The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)

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Diprosalic said:
i wasn't really talking about quality but i don't think you can say that batman is this generations star wars.
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I would say it's my Star Wars. Trilogy of massively successful, box office smash and culturally significant genre films that a bunch of kids fall in love with and are hyped for every remaining installment, gobbling up toys and marketing material?
 
Wilbury said:
I would say it's my Star Wars. Trilogy of massively successful, box office smash and culturally significant genre films that a bunch of kids fall in love with and are hyped for every remaining installment, gobbling up toys and marketing material?
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well BB wasn't a massive success

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=batmanbegins.htm

it only retroactively became big after the success that TDK was. Star Wars and LoTR where huge world wide from the get go.
 
Quackula said:
if people are still talking about the Dark Knight trilogy 25 years from now, then you can say they're this generation's Star Wars.
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I think they will, out of all of the previous Batman movies, none of them come close to actually telling a story about his character and offer any sense of closure. When it gets rebooted, WB will likely want to continually churn out new movies and not want to consider the series ending. So they will end up with a reboot that offers 2d characters and a plot that has no weight to it.
 
Still collecting my thoughts as I don't think I can yet put into words exactly why I didn't like the movie, but here are a few thoughts. First of all, I can appreciate that it is a good movie, just not one that suits my tastes, particularly as I have no personal investment in Batman. I'll make the same complaint I have against Inception which is there aren't enough charismatic performances to endear me to the film. Health Ledger brought that balance to TDK and I found it sorely lacking here. It really overdoes the whole dark, moody atmosphere, which I realise some people like, but there's only so much of it I can take.

Another issue I have is that I feel its too shackled by being a film about Batman to adequately explore the themes it brings up in terms of anarchy and such. In the inevitably Avengers comparisons a lot of people have been saying TDKR will have more artistic value, but ultimately I felt it doesn't have enough substance to cash the ambitious cheque its writing.

I don't know, to be fair I've always been a bit of a skeptic as I felt they already made the perfect Batman film. Like I said I don't think I've really hit on key element which turned me off yet. Certainly there were a lot of things I liked, the score deserves special mention for being superb once again, and Michael Caine's performance is outstanding, but as a whole it just didn't do it for me.
 
If a person thinks LOTR is their Star Wars, then it is their Star Wars. If a person thinks the Batman Trilogy is their Star Wars, then it is their Stars. It really is as simple as that.
 
SuperEpicMan said:
I think they will, out of all of the previous Batman movies, none of them come close to actually telling a story about his character and offer any sense of closure. When it gets rebooted, WB will likely want to continually churn out new movies and not want to consider the series ending. So they will end up with a reboot that offers 2d characters and a plot that has no weight to it.
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I hope so. I have a feeling that DC's going to drop their shared movie universe idea fairly quickly. WB/DC just is not very good at this.

If they were serious about it, they would've hired someone like Paul Dini to write the upcoming Justice League movie. Someone who the fans respect, someone who knows how to handle the material. Instead, we get Will Beall, a guy who's only writing credits are a handful of episodes of Castle.
 
Solo said:
If a person thinks LOTR is their Star Wars, then it is their Star Wars. If a person thinks the Batman Trilogy is their Star Wars, then it is their Stars. It really is as simple as that.
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Exactly, it is my star wars in the sense that I believe I and other people in our generation will end up talking to their kids about it in years to come, it may not necessarily be similar to star wars, but I do believe it will be considered a classic within the genre it belongs to.

Godfather is considered the definitive gangster/crime movie by many people, Star Wars for science fiction movies, Lord of the Rings for fantasy/epic movies. I think the Nolan trilogy will be regarded in a similar way but for comic book movies.
 
It's the best 'trilogy' I've seen I think.

If they hadn't fucked up the sequels, The Matrix could have been that Star Wars for a generation.
 
Wilbury said:
That's the right team.

Sculli, the thing is when talking about the third movie curse it's always going to come down to opinion but that isn't a reasonable picture to use as the third movie curse thingy. You either need to use critics reviews - in this case, TDK > TDKR > BB (which means its better regarded than the first, so it clearly has broken the third movie curse if that was regarded as great as well) or you use the public. And a lot of people here don't like it, a lot of people do. Some are saying its the best one, some second, some third. Some think BB is the best, some second, some third. Some are saying TDK is the best, some second, some third.

It's a polarising trilogy in picking which one is the best, so I would say that yes, it has broken the third movie curse. Not in your eyes, but there will be a hell of a lot of people who loved SM1, 2 and 3 and think the curse is broken, but critical and public consensus would tell them otherwise. Critical and public consensus this time tells them that the third film is just as good as the other two.
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But that's the point of Scullibundo. He can make the call that nobody else can make. The right call.

BB > TDK >> TDKR
 
Diprosalic said:
Barely anyone outside of the US saw BB and TDK was just a moderate success WW. Those movies are not that big of a deal WW. I was just saying it lacks the WW appeal for being considered trilogy of our generation
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lol
 
Scullibundo said:
What is this TDK? I live overseas and I assume you're talking about the electronics company.
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Yeah, why are you talking about this guys?

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Is there another TDK?
 
