for the WoL. Truly the most badass FF character. He has horns ffs!
They'd probably play something as pretty as:
Edit: This actually could work. Quicktime events replacing the now obsolete ATB with familiar old-school menus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKVKLPB8llo
How about don't remake anything, stop porting shit, and put your time and money into making a proper full new FF with at least 6-8 party members, a large world, towns with plenty of useful NPCs and interesting side-quests. Get some Sakimoto in there for soundtrack as well.
I hate the combat in XIII so much, I would prefer they just do some kind of partial turn based again. I just hate feeling like I'm getting it by enemy attacks that are area based because I have 0 control over where characters are standing. At least in last remnant you can get them to move back out of the way of attacks and stuff. Less QTE, less cinematic combat, more actual depth. Bring back gambits, loved having step by step control of a character's 'AI'. Dragon Age and Tales of Innocence used similar systems, though not as well.
I hate the combat in XIII so much, I would prefer they just do some kind of partial turn based again. I just hate feeling like I'm getting it by enemy attacks that are area based because I have 0 control over where characters are standing. At least in last remnant you can get them to move back out of the way of attacks and stuff. Less QTE, less cinematic combat, more actual depth. Bring back gambits, loved having step by step control of a character's 'AI'. Dragon Age and Tales of Innocence used similar systems, though not as well.
I would actually prefer a remake of FFVIII. It wouldn't run the risk of tainting my whole childhood if it turned out to be bad.
Also I've always really loved the game world and have always wanted to see what Balamb Garden would look like with a modern game engine. Do it Square.
Also I've always really loved the game world and have always wanted to see what Balamb Garden would look like with a modern game engine. Do it Square.
That would be pretty sweet as well, I loved the start of he game so much, from the music to the design of the school. Too bad the game is terrible after the first disk.
TheJollyCorner
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phantomsnake
Neo Member
If FFXIII is the best they can do these days FF might as well be done with. An FFVII remake would at least restore some faith in the company.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
The game isn't terrible after the first disk, it's terrible from the moment you start the game.
You know what I just realized? If there was a way to model-mod the FF13 characters, you could rewrite FF13's story to be a decent FF8 remake. Same fast-paced on the run theme, teams splitting to do missions, trains as the main transport...
The characters' attack animations mostly match up, too. Sazh = Irvine. Fang = Selphie. Vanille = Quistis. Lightning = Squall. Snow = Zell. Hope = Rinoa.
I liked the first few hours, it just spirals into the biggest pile of nonsense in RPG history after that. There are countless plot points and events that are 'what the fuck is going on, why the fuck'.
DrewM1788
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24. FFVII has not been topped, but IX ties it in quality IMO. Also, every Final Fantasy since VII has been between good and excellent, with XII being my least favorite. Haven't played XIV.
KO Traveling Hobo
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XII's gameplay was fantastic, but the story was boring as hell. Not to mention that all of the sidequests and exploration kill any sense of tension or pacing.
VII's story might have been an absurd mess, but at least it was entertaining.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
28. Final Fantasy IX was the last Final Fantasy game I played. From the looks of things, the series went into all kinds of stupid directions afterwards, and I'm fairly confident that FFX-through-whatever can not and will not appeal to me the way Final Fantasy IX and VI do, so perfect are those games.
CaptainMintMan
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I want a FFIX remake more than anything. Or something that takes place in the same universe.
Seraphinianus
Banned
Oh man, all that extra gameplay in a video game got in the way of the story? so sorry to hear.
Boss Man
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IX is a better game IMO (not by a ton or anything), but I can't believe that people think no one cares about FFVII any more. I see more Cloud/Sephiroth references in names and crap than anything. It's huge. In 15 more years, maybe that will be different...but right now it's definitely still an automatic goldmine.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
That's ok Wada, everybody really wants a remake of FF6 anyway.
Lolololol, funny because it's true.
Muffdraul
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I have Wada's back on this. Every FF is a bundle of flawed awesomeness. Pound for pound, FFVII can take all comers, with the exception of FFVI. Much as I love many of the FFs that followed VII, I don't think any of them have ever quite reached that high water mark in terms of... I don't even know what to call it. Y'know... je ne sais quoi.
