Rashad can barely keep cardio at the weight he fights at now.
He would be murdered.
Plus if Machida can make him drop that fast, Silva would cripple him.
UFC 148 |OT| Shattering the myth that is Anderson Silva - 7.7.2012
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Rashad can barely keep cardio at the weight he fights at now.
He would be murdered.
Plus if Machida can make him drop that fast, Silva would cripple him.
AlphaSnake
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His coach is. Not him. Allegedly. His manager is denying it, though.
I think Chael just wants another rematch, personally. But he knows that he lost the fight.
Not a Jellyfish
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According to bloody elbow, quote from his coach is that Chael received 8 stitches on his tongue and that the knee did hit his face...really does not look like that from replays. haha
Pristine_Condition
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LOL
That isn't even the best knee done in the octagon this year, much less what "anything anyone in the octagon has done."
Come on, now...Jose Aldo's instantaneous, perfectly-placed, spinning knee in Jan was more impressive:
http://thecagedoctors.com/2012/01/jose-aldos-killer-knee-ko-gif/
For that matter, the same Jose Aldo's double-pump flying knee against Cub Swanson was easily just as impressive as this one.
I understand the enthusiasm for Silva. He's a great fighter doing great things...but you guys are taking this thing way too far, to the point where you are being insulting to other fighters out there.
You are correct, further details have since emerged and it was his coach, not him, who tried to file an appeal to NSAC. Chael should keep his coaches in check, this reflects negatively on him whether he was involved or not.
He probably bit his tongue because Anderson's thigh hit him in the face.
BigKaboom2
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I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head.
Most people see a knee cap hit sonnens face. I don't, but thats because I'm not blind.
Thighs to the face are illegal?
Not a Jellyfish
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I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
Deciding against it because in that situation it is about where the knee lands, it is a knee strike that lands in the chest. The rest of that contact is not intended, I understand what you are saying but from Lavigne's perspective it is a legal strike. The intent is to hit with his knee, not with his thigh.
I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
Seems like that pointy ass knee seems to strike a chest first... with the thigh attached to that knee following through....Legal.
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Big Baybee
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I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
That knee is dead in the middle of his chest, lol.
perineumlick
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Against a standing opponent.
perineumlick
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I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
Everyone is seeing a kneecap destroy a chest. Look at the point of impact. Totally legal. The thigh is just incidental contact from the follow through.
His trainer already got shot down by NSAC officials and has resorted to bitching on the internet for a rematch, much like his fans.
Insane Metal
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I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
Because he saw it actually hit Sonnen's chest and not his face?
I'm not an expert but that looks like a knee hitting his chest. And his head going back from the strength of that hit.
K-1 Rashad finished Tito with the same knee at 133. Let's keep the myth of Canderson alive though.
Give Sonnen credit though, he did not crumple nearly as bad as Tito
perineumlick
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From a clinch. Easy as pie. Let's keep the downplaying of Anderson alive though.
Pristine_Condition
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There are incidental contacts to the groin where the ref steps in, and the fouled fighter is allowed to recover as a matter of routine.
Since the Unified Rules of MMA are established (whether you disagree with them or not,) to protect the health of the fighters, clearly a possibly concussive illegal strike to the head (incidental or not) is more of a risk to the health of the fighter than a strike to the groin (incidental or not) so it should be treated by the ref in at least the same way. Also, the same rules allow the ref to stop the action and check the replay. The ref in this case failed to do either.
OpinionatedCyborg
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It looked hugely illegal since it is extremely rare to see knees and the like delivered to a downed opponent in that manner. Yves sprang into action based on instinct before the evolved part of his brain kicked in and recognized it was a legal move. He was probably already primed to intervene since he already had warned Silva about grabbing at the shorts. Good reffing on his part.I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
Brian Fellows
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I can do it. I'm just not a big show off like Anderson.
Pristine_Condition
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A moving opponent--a moving opponent going for a shoot, a shoot by a good wrestler which started when Aldo still had his back turned. Aldo instantly recognizes this and places the knee perfectly, redirecting the strike in mid-flight to do so. Follow Aldo's eyes, and how he redirects the knee. It's amazing.
http://thecagedoctors.com/2012/01/jose-aldos-killer-knee-ko-gif/
Silva had a whole lot more time to aim that knee than Aldo did by comparison.
You are the one doing the downplaying here. Not anyone else.
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bloodydrake
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perineumlick
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I'm talking about degree of difficulty, nothing else. Anderson's knee had a huge chance of being a DQ, and to deliver it from a standing position against a prone opponent with his back to the cage took a lot of nerve. You guys are making it seem like that type of knee is commonplace, but it isn't, and the reason it isn't is because it's extremely risky.
RBelong2Us
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Ya know, if Sonnen didn't protect his face and just let Silva break his face with a knee shot, he'd be MW champ right now!
