Projectjustice
Banned
Well you get what you pay for.
Is PSN really this bad?
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Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Yep.
PSN download speeds have always been blazing fast for me. Would take less than an hour to download a 10gb file, never had to configure anything either. Simply glorious.
Live, on the other hand, takes just about forever to download anything. Luckily I can just turn it off and let it go overnight.
BruiserBear
Banned
I own two PS3's, and I've owned one since early 2007.
I did not know that not putting a PSN download into the background would allow an entire download to be corrupted in the event the download stopped for a moment.
This is not the users fault. This is just yet another example of Sony's bizarre OS programming. Do I really need to list more examples for people?
trophy syncing being necessary, and even necessary on the Vita for god knows what reason
locked save files being common, and need to pay for PS+ to easily move them
even then you have to wait 24 hours to use them on another system
can't save to a USB drive either
having to install downloads manually
can't send voice messages
in game XMB loading slowly
in game XMB running at the same framerate as the game you're currently playing
I did not know that not putting a PSN download into the background would allow an entire download to be corrupted in the event the download stopped for a moment.
This is not the users fault. This is just yet another example of Sony's bizarre OS programming. Do I really need to list more examples for people?
trophy syncing being necessary, and even necessary on the Vita for god knows what reason
locked save files being common, and need to pay for PS+ to easily move them
even then you have to wait 24 hours to use them on another system
can't save to a USB drive either
having to install downloads manually
can't send voice messages
in game XMB loading slowly
in game XMB running at the same framerate as the game you're currently playing
Trogdor1123
Member
Ive downloaded lots of huge files on PSN (500 gig drive nearly full) and i have not had an issue in literally years. The only issue I ever had was when i first bought my playstation and was downloading a firmware update and it froze like 12 times before getting the whole thing. That was in 2007. PSN is just fine. Its plenty fast as well. I find it seems to be just as fast as my xbox for downloading things.
DidntKnowJack
Member
So the simple solution would be...
Ninja Scooter
Member
Yeah the guy who's only videogame system is a ps3, who has actually got rid of their 360 and Wii but kept the ps3, is clearly just a Sony hater. Really? Save the lame fanboy war/persecution complex for the IGN boards. Not everything is about that.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
nope, it isn't.
BruiserBear
Banned
To make it work like it does on the Xbox? When a download starts, it's already in the background. Why should a user ever have to manually choose such a thing?
It's like asking if you'd like your hamburger to be hot? Yes or no sir? Of course I want it to be hot. Why would you even ask me such a question?
There are some strange PSN compatibility issues with certain ISPs. I've experienced this myself as I've moved around. In some areas using certain ISPs, PSN simply runs at a very VERY slow rate regardless of bandwidth.
At my current house it's as fast as anything else.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Oh i don't know. Xbox Live Free users get the same benefit of Gold users in terms of speed and reliability. You're just getting the side benefit of a better maintained and designed service.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Well obviously there's something in the PS3's infrastructure that doesn't allow everything to work just like the Xbox 360. I'm just being practical. There's an easy fix: hit one button and make it download in the background.
Did you just intentionally ignore the part of his post that qualifies why he said that?
As it stands there's no reason to ever not background download. Leaving it up in the foreground is apparently moronic, so why is it the default? Why is it even possible?
So then you acknowledge it's a problem with the system? It would be better if it weren't like that? That's what people are saying. It's not a huge deal, except to someone who doesn't know in the first place. It's not like it's immediately obvious you're about to make a mistake by foreground downloading.
vvv
Personally, I have no regrets with my PS3. It just drives me up a wall sometimes. Sometimes my xbox does too.
Schobeleth
Member
I know the OP didn't mean to start another hate thread, but the irony is the source of the problem was found more or less in the first page and yet... the needless hate continues. Sure PSN isn't as feature rich or streamlined as XBL but it's made great strides since it's creation a few years ago.
A lot of people seem to forget that XBL has been around since the previous generation, naturally they've had a lot more time to make improvements and subsequently design the 360 with XBL in mind.
I'm pretty happy with PSN, it does what I need it to do and there is no paywall to hide features behind. PS + is nice for all the discounts and freebies you get, and I do admit having cross game chat on Vita is awesome (and the PS3 needs it), we probably won't be seeing a major overhaul of the PSN until the next PS console.
