The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)

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bob_arctor said:
Bane was incredible and surpassed the Joker in his ability to project dread at any given second. He is a strength, not a weakness, of the film, even in comparison.
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That's true, I meant that his dialogue was weaker and his motivations weren't as complex as the Jokers. Honestly, Joker was fucking diabolical in how he tore Dent down. Bane motivations were more straightforward.
 
So i decided to go see it again because i still had mixed feelings about it and after seeing it for the 2nd time fully awake and energized during the day i have to say i really really enjoyed it the 2nd time more then i did the first time.

First time i was exhausted and felt sick so i think that played a part in not enjoying it but i still feel the movie could of been put through re-write.
 
http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21147699/christian-bale-town-visiting-victims-shooting

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Christian Bale, star of the Batman films, is in town visiting victims of the Aurora movie theater shooting, Warner Brothers officials confirmed.

"Mr. Bale is there as himself, not representing Warner Brothers," said an assistant for Susan Fleishman, executive vice president for Warner Brothers corporate communications.
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Just finished watching TDK again. I thought I'd been soured on it, but dammit, seeing it again made me realize how goddamn awesome it really is. Can't wait for tomorrow.
 
Strafer said:
Alfred. Gordon. Lucius. Bruce . . . Wayne. Names that have come to mean so much to me. Today, I’m three weeks from saying a final good-bye to these characters and their world. It’s my son’s ninth birthday. He was born as the Tumbler was being glued together in my garage from random parts of model kits. Much time, many changes. A shift from sets where some gunplay or a helicopter were extraordinary events to working days where crowds of extras, building demolitions, or mayhem thousands of feet in the air have become familiar.

People ask if we’d always planned a trilogy. This is like being asked whether you had planned on growing up, getting married, having kids. The answer is complicated. When David and I first started cracking open Bruce’s story, we flirted with what might come after, then backed away, not wanting to look too deep into the future. I didn’t want to know everything that Bruce couldn’t; I wanted to live it with him. I told David and Jonah to put everything they knew into each film as we made it. The entire cast and crew put all they had into the first film. Nothing held back. Nothing saved for next time. They built an entire city. Then Christian and Michael and Gary and Morgan and Liam and Cillian started living in it. Christian bit off a big chunk of Bruce Wayne’s life and made it utterly compelling. He took us into a pop icon’s mind and never let us notice for an instant the fanciful nature of Bruce’s methods.

I never thought we’d do a second—how many good sequels are there? Why roll those dice? But once I knew where it would take Bruce, and when I started to see glimpses of the antagonist, it became essential. We re-assembled the team and went back to Gotham. It had changed in three years. Bigger. More real. More modern. And a new force of chaos was coming to the fore. The ultimate scary clown, as brought to terrifying life by Heath. We’d held nothing back, but there were things we hadn’t been able to do the first time out—a Batsuit with a flexible neck, shooting on Imax. And things we’d chickened out on—destroying the Batmobile, burning up the villain’s blood money to show a complete disregard for conventional motivation. We took the supposed security of a sequel as license to throw caution to the wind and headed for the darkest corners of Gotham.

I never thought we’d do a third—are there any great second sequels? But I kept wondering about the end of Bruce’s journey, and once David and I discovered it, I had to see it for myself. We had come back to what we had barely dared whisper about in those first days in my garage. We had been making a trilogy. I called everyone back together for another tour of Gotham. Four years later, it was still there. It even seemed a little cleaner, a little more polished. Wayne Manor had been rebuilt. Familiar faces were back—a little older, a little wiser . . . but not all was as it seemed.

Gotham was rotting away at its foundations. A new evil bubbling up from beneath. Bruce had thought Batman was not needed anymore, but Bruce was wrong, just as I had been wrong. The Batman had to come back. I suppose he always will.

Michael, Morgan, Gary, Cillian, Liam, Heath, Christian . . . Bale. Names that have come to mean so much to me. My time in Gotham, looking after one of the greatest and most enduring figures in pop culture, has been the most challenging and rewarding experience a filmmaker could hope for. I will miss the Batman. I like to think that he’ll miss me, but he’s never been particularly sentimental.
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That's probably one of the most pretentious things that I've ever read.
 
bob_arctor said:
Yawn. I'm sure you'll think of something.
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I'm not even trying to be dramatic, that was my literal reaction at the end. I will say more but I am trying to process this, don't understsand what this was. I'm probably the biggest fan of the Nolan Batman films in this entire forum and had every reason to ignore minor problems but this whole film was just wrong.
 
