Same here. I want to remain the same gender but ugh...hate my body.
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Same here. I want to remain the same gender but ugh...hate my body.
You may be interested in reading this thread to educate yourself using some other recent news.
You don't know what you're talking about here, sorry to say.
Billie, I think speaking for myself any thread where another poster is feeling that way deserves a derail at least enough to show support. It may not matter now to you but know that I do think you're a good person and it's a shame that you have such a poor self image (although not surprising considering you haven't transitioned. You will get through this and come out all the stronger for it.
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Oxigen_Waste
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This is very inaccurate, look it up. The most successfull cases still resulted in high losses of sensibility. Which is all I'm saying.
However, I do understand that they'd derive more pleasure. Sex is very psychological to me... I much preffer getting the other person off rather than myself... ie, I get more pleasure from getting no direct pleasure. Because of my psychological imperatives. The same way my best friend enjoys anal alot even when the act itself isn't very pleasurable to her, physically. Psychological sexuality is the most powerful part. And in that sense of course they can derive much more pleasure... it must be the first time sex has ever even felt like it should for them... considering what their priorities were.
But my point is that it limits your sensitivity... and alot.
This. You know they're more than just a decoration Oxigen
Check above.
Get me a key, and I will. Been dying to.
You know what, you are right. That was insensitive of me to describe something like that as shallow.
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I love "serious discussion GAF", it feel like I can never get this far into an argument on any other place without it turning into a fistfight...
Thank you, Gaborn. I truly appreciate it.
You're very welcome Billie. I don't know if you read my PM or not but I meant what I said, if you need to talk... I'm always willing to listen.
I don't mean to sound harsh in saying this, but I will take the words of transwomen who have had the surgery and then had sex over "looking it up". As with other aspect of it, it depends on who you go to and how good they are at what they do. Obviously, it isn't perfect, but there also seems to be some misconceptions on what the results can be.
Also, some things are far, far more important than sex.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Ever since finding out about Larry's transition to Lana, I've oft referred to the duo as "The Wachowski Brothers and the Wachowski Sister". (Animaniacs reference for the heathens.)
I must admit, the pink dreadlock look is good, too.
I must admit, the pink dreadlock look is good, too.
I did, I'm just trying to calm down.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Absolutely 0 problems with this, good for her.
Not sure why this kind of private stuff needs to be newsworthy though, its so personal. Oh well.
Not sure why this kind of private stuff needs to be newsworthy though, its so personal. Oh well.
What's Cisgender mean? I googled it but the wiki and urban dictionary definitions confused me. Been a long day
Well personally I think you're doing a good job of that (as per usual!)
Someone who's body matches their gender identity.
Diatribe1974
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I'm glad he finally took the plunge & went in the right direction with this and didn't fuck around getting the job done in transitioning into Lana from Larry. My only gripe is those dreadlocks have got to go. Holy fuck those were awful looking. But aside from that, I'm glad she finally got there. I wonder how much work is left to be done? Unlike some men who become women, Larry became Lana reasonably well, while some men need a ton of work. Still, I'm glad for her.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
To a degree, it's kind of hard to avoid some sort public explanation or introduction when a person changes their actual gender. Especially to confirm that it's a literal change of gender, so it's now appropriate to refer to that person with different pronouns, etc.
Otherwise, especially for a famous person, it just spreads misleading rumors like "famous director cross-dresses randomly" etc.
On that note, I always greatly enjoyed how one performer, Heather Alexander, transitioned and handled the PR: Heatherlands
Essentially when she became James Alexander Adams, "Heather" Alexander was playfully referred to as another person whose musical catalog was inherited by James Adams - since Heather Alexander shockingly turned out to be a changeling who zipped off to ye olde fairie lands without warning, never to be seen again.
Do it with style, I say.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
There are also people who believe with their entire being that they are Jesus Christ come again, but I don't think there are many doctors that will take their perfectly healthy hands and feet and cut holes in them so they can appear how they really feel.
I hate these threads, it always feels like a minefield. It's like if you don't go with the grain of hivemind of GAF in 'touchy' subjects and try to explain your point of view it's auto-ban.
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kittens
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Cool. Good for her.
Edit : Laughtrey, your ignorance isn't a "different point of view". It's cissexism.
Edit : Laughtrey, your ignorance isn't a "different point of view". It's cissexism.
lol, how stupid and immature, the joke's on them since they already paid the money for it
Science and the medical establishment disagree with you and agree with your so-called "hivemend." Get over yourself.
Vermillion
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Seriously. It's hardly even symbolic.
It's like setting your own money on fire. Hell, returning it would be a smarter (still immature) option!
NewGamePlus
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And yet doctors do help transgender people transition. Why do you think that is? Perhaps the decades of research?
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Money, probably.
You don't see how bizarre your comparison is? You really ought to sit down and think that one through for a while.
Vermillion
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You're right on both counts. On the first point, that would actually be physically damaging to people, and isn't comparable with changing someone who's healthy to someone who's healthy. As for every other figure - plastic surgery exists, you can get breast implants if you'd like, and other implants. People can change to become more comfortable in every aspect, so long as it's healthy. And that includes gender.
