It was abit loud during conversations.
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It was abit loud during conversations.
Beaniedude
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Er.... er....
But they have his DNA and er... The Lazarus Pit!
And er...SCIENCE!
They use science to make Damian....
SonicMegaDrive
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Wait, how long after Bruce and Talia had sex did she die? I don't think it was nine months....but I dunno. But then I'm sure people would have noticed she was preggo.
So I find my self torn, I don't think the soundtrack is poor, I actually think its quite good... but only when its paired with the Movie. On its own its lacking for sure. Where the music tied together with the film itself has much, MUCH more impact. I don't think that's a bad thing either.
Anyone else think this?
Anyone else think this?
Project Cadmus.
Fixed2BeBroken
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I don't even remember Talia dying; how did she die?
when the truck carrying the abomb crashed while she was driving it. she does a little like "Haha in your face" then dies.
I like the soundtrack, with the following asterisks.
* It's not as good as the prior films
* They repeated the same track often and used in some of the incorrect moments (aka Spider-Man 2)
demosthenes
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Did you not listen to Bane?
It was to get their hopes up and the crush it.
He wasn't like the League of Shadows where they would have just detonated. He wanted to toy w/ Gotham, torture them.
Messypandas
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how did Alfred know so much about Bane? Did he bing it?
Also remember Bruce had a window to Gotham. By prolonging the sufferring of Gotham he further destroyed Bruces soul. This was a personal vendetta from Talia, and she was willing to drag out and shamble everything Bruce had hoped to achieve
Also remember Bruce had a window to Gotham. By prolonging the sufferring of Gotham he further destroyed Bruces soul. This was a personal vendetta from Talia, and she was willing to drag out and shamble everything Bruce had hoped to achieve
civilstrife
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This is so stupid it hurts. This is a thread about a film. Criticism of art doesn't mean you could or want to do it better. Otherwise, close up shop folks, this thread is over for all non Hollywood filmmakers.
It just happened to be the half life of the core. Like the pit that he put Bruce in, Bane and Talia wanted to give Gotham a false sense of hope (like being able to climb out of the pit). It worked, seeing as Foley didn't want to help Gordon at the end since he was waiting for "them to fix it". Bane was counting on torturing Bruce with seeing Gotham decay, not counting on him being able to get out of the put. Underestimated him.
Ape Gone Insane
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Cue "Everything we do is collated and quantified - everything sticks."
Alfred has access to the batcave and its computer as well you know....
I'm also really glad the batcave wasn't over the top. I was really worried it was going to be this over the top, gaudy looking place.
Also, "Mind if I cut in" Or if I'm calling it "catwomans theme" is reallllllly well done.
The Technomancer
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Right! Man, that speech was heavy-handed.
Fixed2BeBroken
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cmon that computer he was using was a bit over the top. (jk of course)
but with that said, it would have been funny if he was using like a little dell in the bat cave.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The tablet Bane's henchmen used to hack the stock exchange looked to be running Windows XP. I had the hardest time not cracking up.
Watched it last night at 11pm. I thought it was fantastic. My excitement has been lower for this than TDK's build up. I was pretty comfortable keeping lower expectations. But over the last couple weeks I got excited, and I fell right back into that world.
I think it might be my favorite in the series, but I tend to need digesting time with these movies. TDK I liked a lot, but knew it fell short of my expectations right after, something didn't deliver. I didn't want to believe it wasn't perfect. Reminiscing with friends later I realized how much of it I loved at the same time. Batman Begins I simply loved on its own merits, while my accompanying friend thought it was "good". I couldn't be talked out of it, I thought it was fantastic. As the years passed, I find Batman Begins awful cheesy at times. Not nearly as beautifully shot as the others in the series. It has a great first half though that's the foundation for the series, with a weaker ending (Rha's reappearance through the end). I actually still really love the first scenes in costume, his fight with Scarecrow. It's terrifically dark, playing with silhouettes and showing Detective Batman. The rain is great, very moody. Blade Runner-esque.
TDK meanwhile has a bombastic opening, and such a terrific momentum once they get back from Hong Kong. I actually like Hong Kong, it's fun. The Joker's onslaught is what's truly amazing though, all the way through Rachel's death. Which may be my favorite thing in the series. The Joker in the cop car, his victory and Batman's loss. But it always loses my engagement post-Hospital. Eckhart's acting once he becomes Two-Face is hard to handle, after a great speech from The Joker to provide him proper motivation. It kind of collapses instead of fully delivers on everything it set up. The boat scene is far less tense than the stuff before it. Or it wavers certainly. Eckhart in the last scene is at his weakest. But then it wraps up terrifically with Batman running from the cops.
