1. I've seen plenty of mods call juniors, junior.
2. Sony's biggest problem as a whole has been the way they were structured yes, doesn't make is various other false equivalencies any true about SCE.
Back seat nodding is also bannable.
Sony's software brilliance still isn't enough ( gamesindustry.biz )
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1. I've seen plenty of mods call juniors, junior.
2. Sony's biggest problem as a whole has been the way they were structured yes, doesn't make is various other false equivalencies any true about SCE.
Back seat nodding is also bannable.
BadAss2961
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DidntKnowJack
Member
That's not what we were even talking about.
I don't know, I don't think Sony's software is that brilliant. Certainly not brilliant enough to give me more than a rating and a publisher-written description for a game on the Vita PSN store. No screenshots, no direct-linked video. Sometimes I can't even figure out what the genre is by the awful description from the publisher - which in itself isn't Sony's fault, but if that and the rating are the only things I have to go by, Sony should be insisting publishers put a little more into their descriptions.
Also, I'm still waiting for custom soundtracks on all PS3 games... or a Pandora app, considering how much of an annoyance it is to use Pandora on the web browser. That last one is frustrating because I have a cheap (~$50) Sony Blu-Ray player that has a friggin' Pandora app built in, and it works mostly fine other than the fact that the player itself is just dogshit slow because, well, it's $50.
Also, I'm still waiting for custom soundtracks on all PS3 games... or a Pandora app, considering how much of an annoyance it is to use Pandora on the web browser. That last one is frustrating because I have a cheap (~$50) Sony Blu-Ray player that has a friggin' Pandora app built in, and it works mostly fine other than the fact that the player itself is just dogshit slow because, well, it's $50.
Barkley's Justice
Member
But also not really innovating, right?
What has PS3 given us this gen? Bluray? Anything else?
The other consoles gave us: Gamertags, Achievments, Avatars, motion controls...Help me out, I'm honestly drawing a blank. What has PS3 given us that the other 2 consoles didn't first?
Daydream Sequence
Banned
Home, cross-platform game compatibility. Also the only console that lets you buy a game and have it legally on more than one console.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Games I'm actually interested in.
edit: Ok, that was a bit much. I need to just gtfo of this thread.
disappeared
Banned
Sony seems to be doing their own thing. They're not leading this generation by any margin, but it seems to me like they've kind of said, "well, fuck it", and just keep on doing what they know. Stuff like Rain and Puppeteer seems to solidify that fact, to me anyway.
They're not going to somehow, miraculously, come out on top this generation, but I feel content knowing that they're still trying to bring things to the table that Nintendo and Microsoft aren't.
They're not going to somehow, miraculously, come out on top this generation, but I feel content knowing that they're still trying to bring things to the table that Nintendo and Microsoft aren't.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Uncharted 2 one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. It's like the orcarina of time /ff7 of this generation and was the overall highlight game imo. Demon souls, journey, God of of war 3. Yeah you really need to take that BS somewhere else.
All these games did well on NA by the way.
AdventureRacing
Member
Sony can be blamed for everything. They released a product and they are 100% responsible for how well it does.
Where has this revisionist history come from? PSP was actually doing just as good if not better than the DS early on. It certainly never reached anything like the abysmal numbers the vita is doing. For that matter neither did the PS3.
The PS3 had a ton of 3rd party support lined up from launch including some massive exclusives.
The situations are not comparable any further than just saying "one console improved its sales so why can't the vita have its own miracle?".
Daydream Sequence
Banned
Software wasn't the Vita's problem at launch. Compare what it had to what the 3DS had. Vita owned the 3DS at their respective launches in regards to software.
Can you post pictures of your Vita with your GAF username on a piece of paper next to it? Your stream of anti-Sony sentiment might be validated if you prove you actually got 'burned' on a purchase.
You realize it's been out in North america for 6 months now, right? It hasn't even gone through a holiday season yet, which will probably move quite a few units.
NemesisPrime
Banned
On what planet is this?
Anyway... The problems at Sony are more related to a shitty corporate culture and disrespect for consumers, not software.
CambriaRising
Member
Please elaborate, with examples.
