Nabs
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That sounds like a nice update.
Steam Greenlight: 1000 games and counting, more Greenlit every few weeks
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That sounds like a nice update.
HadesGigas
Member
So... all the ratings are no longer visiable to anyone publicly. What the hell, Valve?
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Yeah, was coming here to ask about this, also... I guess it's okay, but I already miss not knowing the "progress" of some games.
BigWeather
Member
Have they updated it to more clearly support / identify games that are alpha / beta?
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Afterfall better be in the next set.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
I imagine they did it to reduce the complaining in the future when they chose to not Greenlight some game that is farther along than some other game that does get the go ahead.
HadesGigas
Member
Replacing it with complaining right now. Brilliant.
JasoNsider
Member
Yeah we are currently listed as 42% of the way to top 100. Haha. Yikes that is just insanity.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
It's the internet. People are going to complain no matter what. Might as well get it all over with at once, rather than have it happen every single time a new group of games get selected. Assuming that is why they hid it in the first place.
HadesGigas
Member
Well they keep hiding more and more stuff. That first day where you could see unique views seems so long ago...
Soon we'll just see the title of a game and have to vote yes or no based on that.
The top ten for that matter. Would it kill them to just greenlight 1 game that doesn't make the top 100 but is greenlighted based on it's content?
Nuts.
Sentenza
Member
Apparently a way to make people happy with this Greenlight thing simply doesn't exist.
Let me give you a clear example: they pointed from the start "Don't worry about percentages, guys, they are just indicative for us"... And yet every single fucker with a Steam account spent two weeks whining about percentages anyway, writing blog and articles about what a mess was, how impossible it was to be approved on Steam, etc.
Because when they show stuff people go crazy over it.
Let me give you a clear example: they pointed from the start "Don't worry about percentages, guys, they are just indicative for us"... And yet every single fucker with a Steam account spent two weeks whining about percentages anyway, writing blog and articles about what a mess was, how impossible it was to be approved on Steam, etc.
I'm happy, actually. The exposure it gives games is fantastic, and each update they've done so far is really good. I just wish they didn't shut out games that didn't get a large number of votes...but hey, they're running a business, not a charity.
For the record I knew my game wouldn't get approved by Steam, and I know my next game won't get enough votes either, but I'm still paying the $100 and submitting it because I like the service.
JasoNsider
Member
Yeah, would be kind of nice if they let some through based on their own judgements. This is really a popularity contest where the big kids could very easily just get through every time and muscle out the small fry. In fact, the current system practically ensures the same titles get through now that would make it through the old direct-application way. At least if they only harvest the top 10 at any time.
Still, gotta play by their rules I suppose...
AlejandroDaJ
Neo Member
Cute Things is at 47%. Not sure what that means, tbh.
I do like the new "past week's voting history" though. Kinda made me cringe that appearing in the Indie Royale bundle made a dent but not an appreciable one. Oh well, keep soldiering on.
Can't blame Steam for removing the percentage tracker for each title.
But, now it seems I can't browse all titles without actually going through and rating them. I suppose that's a good way of encouraging people to look at projects they may have not considered and make a thoughtful decision with their vote.
But, now it seems I can't browse all titles without actually going through and rating them. I suppose that's a good way of encouraging people to look at projects they may have not considered and make a thoughtful decision with their vote.
The added voting stuff also shows for workshop items, though it doesn't really work right since it counts the 5 all time most popular over the current most popular.
HadesGigas
Member
They complained about how stupidly high the number for getting 100% was, and how it went up and down and up several times a day. Which isn't a cry for "hey, please remove everything!" it's "hey, please give us more detail".
And yet didn't Valve explain, when Greenlight was released, that they were going to adjust the details, and some games might be accepted without reaching 100%? People knew that, knew Valve loves statistics, presumably read Valve mentioning that they could/would change things around, and still complained. :/
I feel like for a while in this thread, it was literally once or twice a page that someone would have to post explaining like "Yes, 100% is crazy high. Yes, Valve is changing the numbers. Yes, that's the point, Valve is gathering data since this is an experiment so they know how to adjust. No, games may not have to even reach 100%. Yes, Valve has a FAQ or whatever explaining this." And 10 games got accepted...I don't think any of them had 100%.
It just needs time and not overreacting, in my opinion, and it may still be a good avenue for certain games I think. =)
HadesGigas
Member
Solution to me seems to be just show the number of up votes. Then you still have an idea of how the game is doing, and don't see 50 games all at "1%".