A lot of people seem to forget that XBL has been around since the previous generation, naturally they've had a lot more time to make improvements and subsequently design the 360 with XBL in mind.
I'm pretty happy with PSN, it does what I need it to do and there is no paywall to hide features behind. PS + is nice for all the discounts and freebies you get, and I do admit having cross game chat on Vita is awesome (and the PS3 needs it), we probably won't be seeing a major overhaul of the PSN until the next PS console.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Or an even easier fix: Sony can hire some competent software designers who can get things right the first time around. Somehow they get a pass or a do over but when a customer has to learn the hard way or learn from their mistake it's their own damn fault?
this is like the 4k thread in reverse.
The PS3 capabilities for software in regards to PSN are terrible. Patch sizes are too big, download speeds are too slow, installing after downloading is horrendous. Its not much better on the Vita so its either patents on MS side or Sony's inability to create an OS
The PS3 capabilities for software in regards to PSN are terrible. Patch sizes are too big, download speeds are too slow, installing after downloading is horrendous. Its not much better on the Vita so its either patents on MS side or Sony's inability to create an OS
OldJadedGamer
Banned
I have every system hooked up to the internet and the PS3 is by far the slowest of the pack. I just got used to it.
The Albatross
Member
Every experience I've ever had downloading anything from PSN has been worse than my expectations for a modern day content delivery service.
Every experience. Not saying that all have been bad, or all have been worse than on the 360 (although I think they have...), but every experience has been worse than my expectations. I don't use Origin, but PSN is the worst modern-day online content delivery platform I've ever used, PC, mobile, console, etc.
Every experience. Not saying that all have been bad, or all have been worse than on the 360 (although I think they have...), but every experience has been worse than my expectations. I don't use Origin, but PSN is the worst modern-day online content delivery platform I've ever used, PC, mobile, console, etc.
my timer said 67 hours.. EDIT... minutes...
Shtof
Member
Much better on the Vita. Patches aren't mandatory and can be done as background downloads, installs take pretty much no time and downloads... yeah I'll give you that. Still fast enough for downloads of around 1 gig or less.
Shtof
Member
Really? What's your connection like?
Sorry to hear about the problem, I don't think unfortunately there's anything you can do other than redownload the game. Was your download in background? I'm the only one that always use backgound downloads? You can continue the download even if you are not logged in and not on the store, so in that way error on the store shouldn't affect your download.
I think
sorry I meant minutes...
the beta itself took less than 20 minutes to download. But the patch takes (I did not finish it, stopped downloading after 5 minutes, had other things to do then wait for that patch) 67 minutes for me...
I'm pretty sure Sony knows it's limitations with PSN, and perhaps they didn't really spend a great deal of time on the infrastructure for the VITA launch. But I'm hopeful they'll have things in place for the PS4, and Vita will also benefit.
Flachmatuch
Member
Amazing thread. The lengths people go to to defend their beloved "brands" :-DDDD
Metalmurphy
Member
What lengths?
I doubt it's ISP related and more like server distribution/load.
blitzcloud
Banned
my guess is that otherwise the data would be left roaming corrupted in your hdd if you dont, with no indication for you. So i guess that's what they made background download for.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
That's how I feel about it.
Free online play, fast download speeds, a much better store interface, and I don't have to pay a fee to access services I already pay for, and everyone else can access for free. (Netflix, Hulu, etc, etc.)
Though if I want to, and I do, I 'can' pay that extra fee for PS+ and get access to a ton of games and discounts.
Makes it that much harder to justify paying for Live, which I haven't done for years.
Couldn't be happier with PSN.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Speevy's posts on the first two pages are pretty bad. "PSN's not a cloud app so clearly download resumes are impossible" and all that.
Projectjustice
Banned
Thanks for the chuckle! lol
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Haha, yeah.
It's funny that I can download faster on a free service than one I used to pay for.
Metalmurphy
Member
Pretty sure he was joking.
Just because it doesn't work that way for you doesn't mean it doesn't for everyone else. PSN maxes out my ISP speed.
R_thanatos
Member
that's a joke ..since download resume are possible
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
And there a bunch of people in this thread who assume those of us who do see poor speed must have done something wrong with their setup. You should direct that comment to everyone.
