The reason L4D2 competitive modes (but not the co-op modes) are so unfriendly to newcomers is because one poor player can very easily lose the game for the whole team and full games can often last 1-2hrs. It's particularly annoying when the new player doesn't have any idea what they are doing and runs off or attacks on their own and doesn't listen or communicate. The new player is just trying to have fun, but what they are doing is inadvertently trolling the rest of their team, hence rage kicks.
Steam Summer Sales 2012 Thread 2: No One I Know Voted for Nixon
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zerokoolpsx
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Hey Wario, I can get you L4D2. I don't have either lol. Are there others interested in a L4D2 4 pack?
The nexuiz you played on linux and the nexuiz that's on steam are two COMPLETELY different games. They just share the same name, or did until they took the license.
Trust me when I say this do not buy nexuiz. The single thing it has going for it is that it looks nice but other than that its unoptimized and online is a lag fest due to netcode issues, people will literally be warping all over the map. There's no form of momentum in movement either, like strafe jumping, last time I looked the devs said they would possibly look into it and the maps in the game are horrible. As a DM shooter there's better out there, even for free quake live & warsow. You might get an hour out of it and then you'll never go back to it because there's no reason to. Online is dead the last time I played.
The only one thing I'll say is that this is coming from someone who played quake competitively so I guess I would be judging it harsher than some people would be.
chixdiggit
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Keep moving and combo between your guns when needed..
Koroviev
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Ultimadrago
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I'll hit it up, zero!
So how do F2P games actually work if no one gives them any money?
Ahhh ok. Thanks
First l4d2 competitive game I played I got kicked because I went left instead of right. Never played those modes again.
Mostly just the enclosed areas that are getting me. Get attacked from both sides and go down real quick. I don't feel like it's actually all that hard of a game, I feel like there's just something that is not clicking for me yet.
I've heard the game can be REAL hard if you don't buy the right upgrades; I went straight for both of the grenade launchers, was that a bad idea? Think I remember the shotgun having a stun upgrade, seems like that could be useful.
csquared587
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I bought that Tribes starter pack a few days ago and it is my most played games since the sale started, besides SSFIV AE. Tribes is a lot of fun, can't see myself spending much more money on it though. Is anything worth buying instead of just grinding?
Koroviev
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Animu L4D2 pack, lol
zerokoolpsx
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Dr. Zoidberg
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ITSP is on my wishlist but I won't be buying it this sale. $8.99 is still too much and I certainly wasn't going to spend $9.99 on the pack when I didn't want or need anything else in the bundle it was in. So they won't be making any money from me at this point. As you say, a $4.99 flash sale would be better for them and many of us.
Yes, I understand that completely. However, I find the way the bundles are allocated to be inconvenient. It would make more sense to bundle the newer games together (even at a higher cost) than to lump old/new games in these $10 bundles. They should have cheaper bundles with old games most everyone has for the new users, and then more expensive bundles for those of us who are only missing the newer games. That way the new users get both and us old timers can pick up bundles that are more inline with what we need without duplicating things. It's just not customer friendly as-is and rubs me the wrong way.
I don't feel entitled, they can charge what they want, and I won't buy. Besides, I'm sure there will be a pay-what-you-want bundle with these games within the next few months where the pricing can be made more amenable.
pock3tmonster
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Is it worth owning both Left 4 Dead games? I bought the second when it won the Community vote and I've been having a blast, but wasn't sure if it was made obsolete.
shindoku21
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Must resist buying Alan Wake... just bought Just Cause 2 and Saints Row 3 which should last me awhile. I even have a Batman:AC key that I got when I built my PC. @_@
Nope you don't! Get it! It's awesome!
Koroviev
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Not from what I've heard.
No, to paraphrase another poster, it was simply released before Windows 7 was around. It *does* have GFWL, which can be patched out.
OmegaDragon
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People tend too kick way too quickly, but such a miscoordination can lose you the game. If you went left when the rest all decided they would go left, the infected team had an opportunity to do loads of damage. And some spots are just lethal, if one thing goes wrong your team could get (almost) wiped easily.
Nevertheless, the VS mode is great if you have nice teams.
There's no point to getting L4D1 now. The best campaign in L4D1 got added to 2 as free DLC.
Unknown Soldier
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Ahahaha, go to the page for DAO:U and laugh at the trailer which for some reason has 30 Seconds to Mars playing over it.
Hispanicguy
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Thinking about picking up Waves:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/107600/?snr=1_7_suggest__13
This was the first time I've heard about this Geometry Wars-like game. I played the demo a few moments ago and, even though it only lets you play 1 mode, it was enough for me to consider a purchase.
Big fan of high score games.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/107600/?snr=1_7_suggest__13
This was the first time I've heard about this Geometry Wars-like game. I played the demo a few moments ago and, even though it only lets you play 1 mode, it was enough for me to consider a purchase.
Big fan of high score games.
Barrow Roll
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I am, I posted last page about it.
I'd like to do it, but i hope you can trust me on my word i can't pay until tomorrow, no access to a computer. Uk is even cheaper, btw
Edit: i am slooow.
MNC was interested it in first. I don't know what to do.
I just got it. I wasn't freakin' planning on it, but it's not gonna get any cheaper than that.
zerokoolpsx
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Alright!
Attackthebase
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Alan Wake is the better of the two. You won't regret buying it!
Ah. Odd that they call Windows 7 out specifically, but if it doesn't really matter, I'm gonna grab it. GFWL doesn't bother me personally.
I don't have a problem with devs being paid but it shows people are willing to pay for a booster pack, other developers could see this as "huh these people are willing to pay for a booster pack, lets not make a proper game, lets monotize everything instead!"
Do you really want a F2P future? REALLY?
Taco_Human
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I still think the first left 4 Dead is superior to the second. Better multiplayer focus and skill.
If you can afford it, go for it. I've been recommending this game all day as I swore I would if it appeared as a sale again, after playing it for a few hours. The atmosphere is top notch, the episodic structure is brilliant and although I can see how some people may think the mechanics become repetitive eventually, I still think the lightplay is a pretty neat concept and I'm having lots of fun with it, and I hear American Nightmare fixes those issues.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2811107
It means that some people's quad-core CPU's don't play nicely. Luck I guess?
diffusionx
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That's actually happened. Hundreds of times. We are already there. A Tribes booster pack is not going to change that. But keep fucking that chicken.
Unknown Soldier
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Lots of people give them money. F2P is an incredibly profitable model. Monthly subs is actually worse for many MMOs if the subscriber base is small in terms of profits. The most profitable MMOs not named WoW are all F2P. Maplestory pulls in unbelievable amounts of money, so much so that the publisher has enough money to buy EA.
chixdiggit
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TF2, Tribes, Blacklight, LOTRO, Air Mech, Dota 2, etc. Yes give me more.
pock3tmonster
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Thanks. I'll pass and keep enjoying the second.
I don't know if we suck but on the first campaign on Normal mode, my housemate and I failed the final level so many times before completion. I'm presuming it's easier with 4 human players versus 2 human and 2 AI.Absoludacrous
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You're right, this could set a dangerous precedent!
People are willing to pay because it's good value for what it is. For $5, they have a lot more options opened up to them without needing to put in more time. I don't mind so called "monotizing" games when the balance is acceptable and the progression isn't painfully slow for non-paying players.
And I wouldn't mind a F2P future at all, so long as it's for multiplayer games and it's handled well.
By the way, I saw somewhere that you can buy multiple copies of the Tribes starter pack if you create a new Steam account and launch it from there or some voodoo. It's by far the cheapest way to buy gold for your account thus far. I can scrounge up the link if someone wants.
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