Now after you vote for a game, you're pretty much done with it forever. There's no way to see how it's doing, no way of knowing if it's succeeding or failing.
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, and they both were stupid complaints, because Valve stated *clearly* "Don't mind that stuff, we are just calibrating it over time".
People also whined an awful LOT about the downvote button, no matter how many times Valve employees stated "Don't mind the downvote button, it's not going to subtract from upvotes, we are just using it to gather statistics".
A pointless waste of air, apparently. Everyone kept ranting for days against the "great potential for trolling" and other senseless shit like that.
So, do you actually want to blame them for going "Fuck you, guys, we are going to keep all the stats hidden from now on. You should just mind voting what you like"?
I'm not a big fan of hidden stats myself, but users and developers essentially forced this choice on them.
In fact, that's exactly who I'm going to blame for these changes: the whiny users/developers.
HadesGigas
Member
So cause people complained, the rational response is "ok, no stats at all, fuck off"?
Yeah that's great.
Yeah that's great.
Sentenza
Member
Sure. Why not? People can't complain (too much) about numbers they don't know shit about.
Also, some developers should realize that maybe -MAYBE- if they aren't getting all the attention in the world is because their game isn't interesting at all, not just because people on the internet like to troll them with downvotes and the service is somehow unfair showcasing their product.
I think it should be an option left up to the developers whether they want their vote tally information to be publicly viewable or private (for their specific game).
That said, there might be a legitimate reason to hide the info that has nothing to do with the reasons mentioned so far -- momentum. If a user sees a game with a ton of votes, they might be swayed into thinking "this must be good, I'll just upvote it without spending much time looking at it for myself". As seen with the GAF hype phenomenon, where one person hyping something can cause a cascade effect.
Similarly if a user sees a game with few votes, they might think "oh it must be crap if no one is voting for it, I won't bother giving it the light of day either".
That said, there might be a legitimate reason to hide the info that has nothing to do with the reasons mentioned so far -- momentum. If a user sees a game with a ton of votes, they might be swayed into thinking "this must be good, I'll just upvote it without spending much time looking at it for myself". As seen with the GAF hype phenomenon, where one person hyping something can cause a cascade effect.
Similarly if a user sees a game with few votes, they might think "oh it must be crap if no one is voting for it, I won't bother giving it the light of day either".
Baron_Calamity
Member
I still hold that Greenight is a ruse and the only games Valve will allow on steam via green light were ones they would have let on anyway.
Sentenza
Member
So, a conspiracy theory.
Now Greenlight is officially part of the popular culture.
At least I hope they use this opportunity to pick the most popular games on different genres, including niche genres, not just the top ten. Neither of my favourites were in the top ten and the majority of them was in the 1-3% range.
Considering how much games are uploaded per month and the time between each "10 games will go" ... it sounds like they are doing MUCH more indie games per time
AlejandroDaJ
Neo Member
Okay, now my private Greenlight stats say that Cute Things is 100% of the way towards making the Top 100 list. Also, the comparison of my upvotes to the average Top 100 games' upvotes has disappeared, which could just follow naturally to being in the Top 100, I guess?
A new feature appeared in the past 24 hours and overnight my game went from 47% to 100%. Color me bewildered. I'm gonna keep watching this avidly and see how this shakes out.
A new feature appeared in the past 24 hours and overnight my game went from 47% to 100%. Color me bewildered. I'm gonna keep watching this avidly and see how this shakes out.
Good riddance, I'd say. When games are accepted that barely hit 15%, you know that the percentages are completely useless.
I'd be nice if they showed the Top 20 games though.
Edit: Well, actually, not knowing anything about the position of the games might be the very point. Maybe Valve doesn't want the rankings to subtly manipulate the voters ("Oh, it already has 20%, this must be good!" "Eh, this one is only at 1%? Guess it's bad then").
I'd be nice if they showed the Top 20 games though.
Edit: Well, actually, not knowing anything about the position of the games might be the very point. Maybe Valve doesn't want the rankings to subtly manipulate the voters ("Oh, it already has 20%, this must be good!" "Eh, this one is only at 1%? Guess it's bad then").
Fare Godmace
Member
Now that you mention it, have you asked the Indie Royale guys to add a link or something else to let people know that Bunny Must Die! and your game are on Greenlight? I suggested it on Twitter, but got no response back.
I know they are somehow related to Desura, but I bet you'd have gotten a lot of upvotes just from the "I won't even install non-Steam games" crowd.