THIS
Was going to post the same thing.
I'm on fibre optic broadband, yet my PSN downloads would still crawl. I'm talking around 10 seconds to do a megabyte.
Found out about that little pause/resume trick and now get about 6MB/s.
It's just a shame you can't pause and resume updates =\
Pretty sure that feature is Xbox exclusive
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
PSN has fast download speeds? Not in my experiences. Sometimes its fast, but most times it leaves alot to be desired. Then you got to install the damn thing! Haha
Metalmurphy
Member
And there a bunch of people in this thread who assume those of us who do see poor speed must have done something wrong with their setup. You should direct that comment to everyone.
While there's no doubt that some of those people's have nothing wrong on their end, it is also true that there's alot on to be wrong on the user side that aren't PSN related. Routers, UPnP not working, being on a NAT3 connection, etc, and, I can't say this enough, being on wireless. Wifi adapter on the PS3 is beyond terrible. I don't know if it's the same on all models, but this is a very widespread issue.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
And there a bunch of people in this thread who assume those of us who do see poor speed must have done something wrong with their setup. You should direct that comment to everyone.
Amen to this!
Melchiah
Member
Well, an imperfect design needs to be improved, whereas perfection can't be improved. I personally love the XMB. It's slick and simple.
As for download speeds, mine were 100-200kbps on Wi-Fi, and now 1-2Mbps on wired connection.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I like the XMB as well. I wish the Vita used it.
I still hate the PSN store design though.
I still hate the PSN store design though.
It can be, background helps, set the ps3 to install and shutdown when completed if late night. plain background if playing a game while downloading.
I find the install process to be worse. I did find my personal 320gb 7200rpm to have a slight faster write speed (1 to 3 seconds faster maybe?) than the stock 120gb drive it came with.
I hope this is a top priority for the ps4, download, write and cache system.
I find the install process to be worse. I did find my personal 320gb 7200rpm to have a slight faster write speed (1 to 3 seconds faster maybe?) than the stock 120gb drive it came with.
I hope this is a top priority for the ps4, download, write and cache system.
Mithos
Member
And herein lies the problem, I WISHED the PS3 connected to MULTIPLE server pulling bits and pieces from many sources to speed up the download.
Back when PSN came back up after being hacked we got free games as rewards, inFamous1 was one of those games, 7GB in size took 6-7hrs to download on PS3. Downloading the same game using PC software from PSN it took ~1-1.5hrs downloading 7GB, was using 'PSN Download Manager'** to test this, so I have re-downloaded inFamous1 on the PS3 many times and times it, same for doing it through the PC using that software .
** PSN Download Manager intercepts the call from PS3, and when you cancel the download after starting it on the PS3, the PC software keeps downloading it anyways on the PC, and when its done, and its WAY WAY faster because its connects to MULTIPLE servers while downloading, you can just start the download on the PS3 again and it pulls the files from your own computer in minutes.
NOW, I don't trust the software 'PSN Download Manager', so the password I used on the account while testing it I have since changed, BUT I wished Sony had a software like this for the PC I could download and use.
There is no way it moves at 1-1.5 MB/s for me. Definitely in the low to mid hundreds of K at most. It's a terrible service as far as downloads are concerned.
BruiserBear
Banned
You conveniently didn't quote the part of my post where I explained exactly why it's not perfectly fine, and it doesn't make sense.
Strange.
The OS for the PS3 was designed by Sony, so it's their fault. No need for excuses.
I like the xmb design over the current 360 one. I liked the old 360 blade style more.
As for design, I think this shows how little ms cares for hardware. They fix issues with software upgrades. I think that book that talked about the ps3/360 chips stated that when they approached ms and said that the chip was not yet done and flawed that ms said screw it, we can fix any issues/deficiencies with software upgrades.
It works in MS's favor being software experts and having a solid back end server support again from their own experience.
Makes me hate MS's entry into console gaming even more, a Sony Hardware and Microsoft Server and Developer Tools partnership would have been much better.
OS wise, I don't recall if it was gaf or another board but I wish sony would have bought WebOS, it would have been perfect for Playstation Devices and Xperia phones.