MY SWEET. LORD NOLAN!

I was curious as to why some here seemed to bash the movie, and was anxious to see it to clear all those doubts.

I saw it an hour ago, and am still processing it, I AM so IMPRESSED. Such a rich, layered work, I am astounded by the scale, the complexity of it, so many things are happening, so many characters, so many plots, and IMO, Nolan signs a masterpiece. I still need to see it again and again and again, because there is so much to process on a first viewing, so much is going on.

My only nitpicks would be, it's a tad slow to start, the prologue is good, but not as good as TDK's, otherwise, I'm baffled that so many believe that it's inferior to TDK and BB. I rewatched those two in prep 6 and 2 days ago, and until TDKR, it was BB>TDK from an enjoyment POV, even though I think that TDK is the superior movie (weird), but now, I really think that TDKR is SO superior to those two, and I did not expect at all what I got, it feels completely different in tone as TDK did when compared to BB, it truly is an escalation.

And I'm also stunned as to how TDKR feels like a genuine comic book, comic book movie, the plots, the direction, I felt like I was reading a Bats comics.

Gordon Levitt is the star and heart of the movie, unbelievable, Bale/Bruce is back in the spotlight, and God, does it feel good! Fantastic performance! Caine is outstanding, especially at the ending. Hardy makes a great villain, but I am kind of missing the facial expressions, and seeing the movie in French, his dubbing was really meh, so next viewing: English, so what I was left with is his eyes, and his physicality and with just that, he's great, truly menacing, but I need to see it in English to have his full performance.

Hathaway blew me away, I usually dont give a shit about Catwoman but she was so magnetic, and HOT, the maid outfit with what I guess were nylon stockings beneath made me all giddy inside :D totally want a spin off with her.

The fights btw Bat and Bane were so brutal, I'm so impressed.


The ending is perfect and I screamed (inside) in joy and excitement, EXACTLY the ending I expected, please please JGL,
tell me that you have signed a contract for several movies, I want you as Robin or Nightwing

TDKR>BB>TDK
 
waiting for my best friends to get back from their vacation so i can watch this movie with them
im such a good friend
 
Solo said:
Four? More like ten.

harSon is dead inside.
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It's not uncommon for filmmakers to spend significant portions of their lives making a film and/or franchise, and yet, I believe this farewell letter by Christopher Nolan may be the first of its kind. For a reason I might add.
 
Mr Cola said:
You know what i want to try, i want to try doing nothing but pressups and situps and see if i can get as strong as batman, im semi kind of super serious
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Don't try the fall down pushup. I think someone almost broke their wrists.

And no that won't get you in Batman shape
 
harSon said:
Because homeboy wrote a freaking elegy for a movie franchise. I simply find the practice to be ridiculous and corny.
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Because homeboy spent a quarter of his life with this franchise and characters, and felt emotional about leaving it.

The only one being ridiculous is yourself.
 
bangladesh said:
You know what, I too related the Nolan Bat Trilogy to the Uncharted Trilogy. And I hated Uncharted 3 as well and The Dark Knight Rises.
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I have no idea how you could hate Uncharted 3 but love Uncharted 2. They're exactly the same game, minus surprise factor of how improved 2 was.
 
apana said:
I'm not even trying to be dramatic, that was my literal reaction at the end. I will say more but I am trying to process this, don't understsand what this was. I'm probably the biggest fan of the Nolan Batman films in this entire forum and had every reason to ignore minor problems but this whole film was just wrong.
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The whole film isn't wrong at all. It's different from both its predecessors though more in line with BB. It's easily the most comic book of them all, with a frenzied, kinetic style that reminded me of bouncing around panels as I followed everything. It's hard to explain for me but it has less clinically "cool" instances than TDK but somehow it makes up for this in texture and soul. It has an incredible villain--this a minor miracle considering Ledger's Joker. Catwoman was better than anyone expected. JGL was great as well. I still can't rank them until I see Rises more though.
 
