Believe it or not, gamers who like the Atelier series are NOT pedophiles

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I actually like item creation but screens like the octopus one make games like this a no purchase for me. Maybe I should look into the older ones ...
 
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Cute things don't sell in America? Then why are those cute looking disney movies popular with just about everyone here?
 
Cute things don't sell in America? Then why are those cute looking disney movies popular with just about everyone here?

Nobody implied that cute things don't sell in America.
 
This thread is mindblowing.

To judge people just because of their avatar? o_O

It's pretty stupid. I recall dozens of people in a thread on the OT saying they would disregard someones post if they had an anime avatar. I guess some people do judge a book by their cover.

And WTF at this thread growing so fast. Got dinner and come back for ten pages. Yikes.
 
Great post, yeah where were all the people calling out "pedos" when Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana dropped back in '05 (first game in the series to come to the US)? I think now all of a sudden with the rise of the 'dudebro' gamer there's a huge backlash to anything that looks remotely "exotic" in games.

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Choice of leads and to a lesser degree design was definitely a huge factor there I think. Late teenaged male lead, possibly late teenaged female lead, and the typical JRPG gamut's covered for the other characters. Was really more cartoonish than anything else.
If you guys think the Atelier series is lolibait, then wait till you see Mugen Souls.
Yeah, there's... moments that give me pause in Atelier, but if they scrubbed those out it'd just be a cute yet arguably more mature design aesthetic, whereas Mugen Souls just seems to drive straight over the damn cliff. And judging by the ESRB blurb I guess all they got rid of was the scrubbing action, not the bath scenes themselves.
What burns me up the most is that, if we'd simply gotten the Salburg games all those years ago, this thread would instead be titled "why the heck has Atelier gone in the direction it has"? The original games were wonderfully non-gratuitous.

I do hope someone sees this post but this thread is a disaster area already and it kind of breaks my heart. Dammit, Gust.
Yeah, it's why I'm most interested in Ayesha honestly. Trying the alchemy focused gameplay rather than Iris's failed transition to a more traditional JRPG format, and with an older teenager lead rather than a young teenager! Did those titles actually push past that and go to the 20s actually?
 
I will only consider this forum balanced when I see 15 people with bald space marine avatars to balance out the moe lolis
 
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It's pretty stupid. I recall dozens of people in a thread on the OT saying they would disregard someones post if they had an anime avatar. I guess some people do judge a book by their cover.
This thread is giving me a headache.

My last thought for today: in terms of moment-to-moment gameplay the Arland games are pretty similar to Football Manager.
 
Well the Japanese are not exactly sexually healthy right now are they? Isn't there a big problem there with young people and population decline?

True, but so does Italy (Fertility rate, or average number of births per woman: 1.38) and Germany (1.41). Hell, Poland has a lower fertility rate (1.23) than Japan (1.27). Japan's problem is that there's not enough immigration in to offset the natural population loss.
 
Well the Japanese are not exactly sexually healthy right now are they? Isn't there a big problem there with young people and population decline?

I'm not sure what to answer to that, I only ever remember being interested in Japanimation from my tender childhood. I think Westerners have a problem with Japanimation, and in their eyes, it is for kids, pedophiles, people with mental illness, etc. That's just an observation.

Sure I liked BTAS, X-Men, Spider-man 90s, but beyond them, bleh. I even consider TMNT to be Eastern.

The vibrant colors in the games me happy, the youth in the game reminds me of my youth. :)
 
True, but so does Italy (Fertility rate, or average number of births per woman: 1.38) and Germany (1.41). Hell, Poland has a lower fertility rate (1.23) than Japan (1.27). Japan's problem is that there's not enough immigration in to offset the natural population loss.
Here in America, immigration is the primary driver of population growth.
 
Just woke up. Wonder what people think of my avatar.


Sicko.


Are there people that spend 60 bucks just for fetish pleasures? Oh wait, nvm.

And the art for this series is gorgeous. If the gameplay was more akin to something I like I'd probably play them too.

No biggie.
 
But hey, as I said cute things sell in Japan and largely don't in America and stigma and blah blah blah I've already gone over this with my previous post and all I wanted to do was come up with a cunning excuse to link to some Noisia.
Good taste.

