Believe it or not, gamers who like the Atelier series are NOT pedophiles

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What is the appeal of anime children?

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What is the explanation for this:
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What is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT2GRpwwS8M

When you support companies that sexualize children, you're supporting pedophilia, doesn't matter how good the "game" is. Especially when the rewards are putting these children in perverse situations.

If you want to end the pedophilia promotion stereotype that's continually reinforced by anime companies stop defending their material no matter how "good" it is. I love Mario, but if the end goal was to rape the child princess at the end I wouldn't be supporting it.

Are we still posting that same picture? You have never played an Atelier game have you?
 
There is a potential for this thread to discuss how presentation does absolutely affect how people play and evaluate video games. I would like to think that the majority of people who play games consistently would evaluate games based on how they play rather than how they look, but there is always a game that people think "crosses the line" and despite the OP's intentions (though the thread title does not do the OP any favors) this thread has become more about presentation than about gameplay.

Honestly, I don't know much to anything about this series of games, other than it might be a JRPG with unique mechanics. I have in the past played games for their presentation (mostly music though, I will play through any game if it has a good soundtrack, Unlimited Saga included), but usually I am more turned off by presentation that insults my intelligence than offends my sensibilities. Though I have never really really played any of the super niche Japanese games that people label "moe," other than maybe No More Heroes 2 (though I think it makes fun of the concept of "moe" rather than takes it seriously, but it is more of a "isn't this silly?" satire than a "this is horrible and you should feel horrible for enjoying this" satire).
 
So... wait... if somebody has an avatar of Ellie, from The Last of Us, are they auto-pedo now too?

(I'm allowed to have an opinion, as my avatar is of an adult female from western animation.)
 
What is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT2GRpwwS8M

When you support companies that sexualize children, you're supporting pedophilia, doesn't matter how good the "game" is. Especially when the rewards are putting these children in perverse situations.

If you want to end the pedophilia promotion stereotype that's continually reinforced by anime companies stop defending their material no matter how "good" it is. I love Mario, but if the end goal was to rape the child princess at the end I wouldn't be supporting it.

lol, okay think I can safely say this is a troll.
 
What's going on in here?

I can't believe this argument exists among gamers of all people.

While I don't personally enjoy or agree with the way underage girls are often depicted in animated Japanese media, saying that the Atelier franchise and similar entertainment is a gateway drug into pedophilia and shouldn't be enjoyed by any normal adult male is no different than saying Grand Theft Auto is a gateway drug into jacking cars and killing hookers. Such sensational claims are made by the misguided media quite often, and gamers are the first to laugh them off or dismiss them aggressively.

And don't give me this shit about not being able to find the "moe" art style cute. I'm a grown ass man, and I find the cast of Azumanga Daioh cute in the same way as I find Pikachu cute, and I assure you I have no desire to stick my dick in Pickachu. I also go to bars and have sex with women.

These generalizations are hilarious to me.
 
Reminds me that I completely forgot to buy Meruru.

It can join my pile of unopened Atelier titles T.T
 
I applaud what you set out to do Rurouni Zel, but I feel it's wasted energy.

Anyways, I like the Atelier games or, well game since I only played the first one so far. I still have the second one boxed and the have to buy the third, but the cute art style and alchemy stuff are nice. My only complaint about them is the time limit, simply because I dislike time limits in general tho.

Oh, and while I'm in the thread and I see Extollere here, I'm gonna ask something OT: where can I see some of your beautiful drawings man?
 
So... wait... if somebody has an avatar of Ellie, from the last of us, are they auto-pedo now too?

(I'm allowed to have an opinion, as my avatar is of an adult female from western animation.)

Regular little girls are OK. Moe anime little girls are a problem, though.
 
This thread is mindblowing.

To judge people just because of their avatar? o_O

Maybe I should start thinking anyone with a Call of Duty/military themed avatars as stupid dudebro folks or those little children who screamed bigoted things through XBLA. Maybe I should start thinking anyone with a real-life picture of themselves as avatar as bloody narcissists. Maybe I should start thinking anyone with a picture of actor/actresses as their avatar as screaming fanboy/girls.

So bloody ridiculous.

I guess you missed the thread where people admitted to putting every single person with an anime avatar on ignore and got mad whenever a mod with one came along.
 
What's going on in here?

I can't believe this argument exists among gamers of all people.
It's not exactly 1995 anymore. The crowd has gotten a little bigger.

Plus that's a generalization in itself. Hypocrisy I say!
 
That's the problem. They think that playing dudebro games do make them more mature, do to all the guns, blood, tits, explosions and grey.

Wait, you are defending enjoying games showing underage girl upskirt by complaining about "dudebro"? There's a lot of non-dudebro games that don't go all lil' girl upskirt.

