<devilsadvocate>It's called a leotard and you can see it the entire game so it's not like it was sneaking a peek at something you shouldn't be seeing.</devilsadvocate>
Believe it or not, gamers who like the Atelier series are NOT pedophiles
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<devilsadvocate>It's called a leotard and you can see it the entire game so it's not like it was sneaking a peek at something you shouldn't be seeing.</devilsadvocate>
Theonik
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It's a British thing though the British spelling is more accurate to its origin.
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Not by their nature no. I guess like most things it depends on context and presentation. Because it would justifiably so be hard to convince people that pantyshots on say a show like RKB aren't intended to be pandering.
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Ok this made me laugh because it makes no sense.
You know going onto the subject, would playing persona 3 and 4 make you a "pedophile" due to the social link aspect of the game? Heck one of the moments is related to a character wishing to be a stripper and pole dancing
Why did they have to draw her in a suggestive situation just as that? Having a tentacle scene period is pretty suggestive in itself.
I think it'll also largely depend on what angle we're at here. Shows with moe characters vs Shows with a moeblob focus. I think of the latter when people make the complaints but I wager the former is their real problem. I agree with you that the lineup doesn't seem to have too many moeblob shows but, at the same time, I can see someone easily making the argument based off the images.
Also, different strokes etc.
There's a quota.
Uhhh...do you even know what weeaboo means?
Right, RKB is definitely a pedo show. But I'm seeing a whole "PANTYSHOTS = AUTO PEDO" thing going on here, and it just makes no sense all things considered. It's people seeing what they want to see.
Because they were attacked by an octopus?
The RKB merchandise was just ... just ... ...
Y'know, thinking back to those, I may have to change which side of the argument I'm on for the future.
I can see what you're saying here. The art in anime in general seems to be tilting more toward moe/cutesy and the like. Even the shonen anime in the summer season have a very cutesy art style to them, in comparison to something like Naruto.
I can definitely see, and understand, someone having a problem with that. It annoys me a little too.
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I really wish I didn't know what a weeaboo is, so I could remain blissfully ignorant of them. Alas.
I was thinking of it, but there's almost no anime that manly these days
.I used Naruto, because even in comparison to that something like Sword Art Online looks far less manly.
Moe Fist of the North Star has to have been done at some point. I refuse to believe it hasn't.
Eh, only shounen anime this season is Binbougami ga and that's following the manga's art style
I was thinking of it, but there's almost no anime that manly these days
I used Naruto, because even in comparison to that something like Sword Art Online looks far less manly.
I would disagree with that assertion, but Naruto and SAO are really quite different.
That still doesn't explain why they felt the need to put her in that particular position.
You do realize that this was Hirako Shinji's best friend in Bleach:
How could you possibly allow yourself to be represented by a grown man that hangs around a character with the body of a ten-year-old girl? Clearly their totally platonic friendship is just a facade.
Oh wait, she's actually hundreds of years old, so...
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What is shonen anime and does Berserk count as being shonen?
Theonik
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No argument there, I would wholly agree with that.
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But if you knew what the term ment then you would know why what you said was really off and wrong. The shows are made to cater to people in Japan, thus by default it can't cater to weeaboo's . Weeaboos might like it and shit but ya. Honestly most weeaboo's enjoy the more common shit like naruto and bleach the more mainstream something is the more weeaboo's you find. True story.
No hell no berserk is not a Shounen LOL
Shounen is stuff like Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragon Ball Normally manga/anime that is aimed at boys
Anime for kids. Berserk is anime for adults and is branded as seinen anime.
Shounen is a much larger umbrella term than you think.
There are series that use fanservice to sexualize, but in my experience the vast majority of times it's just for laughs. There was a recent romance series that used a lot of fanservice, but because of the context it ended up being really dawwww inducing (nazo no kanojo) insted of just for boners or just for laughs
Panties and butts are funny, if regardless of context the first thought you have on seeing a pantyshot is sexual, well, THAT's creepy. Of course if the context is sexual hate away, but most of the time it isn't, at least on the series I watch. And I watch quite a few series
See? Butts are funny. I'd love to post a funny teen/children underwear scene but this is the first image I have on hand and illustrates my point, that butts/underwear aren't inherently sexual. Also I don't know how to quote images, I hope that's how you do it
Berserk is seinen, like K-ON.
