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Throwing "Robin" in there was just an easter egg. If Blake takes over, he's wearing the cowl.

"If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal and if they can't stop you, you become something else entirely – a legend, Mr. Wayne."
 
PushTheButtonMax said:
Throwing "Robin" in there was just an easter egg. If Blake takes over, he's wearing the cowl.

"If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal and if they can't stop you, you become something else entirely – a legend, Mr. Wayne."
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Yeah but I am hoping he rocks a different suit. Will be pretty badass him learning the ways by himself unlike Bruce. Really liked when he shot those two dudes and realized it wasn't right to do that. Sort of thinking about it already.
 
PushTheButtonMax said:
Throwing "Robin" in there was just an easter egg. If Blake takes over, he's wearing the cowl.

"If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal and if they can't stop you, you become something else entirely – a legend, Mr. Wayne."
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THANK YOU! I was with my friends and they kept saying that Robin would become Nightwing and I reminded them of this quote that Blake would become Batman since Batman was an idea and symbol and could be anyone.
 
I enjoyed it. I liked the end at the coffee shop, very nice touch. I hated the Robin nod at the end though
I didn't like the way Bane was sent off though
 
Jarmel said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the full uncut version of this is over three hours. I want a Director's Cut for BD with all scenes added in.
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I feel the same in terms of the movie, but it was exact opposite for Bane.

First half Bane was perfect, second half was bad.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
My prediction for the film: most are on the major high of seeing it and totally in love. But over the next few months, the euphoria will subside and all the flaws will start to show, and it will just go to being a good movie. Not a great movie.
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Go back and read the thread--I'm ahead of the curve!

All joking aside, I think Ledger's performance was so memorable and so awesome that, the nitpicking was kept to a minimum for me on TDK.

This movie felt very disjointed at times and didn't have the style of the first two entries. It felt like a lot of the main cast was just going through the motions in many spots--Freeman and Oldman come to mind the most.

The new blood like JGL and Hardy were good but not great.

And there were a LOT more plotholes in TDKR.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Yeah but I am hoping he rocks a different suit. Will be pretty badass him learning the ways by himself unlike Bruce. Really liked when he shot those two dudes and realized it wasn't right to do that. Sort of thinking about it already.
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That was the moment I knew he was Robin.
 
Just got back from the theatre and I have to say it was really enjoyable for me, especially since i pretty much knew going in that it couldn't compare to the dark knight so I wanted to judge it on it's own. My only problem with the movie is why would you send an entire police force into an easily enclosed area? I can understand sending a good amount of police in, but the entire force? that doesn't really make sense. That's just a nitpick though and I don't want to nitpick too much, considering I really did like the film a lot. I know I am probably in the minority here but I liked it better than the Avengers, Nolan's films just carry their weight better to me. The whole finale of the Avengers was garbage in my opinion, where I thought the ending of TDKR, while cheesy, worked really well. That made the difference for me.
 
Overall, I loved the movie until the twist that Bane was basically Talia's lapdog. It didn't ruin it for me, but it really killed me enjoyment.

It made all of the stuff Bane had done previously seem retroactively lame.

And Bale actually kept the infamous Batman voice under control until the scene where he demanded Bane tell him where the button is. It's like he saved all the narm for that scene alone. People were cracking up it was so ridiculous.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
My prediction for the film: most are on the major high of seeing it and totally in love. But over the next few months, the euphoria will subside and all the flaws will start to show, and it will just go to being a good movie. Not a great movie.
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I predict that most people will say they like it, but that the Dark Knight is better. Batman Begins will continue to be the red-headed step child of the series, being considerably less popular than the others. I predict that overall people will think DKR is great, but as time goes on the vocal minority that don't like it will continue to denounce it after those who loved it had already moved on, creating the impression among many the movie is disliked.

Anyway, the ending was amazing. I can't think of a better way to end the series.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Go back and read the thread--I'm ahead of the curve!

All joking aside, I think Ledger's performance was so memorable and so awesome that, the nitpicking was kept to a minimum for me on TDK.

This movie felt very disjointed at times and didn't have the style of the first two entries. It felt like a lot of the main cast was just going through the motions in many spots--Freeman and Oldman come to mind the most.

The new blood like JGL and Hardy were good but not great.

And there were a LOT more plotholes in TDKR.
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Man, I think you liked it a lot more than me, but as far as those points go you're reading my mind.
 