Now my avatar is now Arya Stark, a character who is canonically a little girl, and is portrayed by an actress who is the same age as my little sister.

BAN THIS SICK FILTH!

Of all the characters from the show, to pick Arya.. yeah.. little creepy to be honest.
 
What's going on in here?

I can't believe this argument exists among gamers of all people.

While I don't personally enjoy or agree with the way underage girls are often depicted in animated Japanese media, saying that the Atelier franchise and similar entertainment is a gateway drug into pedophilia and shouldn't be enjoyed by any normal adult male is no different than saying Grand Theft Auto is a gateway drug into jacking cars and killing hookers. Such sensational claims are made by the misguided media quite often, and gamers are the first to laugh them off or dismiss them aggressively.

And don't give me this shit about not being able to find the "moe" art style cute. I'm a grown ass man, and I find the cast of Azumanga Daioh cute in the same way as I find Pikachu cute, and I assure you I have no desire to stick my dick in Pickachu. I also go to bars and have sex with women.

These generalizations are hilarious to me.

I like this post.
 
"hate" is a stretch. I only hate the little girl ones. Or Pony ones. Or the Nintendo ones.

Anything other than that is on a case by case basis.

My avatar is now a little boy RIDING a young, female, Nintendo pony. Let's keep playing this game, I'm having fun!
 
Zel, I think of you almost like a brother on Gaf. You support my favorite football team, you like anime and cute things. You have a family, and you are a responsible hard working citizen. Your art is very nice. I got your back on this.

Cute stuff is cute. There are cute people. There are cute objects. There are cute games, cute characters, and cute pictures. Cute things are what you make of them. Nowhere in the stipulation of finding something simply cute does it mean you are sexually attracted to it. I found a drawing of a girl puking on a little cat the other day and thought the cat and overall picture was adorable. I find certain bugs and spiders cute. Those little jumping spiders? FUCKING CUTE! Does this make us manchildren? Probably. We are guilty as fucking charged there. It is a challenge then to make people understand that we are not sexually attracted to little girls. What are games and anime filled with? Little girls obviously. Do we like these games? Yes. Do we like those anime? Yes. Do we equate little girls in fantasy to our real desires sexually? Definitely not. It doesnt help that these characters are often dressed provocatively. Truth be told these items are marketed directly to a VERY NICHE group of people who do see them that way, but they also attract a larger audience who quite simply just likes cuteness because it makes them happy. I dont really know why this concept above so many others is difficult for people to grasp. You can grasp peoples sexual preference or political bend, or their taste in culture but for some reason the notion that a man can simply like cute things just doesnt register.

On a fundamental level, the brain may or may not see a bit of attraction in a young female, but thats what the basic human desire to multiply is supposed to react to. The difference comes from simply following the id, to going to higher brain function where judgement comes into play. Can people honestly say they havent wanted to steal something? Can they say they never wanted to do something bad ever? Of course not. We are all human. But the difference is people dont follow through with those acts. They use judgement and they SEPARATE REALITY FROM FICTION. Thats the most important part. Everybody has weird fucked up fetishes. Everybody has probably had an illegal thought or two, but all this really just explain the reason why self control and following laws is important. It is only the people who put these thoughts into practice that are actually dangerous, or else WE WOULD ALL BE IN JAIL MERELY FOR THINKING OF THINGS. Minority Report anyone? nobody wants that shit. Thats why people desire to be free. But there are responsibilities to being free such as NOT DOING FUCKED UP ILLEGAL SHIT.

There are however a wider group of people (like you and me) who are just simply childlike. I hold down a full time job. I have very little debt and soon I will have enough money saved up to put a down payment on a home. However I have never been so much as kissed by a woman. The two go hand in hand I suppose as I haven't tried very hard to market myself to the opposite sex, but it is what it is. I like childish things. I mentally live a more youthful lifestyle, but my sex drive is really, REALLY low. I just don't give a shit about getting laid to be honest. Im not obese and I think I look pretty decent to be honest so its not confidence issues, but somehow I missed the testosterone boat. But whatever. I like to surround myself with cute things, characters, objects, and culture. It keeps me happy and entertained, and it keeps me able to deal with the stresses of life. Not in a million years would I even think of inappropriately touching any child or teenager, let alone mistreat a woman. But somehow, in the grand scheme of things, possessing a gun makes you a killer much the same as possessing cute items makes you a pedophile. If you guys want to direct your hatred towards me and leave Zel out of it, fine with me.