On the second point - I'm willing to discuss with you.
Said people also tend to reportedly claim the ability to convey God's messages, perform miracles, and any other number of physically unverifiable feats (and that's to speak nothing of the various ones who've started cults to ensnare followers for the purpose of capturing their love, money, lives, etc).
I hate these threads too, because there's always half-baked thought experiments such as the one above to derail more thoughtful discussion. You can do better. Will you?
I can't even comprehend what point you are trying to convey with this response.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Ah; conspiracy theory. Last refuge of refusing to believe in rational explanations because those explanations disagree with personal convictions.
"Science shows this is true."
"The scientists lie!"
"Why would they lie?"
"Who knows, maybe they were paid off, I just KNOW I'm right!"
You will blame this on the 'hive mind' but in my experience while GAF is hardly perfect, it has a STRONG bias towards agreeing with things that are rationally established and backed up, rather than personal opinion and pet peeves, like say, disliking the idea of transgenderism just 'cause.
Then people run into that brick wall head first, and claim that everyone else is just being mean.
Before was only gossip sites talking about the private life of the rich and famous.
Today is like oficial press release
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's kind of like the Anderson Cooper thing.
EVERYONE knew. But making it official does positively influence society.
Freewheelin'
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Have there been any brother/sister directors? I only ever hear of brother/brother....
Btw this is a cool thing. It's fine, let them be who they want.
Btw this is a cool thing. It's fine, let them be who they want.
It's kind of funny. I remember first hearing about it maybe a year after it happened and I bet if I could look at my reaction then and compare it to my views now, they would be totally different. And a lot of that is because of GAF. So thanks GAF, for helping me to become a generally more accepting person.
Oxigen_Waste
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I don't think it's part of who I am at all. It transports me around, but that's about it. It's part of how I experience the world, I agree. How exactly does that make it any different than any other vessel?
I'm not ignoring anyone. Read closely and you'll see. I've addressed that particular point several times. It's a fact that it results in a loss of sensitivity. Which or course means nothing when it comes to pleasure, being that it's a subjective entity. Go read my posts.
Well, I've watched a few documentaries on the subject and they said different. Mainly, they only have 1 type of orgasm as opposed to 3. No endometrium (which accounts for the whole "feels different" thing) and being that it isn't a self regulatory entity it smells and tastes completely different. Lack of fluids and the fact that it's much less deep kinda make that one a no brainer, though.
I claim that extensive well informed studies on the matter are more trustworthy than your friend. But do correct me, this isn't bickering, I'm here to learn.
Actually, the smell comes from the combo of hormones, muccus, urine and the endometrium. Of which trans only have 2. They do have a smell, it's the "just showered" smell, which most actually preffer. But hey, the only point is that it isn't the same.
Whoa, I never said trans people were mentally ill... oO I said not acting how you want to act is clearly a psychological issue and not a pyshical one. You cant act anyway you want and that's nobody's business. If you have any sort of issue with that, that's your own psychological limitation, be it because of shame or because you feel obligated to stick to a certain behaviour pattern, there's nothing physical about it. It takes bravery, though, of course.
I'm merely borrowing from what I've read and seen.
I agree.
Hell, my whole point started there... I think changing genitals is kinda useless as it doesn't really matter and in my opinion does more harm than good. I'm all for the LGBT movement.Dysphoria only does if you obsess over your toolbelt, in my opinion. As long as you can be wih the ones you love, why should it matter what you're packing?
Of course it's very similar. In their heads. Like he says.
Let's step out of their biased little personas for a second... a motor incapacity prevents you from taking part in hundreds of activities. A psychological need for comfort only prevents you from enjoying that which you let it. Don't you even dare compare the actual burden of losing a limb to the necessity of feeling comfortable.
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Smal disclaimer, since some people who got into this halfway seem to think I'm against the transgendered... I have absolutely nothing against transgendered people or gay people or anyone, really... I'm merely discussing on wether or not it is actually worthy to have a sex change... the actual sexual reassignment part.
RiccochetJ
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I could have sworn that they dropped the "The Wachowski Brothers" with the release of Speed Racer, but I'm looking at the credits on youtube and it's still there. Now I'm trying to figure out where and when I saw it go to "The Wachowskis". Does anyone know?
Vermillion
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I don't think it's part of who I am at all. It transports me around, but that's about it. It's part of how I experience the world, I agree. How exactly does that make it any different than any other vessel?
I'm not ignoring anyone. Read closely and you'll see. I've addressed that particular point several times. It's a fact that it results in a loss of sensitivity. Which or course means nothing when it comes to pleasure, being that it's a subjective entity. Go read my posts.
Well, I've watched a few documentaries on the subject and they said different. Mainly, they only have 1 type of orgasm as opposed to 3. No endometrium (which accounts for the whole "feels different" thing) and being that it isn't a self regulatory entity it smells and tastes completely different. Lack of fluids and the fact that it's much less deep kinda make that one a no brainer, though.