bangladesh said:
The pacing and sense of progression/journey/adventure was complete shit. Just Like in TDKR.
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Seemed exactly the same to me. Set piece, walk and talk, cut scene, set piece, walk and talk, cut scene, repeat. I love the games, but there's no difference between the two other than the fact it had to be as good as U2
 
I simply said that I found the letter to be pretentious, and the fact that he felt the need to A) write it and B) release it publicly to be a tad bit egocentric. I just don't see the need, regardless of how heart wrenching moving on from Batman may be for him, to write a pseudo poetic and eloquent elegy for a movie franchise.

I can understand writing something where you discuss the joys of working on the project, and I don't know, thank the fans for supporting your work. But the comparisons between the franchise and one's child, the frame structure, the pseudo poetic nature of the entire piece, the lack of gratitude for the fans and non-actors that made his vision possible and the nerve to suggest that he never had anything post Batman Begins planned beforehand? It simply doesn't jive with me. But you guys are right, my last comment was a bit out of bounds. You're free to disagree and hold your opinions.
 
harSon said:
I simply said that I found the letter to be pretentious, and the fact that he felt the need to A) write it and B) release it publicly to be a tad bit egocentric. I just don't see the need, regardless of how heart wrenching moving on from Batman may be for him, to write a pseudo poetic and eloquent elegy for a movie franchise.

I can understand writing something where you discuss the joys of working on the project, and I don't know, thank the fans for supporting your work. But the comparisons between the franchise and one's child, the frame structure, the pseudo poetic nature of the entire piece, the lack of gratitude for the fans and non-actors that made his vision possible and the nerve to suggest that he never had anything post Batman Begins planned beforehand? It simply doesn't jive with me. But you guys are right, my last comment was a bit out of bounds. You're free to disagree and hold your opinions.
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The bolded is actually true. When they were making Begins, they were embarking on a bit of an experiment to see if the Batman franchise could be resurrected, and had no idea what was going to come of it. Bale often teased Nolan about whether they would be coming back for a sequel and Nolan always told him that he wasn't quite sure, until after the movie was released and WB was happy with what they had achieved.
 
I saw this last night, and thought it was pretty average.

Bane was alright but his voice was a little silly, and unnecessarily loud. Bruce and Alfred were good. Batman was a cheese ball, and his voice is so lame. Catwoman was alright. JGL was decent. Eh... I didn't really have too much of a problem with the plot, but it just wasn't as engrossing as TDK. I really was expecting more.

TDK > BB > TDKR
 
harSon said:
I simply said that I found the letter to be pretentious, and the fact that he felt the need to A) write it and B) release it publicly to be a tad bit egocentric. I just don't see the need, regardless of how heart wrenching moving on from Batman may be for him, to write a pseudo poetic and eloquent elegy for a movie franchise.

I can understand writing something where you discuss the joys of working on the project, and I don't know, thank the fans for supporting your work. But the comparisons between the franchise and one's child, the frame structure, the pseudo poetic nature of the entire piece, the lack of gratitude for the fans and non-actors that made his vision possible and the nerve to suggest that he never had anything post Batman Begins planned beforehand? It simply doesn't jive with me. But you guys are right, my last comment was a bit out of bounds. You're free to disagree and hold your opinions.
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Or maybe you can take it as a director who has really invested and dedicated his life to his works. Plus, this is the end. That's it. No more. Pop-corn summer blockbuster movie or what not, it's obvious Nolan and the crew poured hearts into this. This franchise, like having a child, propelled his life into another dimension, especially at a time when he wasn't as well-known as now
 
BeautifulMemory said:
Or maybe you can take it as a director who has really invested and dedicated his life to his works. Plus, this is the end. That's it. No more. Pop-corn summer blockbuster movie or what not, it's obvious Nolan and the crew poured hearts into this. This franchise, like having a child, propelled his life into another dimension, especially at a time when he wasn't as well-known as now
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I have to admit, the pretentious comment was partially influenced by a Nolan interview I had read regarding his non-usage of cell phones or emails about 30-40 minutes prior to reading the farewell letter:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...ress-tour-20120724?page=3#blogPostHeaderPanel
 
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