My best suggestion to you is to just continue enjoying yourself. In no time that you have been alive have you hurt a child or mistreated one. You havent been on the news with pedophilia charges or threatened such actions. So really, dont worry what others think of you so much, because in the grand scheme of things WE ARE ALL FUCKED UP SOMEHOW.
So embrace those quirky things that make you who you are and as long as you have a firm grip on reality, you will be ok. Plus if I liked RPGs more (working through my first one, Xenoblade) then I would certainly have tried out these games you talk about. If these games were so dangerous and indicated pedophilia, people who bought them would be arrested on the spot. Think about it for a moment.

Well I said my piece so feel free to tear this comment apart. It doesn't really matter to me.
 
No More Heroes 2 (though I think it makes fun of the concept of "moe" rather than takes it seriously, but it is more of a "isn't this silly?" satire than a "this is horrible and you should feel horrible for enjoying this" satire).
It's funny that you mention this, since the Atelier Totori screenshot repeatedly posted in this thread does exactly the same with the tentacle concept (it's a humorous event related to a late-game optional boss fight that makes fun of the whole tentacle concept).


You'd be surprised...
Confirmed necrophiliac.
 
What burns me up the most is that, if we'd simply gotten the Salburg games all those years ago, this thread would instead be titled "why the heck has Atelier gone in the direction it has"? The original games were wonderfully non-gratuitous.

I do hope someone sees this post but this thread is a disaster area already and it kind of breaks my heart. Dammit, Gust.
 
What burns me up the most is that, if we'd simply gotten the Salburg games all those years ago, this thread would instead be titled "why the heck has Atelier gone in the direction it has"? The original games were wonderfully non-gratuitous.

I do hope someone sees this post but this thread is a disaster area already and it kind of breaks my heart. Dammit, Gust.

Your company is a blight on the industry. Bringing this filth overseas? Despicable.

I've bought all of your games
 
Would the cute pictures be acceptable for females? lol Anyways i think in western culture it's a kind of norm for men to have this toughness about them and show no emotion attitude.Hell i can say my dad raised me with that mindset.Anything that's decidedly feminine by western standards in is "gay"

Honestly, some criticisms leveled against Japanese characters (most notably Tidus and Vaan) are that they are "girly men" and I've always felt they had a slight semblance of homophobia behind them...
 
I've played games from the Atelier Iris series and they seemed like chaste, fluffy, goofy anime RPG adventures. I liked the designs and cheer of it all. It was quite innocent.
... Save for each game having one scene with the girl(s) in lingerie. It brought a brief frown.

That octopus / panty picture though, uh... I guess that's too much for me.
 
This thread went in all kinds of strange directions.

While I admit that fanservice panty shots is a little bit overdone in the games, under the hood are addicting games with a well-developed gameplay style that separates it from the pack.

I enjoyed the Atelier games more than 99% of the games released last gen, and it was for the addictive gameplay, not for any pretenses of pedophilia. Hell, I would have preferred if they had older, more reliable female characters as leads.
 
Well, to be fair, the OP lays out the appeal of the Arland games very well. It just went downhill from there.

Yeah, my intention was to talk about how these games have compelling gameplay and that I can enjoy these games without thinking "hur hur I like little girls" like so much of GAF seems to assume. It went off the rails from there, I apologize.
 
How about now?
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This is fantastic.

This thread is mindblowing.

To judge people just because of their avatar? o_O

Maybe I should start thinking anyone with a Call of Duty/military themed avatars as stupid dudebro folks or those little children who screamed bigoted things through XBLA. Maybe I should start thinking anyone with a real-life picture of themselves as avatar as bloody narcissists. Maybe I should start thinking anyone with a picture of actor/actresses as their avatar as screaming fanboy/girls.

So bloody ridiculous.

It seems like we have this same thread every couple of months. Before it was "people with Pony avatars are pedophiles." Now it's "people with moe avatars are pedophiles." Shit is just embarrassing.

Someone's avatar doesn't define who/what they are.
 
MAYBE IF I MAKE THE VAGUE CLAIM THAT THIS GAME IS COMPELLING THEY'LL IGNORE THE PRURIENCE AND CLEAR ATTEMPTS AT TITILLATION AND...

IT DOES COMPEL ME TO GET A BONER, SO AT LEAST I'M NOT LYING

I'M A GAF POSTER
 
Let's ban Lolita, is a filthy book about a pedophile. Let's ban Stephen King's It because that
the child orgy

Also, lets ban military shooters and Mortal Kombat because they create killers

We can get to the issue of a ban later. Never read Lolita, but I disagree with the subject matter and will not read it. In It it felt unnecessary and wouldn't recommend the book to others. In military shooters you play as the goods guys saving the world. MK is more comedy. You'd think that a child being raped by an octopus would be so out there you could almost label it comedy, until you realize it is it's own subgenre with people getting off on it all the time.

For the record:

Middle school (SD), middle school, high school (SD), high school.

So it's kind of like some video games made in Japan where they sexualize children then change their ages to 18 when it's brought overseas?
 
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