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Did Romney just forget that a healthy chunk of his base is poor or what?
Mother Jones: "Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters"
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Black Mamba
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re-posting this from Poli-Gaf cuz it is funny.
"Oh....My...God.
https://twitter.com/MexicanMitt
I <3 internet"
"Oh....My...God.
https://twitter.com/MexicanMitt
I <3 internet"
He forgot that he was speaking into an open microphone.
Deified Data
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I would have starved to death as a child without foodstamps and free lunches at school. I can't even conceive the level of hypocrisy it would take for me, for anyone who has ever made use of wellfare programs, to actually vote for this man.
I am taking personal responsibility, Mitt, by voting against you.
I am taking personal responsibility, Mitt, by voting against you.
Quoted for new page, as Enron is, well, enron.
No, he knows they are convicted by their hate of a muslim and that his vote is secure with them.
He could say anything, or nothing at all, and people will still vote for him. Its not about what he says, or his policy that doesn't exist. Its just about him not being a muslim illegal alien.
polyh3dron
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Oh there will be another thing next week that is worse, there always is.
Funky Papa
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I find bizarre that this hit Spain, the UK and France well before CNN's site.
He's saying that it's not his job to try to win over the 47% of people that won't vote for him. He's not saying that he doesn't care about those people as people. He's saying that he doesn't care to waste his time, money, and efforts marketing himself to them.
It's no different if Obama was to be on video saying that he didn't care about pushing his message to the rich. The rich aren't going to vote themselves into a tax hike, and Obama knows it. He knows he doesn't have their vote, and he's probably stated it to his supporters just like this.
It's no different if Obama was to be on video saying that he didn't care about pushing his message to the rich. The rich aren't going to vote themselves into a tax hike, and Obama knows it. He knows he doesn't have their vote, and he's probably stated it to his supporters just like this.
Fenderputty
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I think this more or less just reinforces the idea that Romney was born well off and doesn't understand what its like being a "normal" American. He was pretty clear in calling out and lumping 47% of the nation into a sentence that seems more fit for a group of people mooching off of welfare.
People will take offense to this regardles of whether he does or doesn't have intentions of helping the poor once in office.
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The Technomancer
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So here's what I really want to know: who took this video? Are they the same person who leaked it? Who among Romney's fundraisers apparently really hates him?
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Grover Cleveland
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Romney-Ryan 2012 everybody.
polyh3dron
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To those people, they believe Fox is down the middle, CNN is pretty liberally biased and MSNBC is off the deep end.
Black Mamba
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Obama is going to get 40% or more of the $100k+ vote. He won't win it, but he will get a lot of people to vote for their own tax hike.
Let's see what Mitt said, again.
"there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."
Do you believe this. That 47% of people vote for Obama because they think they are victims and want government to be responsible?
Hilariously enough, these people include the recently unemployed whom Romney is trying to convince to vote for him in this election. It's his campaign premise.
Hrmm...I don't know what you saw in that video because I saw the GOP nominee saying that half of America doesn't pay taxes and thinks that they're entitled and that he can't help them to help themselves. Essentially he said that nearly half of America are losers.
Henchmen21
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I'd like to think right now his handlers are screaming in his face "WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING!!!!"
The got one right.
The got one right.
Are people really surprised by this? Isn't this what Republicans believed all along? Remember who Mitt is talking to, rich white republican men. Mitt is just feeding them what they want to hear. They got rich by working hard and the poor are poor because they are lazy and don't want to work etc.
The only difference is he actually expressed his opinion out loud.
Either way, I've never seen a Presidential nominee so out of touch with the general public... and I'm not even American.
The only difference is he actually expressed his opinion out loud.
Either way, I've never seen a Presidential nominee so out of touch with the general public... and I'm not even American.
He said these people will never be convinced by HIM to help themselves. He didn't say they weren't worth helping. Helping to get these people out of their situation and into the ranks of the American Taxpayer and consumer with spending power is something that not only helps them, helps the economy, and helps gov't coffers. Every President, whether they are Democrat or Republican, seeks a solution to this problem. It's just that they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay apart on how to do so. With this in mind, its absolutely ridiculous to think that Mitt Romney "doesn't care" about these Americans, or that Barack Obama somehow hates the rich because he wants to tax them at a higher rate. It's all stupid and doesn't do anything but enrage the other side and is part of the reason why political discourse in this country is basically just a bunch of FUCK YOU's hurled at one another.
This is another thread entirely, but people that think that media outlets have an "agenda" beyond the color green are fooling themselves.
Starphoenix
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I don't see why this really matters. Romney hasn't even won the conservative base let alone the moderates, so I'm not too sure why everyone believes this is going to hurt his campaign any more than it already is?
At this point the United States is only voting for which captain they prefer as the ship goes down into the ocean.
At this point the United States is only voting for which captain they prefer as the ship goes down into the ocean.
Hes got to spin it, as he literally says that. Literally... and goes into detail about whom exactly he is speaking of.
I too want to know the video filters hes using that go through Mit's advisors first then is re-dubbed wit what he meant to say, like they have to every time he opens his mouth.
A lot of people are willing to raise taxes on themselves for the betterment of society. Are there a lot of greedy people at the top? Yes but a large portion of the rich (who aren't as greedy) are still going to vote for Obama and are willing to raise taxes on themselves.
I don't think he'd lump the "recently unemployed" into the camp that won't vote for him. He's talking about the people who don't want to work and want to rely on handouts. His 47% number is probably just flat wrong or he's exaggerating to make a bigger point of how important those 5%-10% of independents are.
Just as businesses reduce people to where they fit into demographics, politicians do the same for voters. It's all a numbers game, and most candidates don't give a rip about individuals until they've already won or lost the election.