Personally, I couldn't give less of a shit about an FFVII remake. A complete re-localization would be nice, though.
43, discovered FF in 1992 w/ FFIV.
I should probably also mention that I'm not much an FF fan these days. After sticking with the series through thick and thin for almost 20 years, FFXIII finally pushed me over the line and I found out what it was like to be one those jaded haters that started coming out of the woodwork in late '97.
Personally, I couldn't give less of a shit about an FFVII remake. A complete re-localization would be nice, though.
43, discovered FF in 1992 w/ FFIV.
I should probably also mention that I'm not much an FF fan these days. After sticking with the series through thick and thin for almost 20 years, FFXIII finally pushed me over the line and I found out what it was like to be one those jaded haters that started coming out of the woodwork in late '97.
KO Traveling Hobo
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When talking about Final Fantasy of all things, story is definitely just as important as gameplay. FF7 didn't reach the heights it did because of its gameplay.
BobTheFork
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Maybe not topped since then, but 6 was better IMO. I loved 12 but it was totally off the rails (which to be fair happens to most FF games). If feels like that moment where they take the first arc or smaller problem and turn it into the FATE OF THE WORLD it goes to shit. I thought 6 did a great job of that by having the world of ruin. Seven wasn't too horrible but it still gets wonky. Twelve might have been my favorite game up until they suddenly pull 'the hidden door of all creation with ultimate power' out of thier ass.
Is that still the case though?
I think past last gen, the importance of story has taken a backseat to gameplay. With 10, 10-2, 12, 13, and 13-2, you can easily say that their combat systems are better than 7's, even if you are looking through nostalgia goggles. The settings and lore are better developed. For "Final Fantasy", do we necessarily have to give story equal weight or worse yet assign it greater importance? That was how we got 13.
I'm not sure who is looking forward to Versus 13 for the story and characters; I know I'm not. I'm expecting interesting gameplay systems, an intriguing world, both of which should be moderately engaging. But awesome story from the guy behind Kingdom Hearts?
I agree that FF7's story probably propelled its popularity, but I also think times have changed.
Mechanized
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Strange way of saying never.
Takeda Kenshi
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Well this certainly explains why FFVI hasn't been properly remade yet.
Tag quooooooooooote
27, FF9 and 12 crushes it in every way.
Saint Gregory
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The way XII started I really thought it had the potential to be one of the best entries in the series but damn if you can't practically feel the moment that Matsuno-san got pulled off the project.
It's like all the game narrative just suddenly stops and next thing you know you're at the end boss :/
I knew it! I always thought they wouldn't bring out a remake/redesign until they had something else that was considered a success. They want something hang their hat on, before they give the audience what they want. FF7 only happens if it was a last ditch effort to bring in revenue or they had another FF that was widely adored.
They should look back and take a handful of the FFs that people liked (6, 7, 8, or whatever). Take whatever engine they're currently using and extend the universes of those games. Same battle systems, same/new characters, new stories, same lore. It allows them to iterate on the engine, saves them time thinking up new combat systems (hell they've made 13+ iterations), gives them a base lore, all the trappings fans love, and instant fan excitement and loyalty (for the most part). Hopefully with that type of template, they could get the games out in a reasonable fashion and maybe discover what made the earlier ones so popular.
They should look back and take a handful of the FFs that people liked (6, 7, 8, or whatever). Take whatever engine they're currently using and extend the universes of those games. Same battle systems, same/new characters, new stories, same lore. It allows them to iterate on the engine, saves them time thinking up new combat systems (hell they've made 13+ iterations), gives them a base lore, all the trappings fans love, and instant fan excitement and loyalty (for the most part). Hopefully with that type of template, they could get the games out in a reasonable fashion and maybe discover what made the earlier ones so popular.
demosthenes
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Yea, Someone should talk to so SE employees and see how they feel about this and Wada :lol
Go_Ly_Dow
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this thread perfectly demonstrates how difficult it is for square to please their fanbase.
just too many conflicting opinions and emotions over what makes ff appealing and what the best game is. even if vii does have the biggest single fanbase, the fanbase for all the other titles combined most likely exceeds that by a large margin.