I think the three groups are going to fall somewhere along these lines:

GROUP A: TDK>BB>TDKR (majority of film fans)

EDIT GROUP A *Subgroup-Sculli*: BB>TDK>TDKR

GROUP B: TDK>TDKR>BB (general audience/critics)

GROUP C: BB>TDKR>TDK (Darkhorse group, including most of NeoGAF. This group will probably be the most vocal.)

I'd include myself in Group A.
 
Secret_Riddle said:
I think the three groups are going to fall somewhere along these lines:

GROUP A: TDK>BB>TDKR (majority of film fans)

GROUP B: TDK>TDKR>BB (general audience/critics)

GROUP C: BB>TDKR>TDK (Darkhorse group, including most of NeoGAF. This group will probably be the most vocal.)

I'd include myself in Group A.
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You missed the correct group.

BB > TDK > TDKR
 
I don't feel the batman movies will be like that of the "lotr" or Star wars era

Simply because the second movie is what most people feel is good, and not because of "batman"

A lot of people never talk about batman when they think of these movies. It's always about the Joker.

Either way, they need to put more focus on making batman more interesting in these movies imo

Hes such a dark and interesting character, I just feel he could have been developed better in the movies them self.
 
I can only speak from personal experience, not actual numbers, so I don't know if i'm stepping on toes here.

But I don't think anyone cares about Batman in my country (The Netherlands).
People care about good movies, of course, but I have never met an actual Batman "fan" in my life, although i'm sure those exist somewhere.

Batman is a thing, a cultural entity and everyone knows what it is, like Mickey Mouse. But actual adult fans? Never seen 'em.
 
I find myself in the company of Group D. Entropy.

StuBurns, your extended grouping is also dead on.
 
Hoo-doo said:
I can only speak from personal experience, not actual numbers, so I don't know if i'm stepping on toes here.

But I don't think anyone cares about Batman in my country (The Netherlands).
People care about good movies, of course, but I have never met an actual Batman "fan" in my life, although i'm sure those exist somewhere.

Batman is a thing, a cultural entity and everyone knows what it is, like Mickey Mouse. But actual adult fans? Never seen 'em.
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batman has a lot of fans, a ton.. just don't feel the movies bring him out correctly.

Cartoons have done it better
 
Was a great movie. First half was slow but everything connected during the second half making it amazing.

I loved the ending too. I am pretty sure I know what is going to come in the future.

Hard to say which film from the trilogy I liked more... it's a toss up between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. I liked the Joker more as a villain but the second half of The Dark Knight Rises was just amazing.
 
I seriously feel it's impossible for this film to be considered better than either previous film. It's just too messy. Sure it's good and I'm glad it is because if this film sucked I would be so damn sad until Skyfall and Hobbit hit.

But script issues and pacing really drag this below the prior two...much tighter experiences (yes even TDK which is extremely tight until around the ferry scene)

Great trilogy though. But LOTR is my Star Wars. Saw those films in theaters when I was 11 to 13!!!

This Batman trilogy is cemented as one of my favorite trilogies of all time though. And I'd even put this above Star Wars because this was no ROTJ. That film was shit. Almost prequel-tier bad.

Spiderman would have been even better if Raimi didn't fuck up 3 :( After recently rewatching the films I can honestly say Spiderman 2 is the most recent example of a perfect summer blockbuster. It had everything from drama, to comedy to action and it executed it all so well.
 
Discotheque said:
I seriously feel it's impossible for this film to be considered better than either previous film. It's just too messy. Sure it's good and I'm glad it is because if this film sucked I would be so damn sad until Skyfall and Hobbit hit.

But script issues and pacing really drag this below the prior two...much tighter experiences (yes even TDK which is extremely tight until around the ferry scene)
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Yeah the pacing during the first half the movie was slow.

The Dark Knight flowed much better.

However, due to what happened in the amazing second half of the TDKR, it made me appreciate the (slow) build up during the first half.

The Dark Knight was a better movie in terms of pace but I think I enjoyed The Dark Knight Rises more due to all the surprising twists during the second half of the movie.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Yeah the pacing during the first half the movie was slow.

The Dark Knight flowed much better.

However, due to what happened in the amazing second half of the TDKR, it made me appreciate the (slow) build up during the first half.

The Dark Knight was a better movie in terms of pace but I think I enjoyed The Dark Knight Rises more due to all the surprising twists during the second half of the movie.
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Disagree. DKR is a lot more interesting in the first 30 minutes than TDK is.
Awesome plane sequence with Bane, Gordon's speech on anniversary of Dent's death and the Dent Act, introduction of both Blake and Catwoman.

TDK takes quite a while to get going with all the Hong Kong/Lau stuff. Yes, there are great aerial views of Hong Kong and Batman flying but I was more intrigued by the introduction of three brand new characters, one right after the other.

Also, Bruce's dance with Selina was great.
 
JB1981 said:
Disagree. DKR is a lot more interesting in the first 30 minutes than TDK is.
Awesome plane sequence with Bane, Gordon's speech on anniversary of Dent's death and the Dent Act, introduction of both Blake and Catwoman.

TDK takes quite a while to get going with all the Hong Kong/Lau stuff. Yes, there are great aerial views of Hong Kong and Batman flying but I was more intrigued by the introduction of three brand new characters, one right after the other.

Also, Bruce's dance with Selina was great.
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Yeah don't get me wrong, there was a lot of good stuff in the first half but (imo) TDK picked things up right from the beginning and kept moving on from there. It was more straightforward to me.
 
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