I enjoyed it a lot. A bit long, and had a few too many characters that distracted from Bruce.

Kind of wish they had gone for it and left him dead, but the Alfred scene at the end made it okay. Though the thought of Batman quitting rubs me the wrong way.
 
Deadly Monk said:
Yes he does break him physically and mentally.

In the end, he decides to stay as Batman for as long as he can. It's implied he's going to search for a partner so he doesn't have to protect Gotham alone for the rest of his life. It ends with everyone in the city cheering when the Bat signal is turned on (quite the change of tone for a Batman film) and he is on top of a building for a few seconds then swoops down. Credits.
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You lying piece of shitty pie.
 
Jarmel said:
That was the moment I knew he was Robin.
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Same I turned to my buddy going he is so Robin. I was hoping though at the courthouse scene he would pop up wearing some sort of suit. Helping Batman out. Really bad thing I didn't like how Bane died down the second half. First half he was a major badass fucking Batman up then all of the sudden no more. Come on Nolan. Then again at the end I wanted a little team up with Bane and Batman some how.
 
not to bring it up again but having seen the prologue, I wish they kept Bane's original voice. It was far more menacing sounding
 
Kusagari said:
Overall, I loved the movie until the twist that Bane was basically Talia's lapdog. It didn't ruin it for me, but it really killed me enjoyment.

It made all of the stuff Bane had done previously seem retroactively lame.

And Bale actually kept the infamous Batman voice under control until the scene where he demanded Bane tell him where the button is. It's like he saved all the harm for that scene alone. People were cracking up it was so ridiculous.
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WHERE IS SH... I MEAN THE BUTTON!!!!


WHERE IS IT!


WHERE!
 
My thoughts from the other thread:


Thagomizer said:
Bornstellar said:
My impressions:
Not as good as the The Dark Knight - lots of pacing issues, super cheesy moments, and wait, what? leaps of logic, but still pretty enjoyable.
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My thoughts exactly. Regarding the bolded, while BB and TDK both had these, they were almost always retrospective, things you realize don't make sense when you are thinking about the movie later. In the moment, however, you don't notice them, or they are overshadowed by how cool the thing that's happening is.

TDKR's leaps, however, jump right up and smack you in the face. There were several spots that had me going, "Wait, what?," some of them right after another (and one that I found borderline offensive-you can fix a broken spine by just standing up? Hahaha, FUCK YOU movie) and it sucked me right out of the movie.

Regarding Bane: I really, really liked him, but he just can't follow Ledger's Joker. He was a good villain who really give the impression of being a match for Batman, but he really doesn't have anywhere near the presence of the Joker. While he is threatening and he does have some moments, including one really good one when the thugs capture Gordon, there is nothing as good or as memorable about him as...well, pretty much any of the Joker's scenes, and nothing as pants-shittingly terrifying as "Look at me. LOOK. AT. ME."
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Oh, yeah, and that twist sucked HARD. So hard. I had to fight to keep from laughing when he pulled out the SCARY BATMAN voice. Look, it was fine in BB, but it's just silly and totally intimidating now.
 
ultron87 said:
I enjoyed it a lot. A bit long, and had a few too many characters that distracted from Bruce.
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I've always found his rogues gallery to be vastly more interesting than Bruce himself. Bruce is just a great parallel. More importantly, Bruce is human without superpowers (lolwealth).
 
Okay, just got back from the midnight showing. On the whole, I really enjoyed the movie.

Here's what I liked

+Anne Hathaway, who is a terrific actress and seems to be the movie's only source of levity.
+Christian Bale, who despite being a Debbie Downer, turns in a really good performance.
+Tom Hardy, who despite the ridiculous accent they gave him, turns in a menacing performance.
+The score, which gets your pulse racing
+Joseph Gordon Levitt, who gives you hope every time he's on screen.
+Michael Cane, who gives his best performance in the series.
+Commissioner Gordon, who again anchors the moral center of the story.
+The "Bat" or whatever, I thought it would look incredibly tacky, but it actually works.
+The ending, very effective even if it is predictable.
+The drama, which upends the origin story's entire premise and makes Bruce Wayne take a long hard look at himself.