Do you mean ALL iOS games, or just the bad ones? I don't like Angry Birds that much, but I don't consider it a bad game.
I like Angry Birds. On my Android.
Not so much on my PC though (and I have tried the PC demo). Once you take away that one gimmick (the flicking your finger across your screen), it gets very boring unlike a deeper game with more involved game mechanics like Worms.
The same can be said for a lot of iOS games tbh. I wasn't as impressed with Swords and Sworcery on PC as the hype suggested, but I can see how it would be a more compelling experience with those touch gimmicks.
AlejandroDaJ
Neo Member
No, I kind of dropped the ball on that. The bundle release date got moved from a Thursday launch to a Saturday launch, catching me off guard and very much out of pocket at an all-day concert. By the time I was back I'd missed the initial rush of attention. They did put me in the Indie Royale Collection on Greenlight, which is nice, but probably not getting that many votes any more. I could go back and beg them now, but the IR attention has dwindled thanks to time and the latest HIB.
I did, however, put prominent Greenlight links in the main menu of both the full version and the demo version that went live before the IR bundle. That, plus Eastern Europe's affinity for torrenting my game, will hopefully net me some upvotes.
EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand back to 47%. This is certainly a journey
EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand back to 47%. This is certainly a journey
You are going to end up with whiplash.
Fare Godmace
Member
No, I kind of dropped the ball on that. The bundle release date got moved from a Thursday launch to a Saturday launch, catching me off guard and very much out of pocket at an all-day concert. By the time I was back I'd missed the initial rush of attention. They did put me in the Indie Royale Collection on Greenlight, which is nice, but probably not getting that many votes any more. I could go back and beg them now, but the IR attention has dwindled thanks to time and the latest HIB.
I did, however, put prominent Greenlight links in the main menu of both the full version and the demo version that went live before the IR bundle. That, plus Eastern Europe's affinity for torrenting my game, will hopefully net me some upvotes.
EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand back to 47%. This is certainly a journey
Oh man, what a shame :/ I still think they should have offered you to add the link to help you get more votes, and I hope they do it from now so more devs can get visibility.
With that being said... While interest in the Indie Royale has no doubt dwindled every vote counts, don't you think? I'd give it a try, I don't know, maybe they are nice and send an email to everyone who bought the bundle or post the links on their twitter account.
Seems reasonable to me. People need to shut the hell up, if they won't then dont give them something to whine over.
My thoughts exactly. I didn't knew games are removed if they don't get enough votes. I guess my game has it's days counted.
Do games actually get removed? Chubigans might have just meant that games without a large number of votes presumably wouldn't get GREENLIT if Valve kept going with the trend of taking the top 10...but even that might change in the future, especially if Valve has hidden percentages.
Delusibeta
Banned
Honestly? Bit disappointed they're only creaming off the most popular ten or so games on a monthly basis, I was kinda hoping they would approve stuff more regularly.
I think it's probably a good thing overall if they only do 10-20 per batch, considering how some games may be unfinished, and others may be low quality. My fear with Greenlight has been that it might become like a mobile phone app store, with everything super cheap or depending on in-app purchases, and potentially lots of junk.
Though perhaps some could make a Greenlight-iOS comparison after a few months have gone by, and say that like with iOS, if you're not in the top 10 or top 100 there's very little chance to sell your game (or whatever the current stats are).
I'm still waiting to see how it goes.
Wok
Member
These are the games which are not greenlit and which either I would probably buy on Steam, either I have particularly enjoyed playing.
- The Stanley Parable: HD Remix
- Gray Matter
- Ludwig
- Pro Pinball: Revived & Remastered
- Wooden Sen'SeY
- Momonga Pinball Adventures
- Qasir al-Wasat: A Night in-Between
- Hogee and the Magic Fire
- Shaun the Sheep - Home Sheep Home 2
- Retention
- The Oil Blue <--- a game I would have expected on Steam before Greenlight
- The Sea Will Claim Everything
- Nihilumbra
- OIO - The Game - Enlarged <--- ditto
- Worlds
- Escape Goat <--- ditto
- LogiGun
- Receiver
- Fly'n
- Contrast
- Wyv and Keep
- Octodad: Dadliest Catch
- Major Mayhem
- Ichi <--- ditto
Let's all greenlight La-Mulana. Thanks.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93001822
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93001822
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I don't get those numbers. 3195 submissions - 1100 bans does not equal ~800 legitimate items, but would leave more than 2000. Could bans be of people, some of whom had multiple submissions?
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