The third one is about as SD as you can get. This is as she normally looks.

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Ban this sick filth.

[quote="Zabuza, post: 40570163"]Ain't nothing wrong with anime, just little girls.[/quote]
What did they do in order to get discriminated against? No fair!

[quote="NervousXtian, post: 40570176"]Choosing to use her as your avatar.. that's.. well.. slightly disturbing.[/quote]
Why, though?

"She's a good character, but she's also a little girl and it makes me uncomfortable so you can't use her as an avatar."?
 
I think GAF's dudebro game needs a section where you come across a battle between Spheess Mahrines and loli moe~ characters. You should get to choose who you fight for.
They should reveal that the April Fool's joke wasn't fake and there really is a pony mode.
 
Let's ban Lolita, is a filthy book about a pedophile. Let's ban Stephen King's It because that
the child orgy

Also, lets ban military shooters and Mortal Kombat because they create killers

Lolita is all about an vile man who sexualizes a child. I have to assume that you don't know anything about the book based on the fact that you'd try to make that argument.

The sex scene in It is weird and I don't really want to defend that, but at least it's played for horror and not "cuteness".
 
Are you speaking for all anime fans, or just the folks who have been accused in this thread?

If you're speaking for everyone who likes anime, I really cannot agree with such a broad statement because it's probably false.

What does SD mean?

I was talking about Zel and I in that case, but also the vast majority of anime fans. Only a very small number actually view these things in a sexual manner, and even of those, only a tiny handful would ever act out upon such desires outside of fantasy. Im not saying such fans dont exist, because these companies are obviously marketing specifically to those people, its just that the vast majority of them have the common sense to lay low and not talk about it anyway.

But getting back to the subject, I can definitely see peoples point about the material in these games being questionable because of that market they are specifically aimed at, and I honestly do feel that anime/manga, and games should have the young character fanservice dialed back significantly. It really gets out of hand when companies are now producing sexual toys depicting these exact characters. Thats where I think it goes way too far into dangerous territory. Oversexualizing characters in general is something I honestly dont have an appreciation for much. Cute outfits are fine and make for interesting figurine designs, but sexy outfits on young girls - not my thing personally. But the main problem otaku face is that their hobby has been so stigmatized by what the media portrays it as that it has almost fallen into irreedemability. You cannot reason away everything thats going on in this fandom, because truth be told, the marketing DOES exploit young girls. It just doesnt mean that everybody SEES IT THAT WAY. It all really just depends on how you look at it and personally react to these aspects of the culture.

In a really long winded way I'm just saying don't worry about it so much, because you know who you are as a person and let that be the thing that defines you, not the things you like.
 
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First just because someone finds something cute doesn't mean they're sexually attracted to it. I find kittens cute, but I don't want to have sex with any kittens.

Second, you posted a photograph, the pictures Hitokage mentioned are artwork, there is a difference between the two. Personally I'm not a fan of moe anime, but I'm not going to be judge others just for liking something I don't.

*Eagerly awaits for others to judge me on my lack of an avatar*
 
But isn't that source of the problem?

I'd say the real source of the problem is our primal, "lizard" brains.

It's true that adult males shouldn't be enjoying looking up the dress of preteen girls, animated or not. Although civilized human beings should also not derive pleasure from brutal displays of violence, yet we do and relish in it regularly, as many of the top selling movies and video games prove. Take for instance that there were so many people who were upset that you couldn't kill the children in Skyrim that a mod was created to fill the demand.
 
I know the definition, but you seem to be implying something further than that?
Basically, we don't live in a world of innocence and it shouldn't be treated as such. Chasing youth and innocence is an unhealthy and ultimately fruitless pursuit. The sexualization of underage boys and girls is related to that, I think.

Japan needs to grow up.
 
I need a list of games that I need to avoid in order to be considered "normal" in here.

Can someone care to make a list?

bloody ridiculous
 
Lolita is all about an vile man who sexualizes a child. I have to assume that you don't know anything about the book based on the fact that you'd try to make that argument.
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Actually, there are literary critics that argument tha Lolita is actually a touching love story even if the main protagonist is painted (until a certain extent) as vile.
 
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