Here's what I did not like. You'll know what I hated the most by what comes first

-Marion Cotillard - This woman ruins every scene she's in. I didn't care for her when she was good, nor when she was bad. Horrible acting.
-Bane's voice - It's fine for the length of a trailer, but when he's giving speeches, it grates on you.
-Judge Scarecrow - Who the HELL thought this was a good idea?
-The volume of dialogue - What did he just say? Huh?
-Flashbacks - I saw Batman Begins. I don't need to watch it again. I also don't need to see people beating Bane up to believe Bane got beat up. Sometimes, it's what you don't show that is most effective.
-The whole "Government is making a deal with Bane." concept, like a bad 24 episode. I know this is Batman, but come on.




Those were the thoughts right off the top of my head.

There aren't really a ton of "iconic" scenes in this movie, nor that many lines of dialogue which will always carry with me. But there's also no Joker, and most of the lines you remember from the Dark Knight were said by him.


One thing I find important to say about this movie is that, even with its flaws, it earns its right to exist. There's a big, big movie here which is not afraid to actually show a large-scale city riot or blow up a freaking football stadium. It's also not afraid to show some deeply felt dramatic moments to an audience which is demanding non-stop action.

9/10

TDK > TDKR > Batman Begins
 
Eidan said:
I predict that most people will say they like it, but that the Dark Knight is better. Batman Begins will continue to be the red-headed step child of the series, being considerably less popular than the others. I predict that overall people will think DKR is great, but as time goes on the vocal minority that don't like it will continue to denounce it after those who loved it had already moved on, creating the impression among many the movie is disliked.

Anyway, the ending was amazing. I can't think of a better way to end the series.
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I cant think of a better ending either. I am satisfied with it. It just needed to be tightened up quite a bit.
 
Kusagari said:
Overall, I loved the movie until the twist that Bane was basically Talia's lapdog. It didn't ruin it for me, but it really killed me enjoyment.

It made all of the stuff Bane had done previously seem retroactively lame.

And Bale actually kept the infamous Batman voice under control until the scene where he demanded Bane tell him where the button is. It's like he saved all the narm for that scene alone. People were cracking up it was so ridiculous.
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Saved up all the ham... Lol

Thought his bat voice was pretty much perfect except when it descended to tdk level during the tow-the-bomb scene when he was attaching the cable and muttered... Something.
 
SupaNaab said:
Scarecrow was definitely replacing the Joker in this scene.
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Yeah most likely. I know it might of been tasteless to add something about Joker but they should have done it. Every other bad guy was mentioned or seen besides the Joker. Suddenly everyone forgot about the crazy guy wearing clown paint on his face but not Harvey Dent.
 
Just got back as well. I think I need to see it again to appreciate it more, but as of now for me...

DK>BB>DKR

Begins JUST edges out Rises, it's almost a tie. Wasn't too keen on having Blake named "Robin", but I get how it's an easy cop out instead of saying his name is "Dick Grayson" or "Tim Drake" and thus not having to actually tell the comic book origins of those characters. I thought he was actually going to be the kid from the Narrows that Batman gave his parascope to when he started telling him that story.

I was soooo glad to see Neeson come back for that cameo and I marked out hard when Talia revealed herself. I thought that whole bait and switch was done really well. I always had an idea she was, but they kept going so deep into the movie without the reveal that I figured she'd just be the other love interest.

The two Bane/Batman fights were pretty awesome. The first one was just so brutal, I was shocked he actually did the back breaking. The second one wasn't as good, but when Bane unleashed his fists of fury to Batman's stomach against that pillar, I was like "Holy shit!"

Small character nit pick, but I wish Crane wore his Scarecrow mask or at least used his fear gas in some of the sentencing. I also kept thinking how cool it would've been if it was Harvey up there as the judge.
 
My super nitpicky compliant is none of the criminals actually used their guns. They were swinging around AKs like baseball bats.

I went to a marathon and thought this was by far the weakest of the three. It's pretty hilarious that this movie and Avengers ended the same way in the most cliched overused fashion.
 
Wingfan19 said:
Small character nit pick, but I wish Crane wore his Scarecrow mask or at least used his fear gas in some of the sentencing. I also kept thinking how cool it would've been if it was Harvey up there as the judge.
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That would have been awesome. I would have gone crazy if they some how. I like Scarecrow in this nice little pop up.
 