BS and you know it.
whalleywhat
Member
Yeah. I get the point he was making, but seeing 'Sony' alongside 'software brilliance' struck me as strange.
Why do you guys even bother with him. He is an obvious troll. He has no facts to back any of his bullshit on the sales of Sony IP's. He lists a IGN podcast as a source of his information. That should tell you everything you need to know about him. Lol. Ignoring him would be better.
But IMHO, they're most surely aren't brilliant.
I bought my PS3 when KZ2 was released and purchased most of their exclusives-plus I spent a ton of money on Home and other online games. I sold my PS3 almost a year ago after not playing it for months at a time. I played the crap out of KZ2, UC2 and GoW3 but other than that, there really-IMO-isn't anything else to write home about. I liked MGS4 a lot as well and LBP was cool but that got old fast.
The games I played and liked, I played and liked but nothing kept me hooked like Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza, Viva Pinata, and all the third party stuff. Kinect isn't perfect but it's fun (it has it's games) and my wife and son like using it as well. Not to mention that the online is so well integrated and effecient. I live in California and I know XBL isn't the same world wide (lacking features and the like) but at least for me, over here, the experiences aren't even worth mentioning in the same conversation.
Sony has games that look good but after awhile, just don't have the legs to keep me coming back. They have high production value but it's mostly spent on cinematics and presentation (fluff). The online play and community isn't even close so when I'm comparing replay value, I get way more out of my 360.
I'm not hating on Sony, I just don't really care for their games anymore-not enough to think about buying another one any time soon. That could change, I've been gaming for 30 years and have seen many games/consoles/companies, come and go. I've purchased every console to hit our shores day one, except for the PS3. A lot of that was price, arrogance and lack of software that I wanted for several years. The other part was MS releasing an excellent successor to the Xbox. Yeah, yeah RROD but they handled that well and I went thru much worse with Sony consoles breaking last gen and when the PS1 was big. Call it preference but MS does more for me as a gamer and I like the cut of the gib.
I bought my PS3 when KZ2 was released and purchased most of their exclusives-plus I spent a ton of money on Home and other online games. I sold my PS3 almost a year ago after not playing it for months at a time. I played the crap out of KZ2, UC2 and GoW3 but other than that, there really-IMO-isn't anything else to write home about. I liked MGS4 a lot as well and LBP was cool but that got old fast.
The games I played and liked, I played and liked but nothing kept me hooked like Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza, Viva Pinata, and all the third party stuff. Kinect isn't perfect but it's fun (it has it's games) and my wife and son like using it as well. Not to mention that the online is so well integrated and effecient. I live in California and I know XBL isn't the same world wide (lacking features and the like) but at least for me, over here, the experiences aren't even worth mentioning in the same conversation.
Sony has games that look good but after awhile, just don't have the legs to keep me coming back. They have high production value but it's mostly spent on cinematics and presentation (fluff). The online play and community isn't even close so when I'm comparing replay value, I get way more out of my 360.
I'm not hating on Sony, I just don't really care for their games anymore-not enough to think about buying another one any time soon. That could change, I've been gaming for 30 years and have seen many games/consoles/companies, come and go. I've purchased every console to hit our shores day one, except for the PS3. A lot of that was price, arrogance and lack of software that I wanted for several years. The other part was MS releasing an excellent successor to the Xbox. Yeah, yeah RROD but they handled that well and I went thru much worse with Sony consoles breaking last gen and when the PS1 was big. Call it preference but MS does more for me as a gamer and I like the cut of the gib.
ROFL!
Daydream Sequence
Banned
I hope that's a joke. And as a willing purchaser of the Vita along with Lumines, Hot Shots, and Rayman, burned is the last word I'd use to describe the experience.
The fact that you seem to say they're doomed or how Xbox is better than PS3 in every single thread relating to them.
CadetMahoney
Member
Price has always been a problem for Sony this gen. PS3 and Vita mainly.
With the Vita, the hardware itself isn't a problem compared to price/value if you look into it. It's the obvious price gouging on the memory cards that put ppl off. That falls under "price". Sony in general has a history of highly priced proprietary storage, only the hdd in the PS3 broke that mould, but went back to it with the Vita.