Pristine_Condition
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The poster I was responding to basically said it was the greatest knee in the history of the UFC by saying "it's silly for anyone to try to downplay the knee and compare it to anything anyone in the octagon has done."
That's just silly talk.
You are downplaying the risks of the Aldo knee strike too. He threw that knee strike at an All-American wrestler. A guy who was 2nd place in the NCAAs. A guy who was a Pac-10 wrestler of the year. A Team Alpha Male guy.
Throwing knees against wrestlers is EXTREMELY risky. That's day-one MMA training stuff right there. You don't hit the wrestler in the face, he absorbs it, bang...you've just given him a deep single with your balance completely off.
TheKaeptain
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Anderson still hit first. It's a really fast jab.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Knee looked good to me. Can someone tell me how you would knee someone in the chest like that without some other part of your leg grazing his chin?
TheKaeptain
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Be Anderson Silva.
do sennon fans really want a rematch so he can get destroyed in another gif`able way? The guys problems happened after he couldn't pin anderson it seems. Thats really where he had the advantage in their first match. As soon as that was out of the window, silva was the better fighter.
It wasn't like it was close when they were standing, and the knee heard round the octagon put him out of commission.
It wasn't like it was close when they were standing, and the knee heard round the octagon put him out of commission.
It's the difference between a Chael Sonnen punch and an Anderson Silva punch.
Pristine_Condition
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You could put it down in the lower solar plexus or liver area instead. Which is where you'd do more damage than an upper sternum shot anyway.
Honestly, that knee placement, if you aren't going for the head, isn't the best idea. That's part of the reason I'm laughing so hard at these people talking about how perfect that knee was. If you ask Anderson, he'd probably tell you the knee missed.
I figure either Anderson:
1) Actually was going for the head just in the heat of the moment and missed it, or couldn't follow through because his forward movement kinda got moved when Sonnen's leg came up between Silva's legs, or the strike got blocked downward by Sonnen's hands/arms.
or
2) Anderson instinctively was going for the head and pulled it at the last moment as he thought better of it.
or
3) He was trying for the solar plexus or liver and missed, because Sonnen didn't do the expected and rise to his feet immediately. A great striker like Silva hits you where you are going to be, not where you currently are. When Sonnen did nothing for that moment, likely frozen because he was completely surprised he put himself on his ass with that silly backfist attempt and was caught between the idea of shooting for an ankle pick or rising for a moment, Anderson's blow hit where it hit, because Anderson expected him to get up.
To me, #3 is very likely. Silva was already targeting the liver with success during the fight. And everyone who has had experience in striking before knows that if you want to really hurt somebody--not just win, but make a guy experience pain--that's the best way to do it.
TheKaeptain
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The first place he hit Chael after he got up from getting hit by the knee was a kick to the Liver. Which is what put Chael down.
parrotbeak
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I kinda love what Forrest did, even more so in the post presser when Tito was all salty cuz he wanted Rogan to be the one to give his last interview because Rogan was the first to interview him after his first UFC fight. Forrest was all, sorry, I didn't realize you guys had that history together. Ya, like how Rogan interviews every fighter after every fight for the last 15 years.
BigKaboom2
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To me it looks like either simultaneous impact to the jaw and chest, or the jaw slightly before. Regardless if I were Yves Lavigne and saw that at full speed from a bad angle and saw Anderson's leg make contact with Sonnen's head, I would call it a foul. AFAIK almost no one thought it was legal until the replay a minute after the fight ended. Maybe Yves Lavigne has a superhuman eagle eye like Silva has superhuman knee placement ability.
I think it was illegal even with the slow mo, but without it there would have been no doubt in my mind.
And I haven't even gotten around to taking issue with the stoppage which came after 3 or 4 blocked strikes. Not that Sonnen popped right up and complained or anything but I still don't think it was appropriate.
I feel like there's this huge contingent of people who are under the impression that certain leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent are legal, which is not the case. I mean...
What is everyone seeing that I'm not seeing? There's zero doubt that Silva's leg impacts Sonnen's head, and you could see Lavigne rushing in to do something, then suddenly deciding against it.
You need to go to the eye doctor, buddy. The knee doesn't come anywhere near his face. Neither does his thigh. His head moves because the rest of his body does, that's how physics work.
Unregistered007
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oh shit keyboard warrior
parrotbeak
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Intentionally spiking the opponent's head to the mat is also illegal but people have been ko'ed by slams and lost.
oh shit a dumbass
yea, Forrest went backstage immediately to give Tito the spotlight, but it completely backfired on him when Dana White told him to "GET THE FUCK BACK IN THE CAGE." From then on out, Forrest managed to make Tito's night even worst lol. Dana should of just let Forrest be Forrest and let him run out of there.
parrotbeak
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Forrest said he didn't know why he ran out but it was emotional and he was already heading back to the cage when Dana told him to get back in. He had already ruined Tito's special night by not throwing the fight. Tito should have retired after Bader. Just like how after 153 people are going to say Rampage should have retired after Bader.
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