Newton Crosby
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Yep.
NullPointer
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Repeated just to be sure. Its as clear as day.Mitt Romney said:
My god, you're literally explaining why people are taking issue with what he said. Its bootstraps, and condemning 47% of a population. Read any news story, everyone seems to be able to figure out why its not a positive thing for a candidate to say. Its ok to admit that the man fucked up, he is only a wealthy human being. His negative press = "People need to help themselves!" Then he literally says it... and you're here repeating it.
But continue your semantics argument about how you know what Mit Romney really said...?
This is a case of you and 1 other die hard republican understanding the truth, and the rest of the modern world isn't able to read and comprehend?
Fucking thank you.
Isn't this the exact same thing you and the rest of the thread is doing? Just in the opposite direction?
Vicetrailia
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What's sad this this STILL isn't the bottom of the barrel for Romney's true colors.
Hand-waving 47% of the people is huge, and yet he gets even crueler and more selfish than that.
Hand-waving 47% of the people is huge, and yet he gets even crueler and more selfish than that.
Black Mamba
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Of course he wouldn't lump them in, that's my point. It's that the 47%, a figure he gets for % of people who don't pay federal income taxes, comprises of them.
The people in the so-called 47% are mostly people who got fired, the disabled, college students, the elderly retired (and often poor).
Regardless, he claimed that Obama is guaranteed 47% of the vote and those voters believe to be victims and want to be government dependent. Do you not find this number not only wholly inaccurate but also insulting?
"If you vote for Obama, it just means you're a government moocher." Fuck that noise.
GregLombardi
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No. I think people are trying to defend him because they believe that people are taking his comments to mean "I hate 47 percent of America" instead of "I can't convince 47 percent of America to vote for me", which is an interpretation that is out of context.
But the problem for those people and for this argument is that any rational human being (even the vast majority of Americans) can read into the undercurrent of his words and realize that he is labeling half of America as tax evading over-reliant irresponsible people who believe they are "entitled" to hand outs. And the vast majority of Americans know that that's not true. Even when people meet hard times, most people don't go out of their way to abuse others or take advantage of the system, it's just their method of survival.
And what Bloomberg is saying, and many posters in this thread are saying -- is that this paints Mitt in an extremely out of touch light, and as a man not fit to be our President. And I think they're right, and Americans will know it moreso because of this video than anything else.
hydragonwarrior
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I hate to pile it on, Enron, but there's a difference between random internet troll on a news website saying this and a possible POTUS saying this.
The puppy had no collar and probably would have mooched off our fancy pound system.
NullPointer
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Its not even an undercurrent. Its his exact words.
Stop playing games, and address what I said, or don't bother quoting me.
I said it very very clearly. You're latching onto pointless nonsense to make an auxiliary case for whatever it is you want to do. People are seeing that he is calling 47% of the country poor freeloaders that like things like food. This resonates with the criticisms and attitude of Romney and the GOP.
As you have selective reading, and quoting; NO, it is not the same thing. The same ting would be selectively picking and choosing words out of an entire statement, while ignoring his past and record.
Thats wat you're doing. You're trying to make some asinine case that we all honestly believe hes going to mistreat the poor specifically when he is in office. No, we all know the poor aren't on is radar. This backs it up further, and means there will be no positive attention to them. It is what most posters are saying. Read some news coverage on why this was a bad slip up for a man running to represent that 47% as the president of the nation. Gaf can't help.
Black Mamba
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Romney's problem isn't that he claimed 47% of the electorate won't vote for him. That's fine. It's how he painted those 47%.
This would be okay.
"Now look, 47% won't vote for me and we don't need to focus on them. They have a fundamental belief that government should be a major part of your life, believe in a way that I would contend gives no incentive for the poor and struggling to better themselves."
What wasn't okay.
"those 47% who will vote for Obama pretend to be victims and want to depend on the gov't."
This would be okay.
"Now look, 47% won't vote for me and we don't need to focus on them. They have a fundamental belief that government should be a major part of your life, believe in a way that I would contend gives no incentive for the poor and struggling to better themselves."
What wasn't okay.
"those 47% who will vote for Obama pretend to be victims and want to depend on the gov't."
Except that he didn't say what 90% of this thread is accusing him of saying when he "hand-waved" 47% of Americans off as being "worthless human beings".
He was talking about their votes, not them as people. Did he later say they were mooching off of gov't? Yes he did. Did he say they were lazy? Yes he did. But none of that adds up to the "these people aren't worth our time" accusation the thread is laying out. He said there was nothing he could do to convince them - he did not say there's nothing I will do help them. That's a big distinction that this thread doesn't seem to want to consider because oh my god, republicans are all horrible people!
The Technomancer
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Are you honestly saying that the Romney administration will make helping the poor a priority? Isn't the current conservative mantra the idea that people help themselves, and don't need government help?
The Technomancer
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Oh, and here's another fun graphic:
Which states have the highest proportion of non-income-tax-payers? (shown in red)
Gee whillikers, how will Romney ever convince the Deep South to vote for him?
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Gratified to see how well the Midwest does. Pride and heritage and all that.
Pointless nonsense? Half the thread is talking about that one statement in particular, and making all kinds of leaps and jumps as to what kind of person he is and what he will do in office based upon their perception that Republicans are all evil.
And no, i laid out exactly what he said and what attitude I took issue with. I even went so far as to say a lot of what he went on to say was indefensible, but somehow you didn't seem to notice that.
Helping the poor how? By getting us out of this hole and creating jobs that put these people back to work and earning a living? Yes, I do believe that is a priority. It's Obama's priority as well.
Do I think Romney is going to want to expand gov't assistance programs? No, I do not.
polyh3dron
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