If the Vita bombs they will go back to more consumer friendly storage ala PS3 for the PS4. How awesome would it be to just take out your PS3 hdd and everything migrates.
With the Vita, the hardware itself isn't a problem compared to price/value if you look into it. It's the obvious price gouging on the memory cards that put ppl off. That falls under "price". Sony in general has a history of highly priced proprietary storage, only the hdd in the PS3 broke that mould, but went back to it with the Vita.
If the Vita bombs they will go back to more consumer friendly storage ala PS3 for the PS4. How awesome would it be to just take out your PS3 hdd and everything migrates.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Lol Sony should scrap all their amazing ips and just make dude browser shooters. It worked for killzone and resistance am I right? Lolololol it getting ridiculous. Also when has Sony spammed the same shit for more than a gen or 2? They've always relied on a overall good library of games instead of spamming the shame shit every freaking year. I much prefer this method.
No I'm not joking. You just implied that you hated sony because you 'bought' a Vita. I'm not buying it. Prove that you're not a lying troll, which seems to be the most likely outcome. Post a picture of your Vita.
Daydream Sequence
Banned
That's some selective reading you got there. I don't think they're "doomed" at all, but of the three majors they're certainly in the most dire financial straights. As for Xbox being better, I believe I said I prefer XBLA titles over PSN. Because I do. Hate my opinion? Don't care. It's mine. I also prefer multi-plats on the 360 due to controller and the fact that I can install every game. When it comes to exclusives, my PS3 gets a workout, and I also have a lot of free software via my PS+ membership. Am I not a big enough corporation cheerleader or something? I'm just a realist.
Oh my. Read what was written again. It's the complete opposite of what you just said.
Punchpudding
Member
I think Sony is still in an okay spot and they are appreciated by the gaming community but I don't know how successful their business model will be in the long run. Nintendo, MS, and Sony are clearly focusing on different things and I'm not sure Sony's strategy will pay off. I'll call it the Art gallery analogy... feel free to call bullshit on any of this.
Nintendo is a gallery opened up by artists to exhibit their own work. They are cheap, simple, willing to take risks, and they already have a massive following. You can't see their work anywhere else.
MS is a business that opened a gallery to attract top talent with the promise of lots of exposure, easy registration, and support. They also created a very fancy environment that is the most appealing to customers at an affordable price-- people like to be there.
Sony is a business that created a gallery which isn't quite as attractive to customers and costs more to enter than MS. They host other top artists but may get later runs of the same exhibits than the MS gallery with less fanfare. However, their biggest draw is a team of internal artists they hire and fund themselves who work in the back of the gallery trying to create the next masterpiece that only the Sony gallery will show.
So Nintendo's success is dependent on their reputation as artists and their own ability to continue producing what customers want. MS' success depends on their ability to create a customer friendly environment and support top artists from outside. Sony is put in the toughest and most unpredictable position of depending on a masterpiece to come from one of their internal artists-- masterpieces don't come often and they don't come cheap.
I think Sony will survive for a good long time but their business strategy might make it difficult or less probable for them to get back near to the top. I'm not sure you see a lot of galleries, or businesses in general, succeed with the 'Sony' philosophy.
Nintendo is a gallery opened up by artists to exhibit their own work. They are cheap, simple, willing to take risks, and they already have a massive following. You can't see their work anywhere else.
MS is a business that opened a gallery to attract top talent with the promise of lots of exposure, easy registration, and support. They also created a very fancy environment that is the most appealing to customers at an affordable price-- people like to be there.
Sony is a business that created a gallery which isn't quite as attractive to customers and costs more to enter than MS. They host other top artists but may get later runs of the same exhibits than the MS gallery with less fanfare. However, their biggest draw is a team of internal artists they hire and fund themselves who work in the back of the gallery trying to create the next masterpiece that only the Sony gallery will show.
So Nintendo's success is dependent on their reputation as artists and their own ability to continue producing what customers want. MS' success depends on their ability to create a customer friendly environment and support top artists from outside. Sony is put in the toughest and most unpredictable position of depending on a masterpiece to come from one of their internal artists-- masterpieces don't come often and they don't come cheap.