There's no way I'm summing up TDKR right now, I haven't even slept yet, but it felt the most consistent beginning to end of the Batman films. Thoroughly enjoyable throughout, enjoyed Bane a lot (albeit dialogue was hard to hear), and found Bruce's story compelling in similar ways to Begins and really engaging. I thought the story sets up and delivers on so much. The acting is the most consistent in the series (no performances as bad as TDK/BB's worst side characters). Bale especially brings it as Bruce. It's the most comfortable he's looked in the role by a mile, and it heightens his performance a lot. But yeah, just terrifically tense, VERY satisfying. I don't know if it reaches the heights of Begins best moments(s), or anything like Ledger's Joker. The ending was awesome , and their were several truly captivating moments though. I feel like it does a great job of combining Begins emotional story with TDK's spectacle. Pretty much unrelenting in performance and action and stakes.
It fits in very nicely as a trilogy, something I didn't think I would see the series as. It supports the other two films in a really great way, which surprised me, after how standalone TDK was. I really appreciated that, and had a fantastic time at the theater. It might very well be my favorite of the 3 films. Tip of the cap to Nolan and the whole crew. These have been my favorite and best theater experiences since 2005.
I think it might be my favorite in the series, but I tend to need digesting time with these movies. TDK I liked a lot, but knew it fell short of my expectations right after, something didn't deliver. I didn't want to believe it wasn't perfect. Reminiscing with friends later I realized how much of it I loved at the same time. Batman Begins I simply loved on its own merits, while my accompanying friend thought it was "good". I couldn't be talked out of it, I thought it was fantastic. As the years passed, I find Batman Begins awful cheesy at times. Not nearly as beautifully shot as the others in the series. It has a great first half though that's the foundation for the series, with a weaker ending (Rha's reappearance through the end). I actually still really love the first scenes in costume, his fight with Scarecrow. It's terrifically dark, playing with silhouettes and showing Detective Batman. The rain is great, very moody. Blade Runner-esque.
TDK meanwhile has a bombastic opening, and such a terrific momentum once they get back from Hong Kong. I actually like Hong Kong, it's fun. The Joker's onslaught is what's truly amazing though, all the way through Rachel's death. Which may be my favorite thing in the series. The Joker in the cop car, his victory and Batman's loss. But it always loses my engagement post-Hospital. Eckhart's acting once he becomes Two-Face is hard to handle, after a great speech from The Joker to provide him proper motivation. It kind of collapses instead of fully delivers on everything it set up. The boat scene is far less tense than the stuff before it. Or it wavers certainly. Eckhart in the last scene is at his weakest. But then it wraps up terrifically with Batman running from the cops.
There's no way I'm summing up TDKR right now, I haven't even slept yet, but it felt the most consistent beginning to end of the Batman films. Thoroughly enjoyable throughout, enjoyed Bane a lot (albeit dialogue was hard to hear), and found Bruce's story compelling in similar ways to Begins and really engaging. I thought the story sets up and delivers on so much. The acting is the most consistent in the series (no performances as bad as TDK/BB's worst side characters). Bale especially brings it as Bruce. It's the most comfortable he's looked in the role by a mile, and it heightens his performance a lot. But yeah, just terrifically tense, VERY satisfying. I don't know if it reaches the heights of Begins best moments(s), or anything like Ledger's Joker. The ending was awesome , and their were several truly captivating moments though. I feel like it does a great job of combining Begins emotional story with TDK's spectacle. Pretty much unrelenting in performance and action and stakes.
It fits in very nicely as a trilogy, something I didn't think I would see the series as. It supports the other two films in a really great way, which surprised me, after how standalone TDK was. I really appreciated that, and had a fantastic time at the theater. It might very well be my favorite of the 3 films. Tip of the cap to Nolan and the whole crew. These have been my favorite and best theater experiences since 2005.
MrCunningham
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Yup. Also, Bruce leaving directions for "Robin" to find the Batcave pretty well debunks this idea.
Maybe it's just me, but I kept hearing Sean Connery's voice every time Bane spoke...