I claim that extensive well informed studies on the matter are more trustworthy than your friend. But do correct me, this isn't bickering, I'm here to learn.
Actually, the smell comes from the combo of hormones, muccus, urine and the endometrium. Of which trans only have 2. They do have a smell, it's the "just showered" smell, which most actually preffer. But hey, the only point is that it isn't the same.
Whoa, I never said trans people were mentally ill... oO I said not acting how you want to act is clearly a psychological issue and not a pyshical one. You cant act anyway you want and that's nobody's business. If you have any sort of issue with that, that's your own psychological limitation, be it because of shame or because you feel obligated to stick to a certain behaviour pattern, there's nothing physical about it. It takes bravery, though, of course.
I'm merely borrowing from what I've read and seen.
I agree.
Dysphoria only does if you obsess over your toolbelt, in my opinion. As long as you can be wih the ones you love, why should it matter what you're packing?
Of course it's very similar. In their heads. Like he says.
Let's step out of their biased little personas for a second... a motor incapacity prevents you from taking part in hundreds of activities. A psychological need for comfort only prevents you from enjoying that which you let it. Don't you even dare compare the actual burden of losing a limb to the necessity of feeling comfortable.
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Smal disclaimer, since some people who got into this halfway seem to think I'm against the transgendered... I have absolutely nothing against transgendered people or gay people or anyone, really... I'm merely discussing on wether or not it is actually worthy to have a sex change... the actual sexual reassignment part.
All of these things could have changed since you've read/watched the material you have. Hell, according to lexi, the self-lubrication is relatively recent as it is.
What kind of studies? I want to see this study. I want to see the study that says GRS is a wound, I want to see the study that says trans people are shallow for wanting GRS, I want to see the study that questions why trans women even want GRS, the implausibility of why they aren't just happy and content with having a penis.
Count Dookkake
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NewGamePlus
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You didn't actually read those links did you? From a resolution from the American Medical Association downloadable here:
AMA said:
Oxigen_Waste
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Very possible. This is all stuff from 3 or so years ago.
You went and took it personal.
I never said GRS was a wound. I said cosmetic vaginas are essentially a flesh hole, and not a replica of a vagina... there's no endometrium, no bacteria, the muscular distribution is completely different, the tissues aren't the same, etc, etc, etc... and all that is not even going into the cosmetic penis discussion.
I did say they were shallow. I never claimed any study backed that up and I have since apologized or that remark. Although I do personally believe that they are indeed putting way too much importance on a piece of flesh. The same goes for the questioning why someone would want it.
You wanna talk about it, by all means, let's... but don't breakdown like a 2 year old whose parents just got divorced over stuff I didn't even say. Relax...
I don't really understand your insistence on judging them for this when you know you have little understanding and no personal experience of the mindset that spurred them to want it in the first place. If it were only a piece of flesh to them we wouldn't be having this discussion, but you move onto making the judgment anyway without resolving your own ignorance about their reasoning. Seems an entirely wasteful thought.
butter_stick
Banned
I hope he's happy.
Vermillion
Banned
Make your post like mine, quick.
Oxigen_Waste
Banned
I did read it. But this has nothing to do with it.
What exactly does the AMA have to do with anything, by the way?
They ARE a cosmetic procedure. By definition... if they're not curing any physical ailments, then it's a FACT. Only in a country as wacky as the USA would someone even try to refute this. oO Which doesn't change the FACT (second one) that they may obviously provide treatment to an ailment that is as serious as dysphoria. However, dysphoria is obviously an issue of psychological nature (not saying it's an illness, read me properly here)... the persona does not identify with the body, therefore one must change the body so that the persona does identify with it. How exactly is this not cosmetic? Or a psychological issue?
You sir, are correct. But like I said, "I do personally believe". Meaning, that is my reasoning. Although it perhaps may be harsh of me to assume I can understand something which I clearly cannot.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
It's only a little hole in his hands and feet, a piercing at best. Why not just let him believe he's Jesus and everyone is happy when he can prove to everyone he's been stigmatized.
You'd be the only one, that's for sure.
I really don't. That's the point. Who decided one self image is valid and one isn't? What if someone didn't like how tall they were and they wanted to be a foot shorter. What if someone from the day they were born felt they should've been a mermaid and wanted their fingers and toes webbed together?
I can't even think of an example where someone wouldn't say "Oh now you're just being ridiculous." but that's how I feel about gender re-assignment surgery. Changing yourself so drastically because of how you feel with no way to go back. What kind of mental evaluations does someone go through before getting the surgery? Again, what kind of doctor will take healthy organs and change them so drastically for the sake of mental health?
This is my last post on this subject for sure. I expected some sort of backlash but nothing like the one I got. I don't know anything about the subject, I think people should be able to do what they want if they are legitimately of sound mind. I was willing to talk about it and educate myself but I guess there's no place for that here. I don't agree; therefor I'm a hateful bigot.
LOL
It's standard procedure (at least in the US) for someone desiring the surgery to live full time as their gender identity for a year before being allowed the surgery.
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