I think Sony will survive for a good long time but their business strategy might make it difficult or less probable for them to get back near to the top. I'm not sure you see a lot of galleries, or businesses in general, succeed with the 'Sony' philosophy.
NoirVisage
Banned
summarized it for you.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Question. What games on xbla is as good as uncharted 2? What game on xbla is as good as demon souls? What game on xbla is as good as GOW3? Just curious.
Those games aren't PSN titles
he is comparing PSN titles to XBLA titles, not full PS3 games to XBLA titles
Ok point taken, show us your Vita and your love/hate investment in Sony.
Daydream Sequence
Banned
In what galaxy were Demon Souls, God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 PSN releases?
Take your "prove it" nonsense back to gamefaqs. Who lies about owning a Vita? I love that fucking misguided handheld. If for no other reason than Lumines Electronic Symphony and PSP titles via that beautiful OLED screen.
BadAss2961
Member
It's okay, the innovation is actually in the games themselves. Plus there's the fact that the PS3 does have most of the bells and whistles of the Wii and the 360. Plus motion control in a standard controller, Home, Blu-ray, and an online network that offers just about everything that XBL does but for free, minus cross game chat.
Again, there's nothing more Sony can do about this gen at the moment except give the PS3 legs through great software, which they have been. This gen was pretty much decided a long time ago. Not until next gen is when we might see things shake up on the console front.
Really? I thought it was alright to have an opinion. I thought GAF was beyond such nonsense, I guess I was wrong.
Whatever dude, you're not buying my games so I really don't care what you think.
Raonak
Banned
more like gamers at large don'e even know sony's software offering. their marketing sucks.
CambriaRising
Member
I don't find anything wrong with your post. That guy obviously can't see reason when it comes to preferring one over the other.
Price cuts don't help that much in markets that don't care about your system. There have been so many great Xbox deals here in Germany, the console really should be doing better. Comparatively it was much more expensive in the US. All it did was help existing fans to replace their systems with Slims. It probably really is better for Sony to focus on profitability and not market share. The Vita may be an exception if they could generate a big enough impulse with a price cut.
Its really easy to make demands about what a company should or shouldn't do in regards to pricing as long as you don't have to take the risk and pay the bill.
Its really easy to make demands about what a company should or shouldn't do in regards to pricing as long as you don't have to take the risk and pay the bill.
Kenshin001
Member
I understand that's your preference but of the games you listed only Halo and Gears have done better than Sony's games.
Uncharted and God of War sold the same or more than Fable, GT has sold more than Forza, LBP has sold a ton more than Viva Pinata. The argument that Sony's games don't appeal to an American audience seems kind of misplaced given a lot of their games sell better than competing MS or Nintendo games.
For every Gears there are flops like Alan Wake, Forza, Viva Pinata etc.
Officerrob
Banned
Brilliance? Yeah, no
Threads like this just make me SMH. Some of you (meaning a lot of you) are way too attached to one particular company. It's now considered trolling to have a opinion on a product you own? Amazing. Also why do you care if someone has a negative opinion on the Almighty Sony? Do you work for them? Do have have shares in them? Or are you just a child? If a company does right by me, I don't care that's their job, that's what they are supposed to do. I don't become their white knights and viral marketing fanboys.
Every thread lately this happens. What's wrong with you people?
Every thread lately this happens. What's wrong with you people?
I didn't say anything about sales figures.
I love Alan Wake as well as Viva Piniata so them being retail flops is irrelevant. I don't buy games based off of what is selling the hottest, I buy based on what appeals to me that I can have fun with by myself and with my friends and family.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Sony needs a fresh start. They have been playing catch up the whole gen. People act like they lost the market, but the truth of the matter is that they never had the market once they moved on to PS3. The fact is, every generation is a clean slate and all the vendors start from zero. This generation, Sony has had to play a constant game of catch up. And yeah, they were a little arrogant too. Next gen they have as just as good a chance as the other two. And if they can release a clearly dominant portfolio of games in the first few years of the next consoles life, that will go a long way towards winning.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
Sure, they publish a lot of merely decent dreck, but due to the sheer volume of their output, some gems slip through from time to time. It's certainly heartening to see them funding projects such as Puppeteer and Tearaway (I'm not sold on Rain yet, and likely won't ever care about Until Dawn) this late into the generation.