Sojgat said:
Bruce quit being Batman for 8 years and let his company slide into decline because a supervillain killed his girlfriend = Dumb

Alfred leaves Bruce when he needs his support the most = Dumb

Bane's voice and the whole misdirection of him possibly being the son of Ra's al Ghul (which isn't pronounced "Raz" no matter how much Nolan want's to insist it is) = Dumb

A device/program which erases your digital footprint from every computer in the world = Dumb

Sending all the police in the city into the sewers all at one time = Dumb

The fact that Batman is so easily tricked and does the dumbest thing possible in nearly every situation = Dumb

Bat auto pilot foreshadowing and use as plot device to build false expectation that Batman was going to die when he was obviously not = Dumb

Creating a character called John Blake as an amalgamation of Jason, Dick and Tim and then still having to drill home to the audience that his middle name is Robin = unbelievably fucking Dumb

Bruce creating a fusion energy device and then abandoning it when he "finds out" that it could be weaponized = Dumb (but working on the basis that Bruce in the Nolan films is a complete moron maybe expected)

An unguarded prison designed like a well, but that nobody (except Talia and Bruce) has ever escaped from, even though the prisoners are shown to have multiple lengths of rope at their disposal = Dumb



I could go on like this for about 7 pages but you get the idea. The movie is dumb, it trys to come off as smart and realistic but it isn't.
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Thank fucking God that I don't think like this.

Or else I wouldn't enjoy every superhero movie that I see.
 
Just got back. I fucking loved it and the ending was just amazing; everyone in the theater went nuts. I'm so tired but I'd watch it again right now.
 
I liked it. BB=TDKR>TDK.

I'm sure some will disagree with that. I think BB and TDKR are the better films but TDK is a better Batman comic-esque movie.


A few things, all dealing with the last two minutes:

-Bruce and Alfred cannot be separate. Alfred is the closest Bruce has to family. They should be together at the end.

-Bruce must stay in Gotham and in the Manor with his fortune and must not die. If anything he should have become a philanthropist like his father.

-Nobody besides Bruce can be Batman, though I understand that Nolan wanted Batman to be a symbol. So if someone else must take the cowl, it should be done with Bruce's guidance while he lives in the manor above.

-Also, Blake's legal name should have been Richard Grayson.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
I cant think of a better ending either. I am satisfied with it. It just needed to be tightened up quite a bit.
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Part of me would have preferred to see the fate of Bruce Wayne/Batman left more uncertain--up to the viewer to decide in their own head if he survived or not.

However, I'm not dissatisfied with the ending they went with.

It gave Alfred and Bruce closure.
 
just got back from the marathon, pretty exhausted right now. I enjoyed TDKR but there were definitely a lot of cheesy cringe-inducing moments...for example the "now I know what that feels like" moment could have been done better I think, it just seemed like something from a cartoon. seems like the point would have come across fine without any dialogue at all

recognized a bunch of people from television too. Doyle Bennett from Justified for like a few seconds, Bunny Colvin/Carcetti from the wire, Icepick from Justified, maybe a few others i can't remember
 
BHK3 said:
Yeah I thought that too, if ledger didn't die then that would have been Joker in that spot.
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If Ledger didn't die this movie would have been completely different I feel. Joker would have been a bigger part in this I can see him some how teaming up with Bane causing a little more trouble for the Bat.

Two members of the Wire cast was in this.
 
Scullibundo said:
OMG I just thought of the biggest missed opportunity in this film.

After Bane and company raid Batman's underground weapon's store and take fucking everything - leaving him with nothing, Bruce should have been forced to go back to the only thing he had left - his original Begins bat suit.

FUUUUUUUUUUUU I would have lost my mind if that happened. Now THAT would have brought everything full circle.
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I wish you never said that... because now I'm left wishing for something that will never happen. :(

DKR has a lot of flaws, but since that all was covered, I need to say that I could not contain my excitement during the first Batman vs. Bane fight. When Bane said he needed to break Batman, and finally did do it Knightfall style... I lost my shit! The ending was fantastic, and I did like the nod to Robin.

It's the weakest of the 3 Nolan Batman films, but it is somehow the most satisfying because the ending was perfect.
 
Anyone else think that Bane would end up being Ras brought back by the lazarus pit or something :p

It was pretty clear that Miranda was really Talia fairly early on
 
vas_a_morir said:
Lol, i saw that! It was under construction, it looked like.
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Yea It was a straight up shot of NYC. Pretty annoying IMO. They really didn't try to hid the places where they were shooting. I thought maybe it had something to do with respect for the city not wanting to erase buildings dude to 9/11 or some other reason but then the show the lower Manhattan in flames and that theory flew right out the window. It just was lazy
 
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