LiveFromKyoto
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Launch titles where the developers have no middleware, little to no documentation and don't even know the final specs until halfway through development? Of course not.
Rumor: Wii U final specs
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Launch titles where the developers have no middleware, little to no documentation and don't even know the final specs until halfway through development? Of course not.
Some clarifications to stop the circles, from someone who "knows nothing" (me)
1) It's not a 600gf GPU. It's less. But not current gen less.
2) The GPU7 architecture is firmly based on VLIW R700, but the final result is not a stock R700 as has been trumpeted over and over.
3) The power supply has been confirmed by eyewitnesses to have a 75w max output, and as all power supplies in the console space will not be running at a constant 100%.
Bonus note: "enhanced broadway" also doesn't mean "let's take our previous CPU, duct tape a few of them together, and call it a day" either. The CPUs are customized creatures as well, so "enhanced broadway" is about as accurate as "R700".
1) It's not a 600gf GPU. It's less. But not current gen less.
2) The GPU7 architecture is firmly based on VLIW R700, but the final result is not a stock R700 as has been trumpeted over and over.
3) The power supply has been confirmed by eyewitnesses to have a 75w max output, and as all power supplies in the console space will not be running at a constant 100%.
Bonus note: "enhanced broadway" also doesn't mean "let's take our previous CPU, duct tape a few of them together, and call it a day" either. The CPUs are customized creatures as well, so "enhanced broadway" is about as accurate as "R700".
Nostremitus
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Well, according to Ideaman his sources have their port running on Wii u with AA, extra graphical bells and whistles, and double the framerate.
He won't say what game though...
He won't say what game though...
TheMagician
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Who's game?
Gamezzzz, plural. 2 games, one port, one exclusive...
blu
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You really think? ;p
Nostremitus
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I was talking about the port, hence game. It's the only one that you'll be able to do a comparison with.
I Stalk Alone
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AC3 and Zombi U?
Nostremitus
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Well, he IS French, but who knows. lol They could be eshop games for all we know...
I assume by less you mean considerably and not say 25 less.
Its mostly likely around 300-450 glfop.
DragonSworne
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I'll put more weight behind bgassassian's guess on the WiiU's GFLOP performance than people who have been constantly wrong about the WiiU
Nostremitus
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I'd call 300 "current gen less"
Current gen is 250 glfop. PLus there are performance gain per glfop so it more than it looks on paper.
In that ball park.
Nostremitus
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Yes, but in context (ballparking 600) 300 is current gen less.
JohnnySasaki86
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I would take a guess and say its probably not below 400. 450gflops seems very plausible. It should be at least 2.5x the performance of current gen GPU's.
Every rumor states 500-600GLOPS so no.
Edit: What does BGassassin, Ideaman, etc say about this?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=492341
well it does have 4X the memory & a GPGPU with maybe 2X the GFLOPS + 32MB of eDRAM so I'm sure it will out class the PS3 & Xbox 360 in a lot of games.
MadeInBeats
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Is that what your avatar just said on his radio?
Are you talking about the Wii U or PS4/720? (guessing your talking about PS4/720).
Do people really think MS and Sony are going to blow 160W of their power budget on the GPU?
JohnnySasaki86
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didnt they do that with PS3 and xbox360? Plus they'll probably downclock it a little for that very reason. But we could easily get a 2.5tflop GPU in PS4/720 if they use a downclocked SI 8000 GPU!
It only has twice the RAM for games.
Nope. Around half that. The rest was for the CPUs.
Smaller chips at high clocks tend to be cheaper than huge chips at slow clocks, even if aggregate performance comes out the same. Lots of tradeoffs to make there.JohnnySasaki said:
I don't think we'll see a full version of any high-end PC GPU in any console ever again. The PC market has become too crazy to still make easy transitions like that.
Well a bit more than twicedoesn't the PS3/360 have around 30-40MB ram for the OS?
Yeah, but Wii U also has to push textures and stuff to two screens so its a wash!!!!
Wrong.
OG_Original Gamer
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Devs have the option to choose whether or not to do that.
Nostremitus
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I should start ending all of my posts with four exclamation points!!!!
Seriously though, once the texture is in the ram, couldn't it be used on both? I don't see why the system would have to load duplicates of the same thing... running the engine twice I understand for diffferent angles/scenes, but textures?
Maybe I'm just not understanding how it works, but would you have to?
Seriously though, once the texture is in the ram, couldn't it be used on both? I don't see why the system would have to load duplicates of the same thing... running the engine twice I understand for diffferent angles/scenes, but textures?
Maybe I'm just not understanding how it works, but would you have to?
I don't know about what they'd say specifically but I'd say that whatever comes the closest to matching Sony's original spec (AMD HD7790 18CU~1152SPU) is the tippy top end for next gen.
What do you mean?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
If the two screens are showing different views of the same scene then textures would be shared. If it's entirely different scenes then it could be entirely different textures. All of the games we've seen material from so far are of the first type.
ed: Wait, P100 has this in-doors mini-game on the pad while the main screen is showing the standard view. That could potentially use fairly different assets for the two views.
Why?
As we know with the wiiU and the 360 specs often change this far out.
And even remember a thread a few weeks back that was stating that specs aren't final yet. Of course it was rumor but so is everything these days.
Barack Lesnar
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Can I see a link to that rumor? :O.
I honestly only remember it in the back of my mind from browsing a little while back.
I literally read it and was like, oh that's interesting, wonder if that's true, and then moved on.
I very well could be going cuckoo from college, work and lack of sleep though and misread the thread.
Nostremitus
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It's just needs a few extra 854x480 buffers. That's just a few MB
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
No, BLOPS2 is a prime example where the assets will be shared between the two views as the entire map's assets are all pre-loaded.
ed: I see what may have misled you. A scene is a term which is more akin to 'a level' than to 'a camera view'. You can be sitting in a scene, looking all around and it's the same set of assets in memory, just some of them get clipped by the visibility checks.
Rumor = fact?
At this point it is very, very unlikely. Even getting close to 500 glfop is very very tough.
Dev kit specs change. Often. Don't look at dev kits for an indicator of what's going to be inside the console.
Target specs changing? No... Not so often. Not late in the game, anyway. WYSIWYG is their general rule of thumb.
Nostremitus
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Right, now I'm trying to think of a game that would use loads of textures on both screens... or better yet, why a game would. You can't really focus on two unrelated dynamic environments at the same time, unless you're playing a local co-op game in which both players have the full single player experience simultaneously, one on the gamepad, the other on the TV. That idea is probably better suited for a different thread though.
Edit:
Gotcha, for some reason I thought the textures dropped from the RAM during visibility checks. I am clearly not a dev, lol
I didn't mean it as a hard limit so much as "that's a pretty damn awesome baseline to work with". It's like how when the Wii U speculation began, I had most of my eggs in the "performance similar to a RV740 with Nintendo-isms" basket which even now seems to hold pretty well.
MadeInBeats
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Rumor = fact?