I believe that Sony made too many mistake at the beginning of this gen.
However its because of their Softwareand Their brand which has helped them recovered
Its their arrogance in their early years and that was the problem.
Its a bit of both
Gamers in America ? Maybe.
WW = Great
Its their software which has saved this gen. Software drives hardware sales. They dont have a mario or halo but they have a "good collection of games" and some very good selling ips which has helped them a lot.
Uncharted Series = 17 million
Both GT5 = 13 million
LPB series = 8 million
God of war 3 = 5 million
InFamous 1 and 2 Series, Killzone 2 and 3 series lies between 4/5 million
These games while not huge sellers are still damn good considering they are released on one platform and in comming gen their sales will get higher.
Thats like your opinion ? same applies to other consoles
Improving indie content, PS+ offering 45 free games a year and discounts, cross platform and tons of good ip released. Improving their store. Pub funding games
They have had their mistakes but they have improved a lot and have taken some really good decisions with the ps3 in the last few years
KZ2 MP is the reason why people still remember the series.
Bluray
PS+
Cross buy
Steam integration
Free to play mmo
lol Please, Can you come up with some better point ?
Thats why their gaming division made a loss this year.
However its because of their Softwareand Their brand which has helped them recovered
Its their arrogance in their early years and that was the problem.
Its a bit of both
Gamers in America ? Maybe.
WW = Great
Its their software which has saved this gen. Software drives hardware sales. They dont have a mario or halo but they have a "good collection of games" and some very good selling ips which has helped them a lot.
Uncharted Series = 17 million
Both GT5 = 13 million
LPB series = 8 million
God of war 3 = 5 million
InFamous 1 and 2 Series, Killzone 2 and 3 series lies between 4/5 million
These games while not huge sellers are still damn good considering they are released on one platform and in comming gen their sales will get higher.
Thats like your opinion ? same applies to other consoles
Improving indie content, PS+ offering 45 free games a year and discounts, cross platform and tons of good ip released. Improving their store. Pub funding games
They have had their mistakes but they have improved a lot and have taken some really good decisions with the ps3 in the last few years
KZ2 MP is the reason why people still remember the series.
Bluray
PS+
Cross buy
Steam integration
Free to play mmo
lol Please, Can you come up with some better point ?
Thats why their gaming division made a loss this year.
The price is a big issue, there's a few drops here and there but it still costs a lot- especially sitting next to their competitors. Also I think Sony has the worst user interface ever on every device. Cameras, stereos, TVs and Play Stations, they always seem to go for some ultra modern pretentious style because those are the sort of people who'd buy Sony products (rubs knuckles) and they're being quickly upstaged by Apple in that department.
I miss the era of the PS2. Why did you leave us? I have a tiny person in my head that tells me the PS2 is actually smelly console and I hate it for scratching my DVDs, costing buckets for the accessories and region locking but lucked out with amazing developers using it as a platform for their work.
In the end I'll buy their darn consoles to play those amazing games.
Except for the Vita, I'm never buying that.
I miss the era of the PS2. Why did you leave us? I have a tiny person in my head that tells me the PS2 is actually smelly console and I hate it for scratching my DVDs, costing buckets for the accessories and region locking but lucked out with amazing developers using it as a platform for their work.
In the end I'll buy their darn consoles to play those amazing games.
Except for the Vita, I'm never buying that.
They are ending this gen on a much stronger note IMO
Daydream Sequence
Banned
It is pretty odd, but not new. I seem to recall the 3DO fans ripping us Jaguar owners back in the day. I just received a PM from Tarrasque threatening to follow me from thread to thread until he can "get me banned". Dude has got some intense feelings.
I was going to disagree, but that actually fits with what Kaz said. Divisions doing whatever the hell they wanted and then releasing stuff without concern of how it would be received. As well as how badly they treated (or ignored) third party devs for the first couple of years. I remember old 1UP Yours podcasts on which devs were talking about how they were getting tons of dev support from Microsoft, but Sony wouldnt provide anyone to assist them. Can file both of those issues under arrogance for sure.
Chuck Norris
Banned
They handled that... well??? What?