...and then you have the divide between that group as well...
this is exactly the message i got from this as well.
just too many conflicting opinions and emotions over what makes ff appealing and what the best game is. even if vii does have the biggest single fanbase, the fanbase for all the other titles combined most likely exceeds that by a large margin.
...and then you have the divide between that group as well...
this is exactly the message i got from this as well.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I'm absolutely looking forward to Versus's story. Story is a prominent element for FF's franchise, so much that even fightning games like Dissidia got one. I also enjoy K.Nojima's stories and he's taking care with Nomura of Versus's scenario, so even more than one reason to look forward to it.
I was sleepy so I didn't get the message. T_T Schala so smart.
If it's so prominent then I'm wondering why they retconned XIII with XIII-2's story making story look almost irrelevant.
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I don't know how anyone can say IX is a better game, IX is the worst of the playstation final fantasy's.
X is the best final fantasy since VI.
bigdaddygamebot
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They did, it was called IX.
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I don't get it.
PrinceOfApathy
Banned
30 ( ashamed to add more numbers ). I have played all Final Fantasies besides FF11 and FF14, and none, none of them have come close to to FF7. Final Fantasy 7 wasn't best narration ever created, but it felt like the only game that was story boarded in any coherent fashion. The game had clear beginning, middle and end and was told in succinct fashion, and it was damn good at what it told. None of the other Final Fantasies besides 9 have come that close to telling a decent narrative.
To this day Final Fantasy 7 still has the best into sequence, only rivaled by the introduction of Final Fantasy 10 which took a steep dive off the cliff into unbearable tropes.
To this day Final Fantasy 7 still has the most memorable moments. Cloud stealing Zack's life after the incident, Sephiroth going insane and falling over the ledge. How Cloud was introduced to Aeris.
The most memorable locations.
The most memorable characters. The Turks. Rufus. Every character had great side stories. Barret and Sids was amazing. Yuffie not so much.
This was all possible because of the clear, concise plot elements that were laid out expertly throughout the game. Everything in this game was well detailed, well thought out, and all of the plot elements came together to tie in with the game-play. It was brilliantly done. I have yet to play a Final Fantasy that well paced, with characters and locations.
In comparison to FFXII that NEVER GOT off the ground, or the laughable stupidity in FF8. Those games were outright bad games, its hard to wrestle with which of those games was worse FF8, FFXII or FFXIII. These games are abominations not only from a game-play, design and mechanical stand point, but they commit grievous, irreparable , errors in the plot consistently. Consistently!
Its not what story is told, it's how you tell it and all other games have failed with the exception FF9, but that has other problems.
To this day Final Fantasy 7 still has the best into sequence, only rivaled by the introduction of Final Fantasy 10 which took a steep dive off the cliff into unbearable tropes.
To this day Final Fantasy 7 still has the most memorable moments. Cloud stealing Zack's life after the incident, Sephiroth going insane and falling over the ledge. How Cloud was introduced to Aeris.
The most memorable locations.
The most memorable characters. The Turks. Rufus. Every character had great side stories. Barret and Sids was amazing. Yuffie not so much.
This was all possible because of the clear, concise plot elements that were laid out expertly throughout the game. Everything in this game was well detailed, well thought out, and all of the plot elements came together to tie in with the game-play. It was brilliantly done. I have yet to play a Final Fantasy that well paced, with characters and locations.
In comparison to FFXII that NEVER GOT off the ground, or the laughable stupidity in FF8. Those games were outright bad games, its hard to wrestle with which of those games was worse FF8, FFXII or FFXIII. These games are abominations not only from a game-play, design and mechanical stand point, but they commit grievous, irreparable , errors in the plot consistently. Consistently!
Its not what story is told, it's how you tell it and all other games have failed with the exception FF9, but that has other problems.
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EVERYTHING ! ;_;