You should check out iDOLM@STER -- the Berserk author loves that. The original game character designer of iDOLM@STER directed the recent Berserk movies too. They must be friends.
The years of iDOLM@STER have destroyed Miura's mind.
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Okay thanks. If it's "anime for kids" then yeah... I wouldn't describe Berserk as shonen. Quite the opposite really.
Yep, K-ON is seinen, it's only aimed at sophisticated adults
I was just going by what's adapted from a shounen manga to not hurt my head trying to classify animu
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My favorite Seinen is Chii's sweet home 
Yes this is labeled in the same area as berserk
Yes this is labeled in the same area as berserk
I'm loving the usage of the term. Reminds me of the time when a friend wanted to dismiss something as emo and an older friend looked at him as asked what emo meant.
Damn, I had to do an Advanced Search just to figure out what you were on about.
Er... Thanks, I guess? Hah. Here I go!
That's the opening cinematic. It may have been a trailer at one point, but regardless of whether everything is about presentation these days, it tells me absolutely nothing about the game, other than the art style and general aesthetic.
You are right in the rest of your post though, in that it's catered to a certain audience and I'm sure people play to relax more than anything else. JRPGs haven't clicked with me in a while, and unfortunately I don't see this kind of game making me pick them up again, but I can understand why people might play them on a completely rational level.
Yet another great post by someone who is not only well-informed, but also has a relevant, well-thought-out view. The reason why others dig these games and you don't simply seems to boil down to aesthetics (an example made by bababouille previously. Or, if you think the word "aesthetics" is too pompous, it's purely a matter of taste. People become attached to these games because of the characters and situations involved. Whether you read into the design too much or not enough is not really important - as others have said, the whole paedophile reaction should remain unsaid. It's way beyond a playful stab and really is too much.
This is a almost a decent counter-argument, but I think it falls down when you say the games would still have worked with different protagonists. I haven't played the games, but all I can say to it is this: do you really expect the human race to be that dull at this stage? Think about what we're discussing here - the depiction of young females in fantasy video games. I am no anthropologist, but I'll bet there has been a tonne of controversy over the depiction of everything in ancient and modern art. I'm not calling these games art by any stretch, but there are always people trying to wrap their heads around the meaning and significance of media, and why people are drawn to it.
Isn't that even a little fascinating? If all these games were just about cats, I think we'd be an extremely boring species at best. At worst... well, let's not go there.
Not exactly eloquently put, but this definitely could have been the end of the thread many, many times over.
The sad part is, I'm not even surprised the actual subject matter/argument actually made it to 1000+ posts.
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I just looked up idolmaster on google images and it looks nothing like Berserk... but if you say so. I'll watch the entire first season and see how it compares.
As far as we know about Miura's life, it's basically 364 days of the year playing iDOLM@STER and 1 day working on Berserk.
Well, the main draw of Disgaea is the leveling system combined with a solid TRPG (I'm serious! Though I'm sure this will fall on many deaf ears). I really haven't heard of the artstyle being a big positive point for the series compared to the reactions for, say, the Atelier series.
Yes, let's try to end all discussion with a rather trite one liner.
Uh it really is not like Berserk like at all.
You might like Vagabond. One of the few manga that I actually like.
Disgaea is rather mechanically sound, even with all their mistakes at it. I just kind of wish they'll do something serious with the mechanics for Disgaea 5 (and beyond) rather than heaping more numbers into things.
Mostly because I just want more to solve, I guess.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Bro, I'm pretty sure you have to be 13 or older to have an account here. You should probably stop posting before one of the mods finds out.
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You probably wont like it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinen_manga
Gives you a rundown of what it basically means. It doesn't mean everything is graphic or super serious. It just means it aims towards an older audience with things they would understand better. More real life situations and such.
For example Chii's Sweet Home is about a baby kitten. That's about as far from something manly as you can get. But the fact that it literally goes through the ropes of a cats nature and things they do while growing up over time is something someone who owned a cat growing up or even now could understand and relate to.
I'm guessing you didn't choose your avatar?
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It isn't?! Those google images coulda fooled me.
I was being sarcastic - I'm not going to watch the entire first season of idolmaster. From what I can gather, to do so would pure torture.
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