Messypandas
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that bit confused. Banes ghettopad needed 8 minutes to upload. they leave the stock exchange and its sunny, they drive through a tunnel and its pitch black. felt troublesome
Hero_of_the_Day
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It was a little weird, but wasn't a big deal to me. I think all it would have taken to make it not feel odd to people would have been a shot of him from outside Gotham looking in. Just something to let people know he was back without him just suddenly popping up.
The Technomancer
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It was not just you. It was a Sean Connery voice through a vocoder. It was fucking hilarious.
Messypandas
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i've got a feeling Brucie used one of his underground mine shafts that safely passaged freed slaves to the north. very handy
SonicMegaDrive
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They could have shown an elaborately detailed scene involving Bruce getting back into Gotham, but I'm sure they felt it would have been needless and tacked-on. Let's just say Batman has a way of getting past sensors undetected down to an artform and go with that.
EatChildren
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Bane's voice owned. Bane owned. Owned.
Yep. I think the music for these movies, save for a few standout cues (the Joker's "sound" is easily my favorite thing Zimmer did) was pretty underwhelming.
Oh, I didn't think it was unbelievable or hurt the film. Just notable.
"Do you feel like you're in control?"
I don't see how Bruce getting back into Gotham is bothering people. The guy is after all trained by the league of shadows and not to mention he is the goddamn Batman which he uses darkness and stealth to his advantage. Getting into Gotham should be no problem for Bruce, doesn't really need a additional scene for it.
Messypandas
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Alfred kills dumbledore
Hero_of_the_Day
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This. He and Bruce/Batman I thought were great. It was everything around them that was under developed or nonsensical that ruined the movie for me.
I fucking loved that part. How terrifying it was just to have this beast put it's hand on your shoulder and speak to you.
You think the darkness will help you? You merely adopted the shadows. I was born in them.
Paraphrased, but badass.
Talia's death was really unsatisfying to me, and I'm saying that even though I didn't like her character at all in the movie both as Tate and Talia. My problem with it is that she dies in a huge truck trash. Sitting in the audience I'm thinking "okay that crash is cool and would definitely kill everyone in the truck".
Then...the back door opens and Gordon emerges completely unscathed, no cuts, no blood nothing. A few people in my theater clapped because it was one of those unrealistic but fun action movie moments where the good guys make it out okay inexplicably.
Then we go to the front of the truck and there Talia is mortally wounded. Taking the same truck crash and trivializing it for one character while making it fatal to another was very jarring for me.
Then...the back door opens and Gordon emerges completely unscathed, no cuts, no blood nothing. A few people in my theater clapped because it was one of those unrealistic but fun action movie moments where the good guys make it out okay inexplicably.
Then we go to the front of the truck and there Talia is mortally wounded. Taking the same truck crash and trivializing it for one character while making it fatal to another was very jarring for me.
Gordon was in the trailer though...
The actual crash was a cool call back to Ra's death, but then she had the cliched final words and close eyes/drop head death with some bad acting from Cotillard and some really awkward reaction shots of Batman, Catwoman and Gordon.
That was pretty silly, alright.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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Plus...it was the middle of a trading day. Even if the market was aout to close it would still be 4 PM. This was some X-Men 3 Golden Gate Bridge type shit.
The same trailer that fell the same distance as the front of the truck and collided with the ground. And he was in the trailer with no seat belt or cushion. Surrounded by the hard metal of the trailer and the nuclear bomb though...
Yes. It should be easily understandable why he would survive over someone in the driver's seat.
SonicMegaDrive
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The only part of Talia's death I had trouble with was the quick head bob and closing of the eyes. It was like a humorous parody, like something you'd see in Hot Shots: Part Deux lol
Yo damn, at that line. His lines during the first fight with Bruce was handled well too.
Messypandas
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He wanted people to think he was dead
Completely unharmed? And I'm not just criticizing the realism of the crash but also how its handled. It was jarring to go from a hooray type moment for Gordon, which I thought was laughable, to a very serious death of a villain based on the same event.
Do you know how to fly "The Bat"?
Frank the Great
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talia's death was horribly acted, it was so bad that part of me thought she was trying to fake her death
MrCunningham
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In all fairness, Nolan couldn't show blood at all in these movies. There was another scene in the movie where a bunch of police officers get shot by a machine gun. The camera cuts back to them and you see all the officers laying on the ground completely bloodless.
EdibleExplosives
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Reading through this thread and
I agree with this, his voice in the prologue sounded much better. It was so loud in the final version that it sounded ridiculous.
I agree with this, his voice in the prologue sounded much better. It was so loud in the final version that it sounded ridiculous.
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