AP poll: U.S. majority have prejudice against blacks.

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Angelus Errare said:
Buy toilet safe ones! I don't want to ever see shit clumps in the midget sink ever again. It was everywhere and it was like smeared and it just floated in the water...right next to me as I had to piss...different colors like fruity pebbles.
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Even the toilet safe ones clog up old pipes.
 
Yaboosh said:
Please explain further.
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Black people can have prejudice against other blacks. They could think that they're lazy, not up to large tasks, etc.

And believing these things doesn't necessarily imply hatred or a belief that blacks are inferior; rather, it could merely be ignorance, or people judging black people as a whole from Obama and his policies.
 
JokerOfSpades said:
Black people can have prejudice against other blacks. They could think that they're lazy, not up to large tasks, etc.

And believing these things doesn't necessarily imply hatred or a belief that blacks are inferior; rather, it could merely be ignorance, or people judging black people as a whole from Obama and his policies.
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Same thing with any minority, you can absorb the rhetoric and think stereotypically/unfairly about your own group.
 
Mumei said:
When I last took the test around 2009, I displayed a slight implicit bias towards European American faces. I don't hold explicitly prejudiced beliefs. While there is some connection between implicit prejudices and explicitly held attitudes and opinion formation (see the post IHaveCandy replied to), but it isn't necessarily the case as it is possible to be aware of one's implicit biases and reject them or for explicit values to be stronger, I guess.

But it isn't saying you're a sekrit racest.



I think this is where your perspective becomes incoherent. You are cognizant of race and you are categorizing them on the basis of race as soon as you become aware of that fact. You can attempt to abstract it - "I am not categorizing them by race; I am seeing that their skin color means other people would categorize them by race" - but this is ultimately a distinction without meaning.

And my point is that because of how our minds work, how we categorize based on visual information, how we live in a society that imparts information about racial categories (inaccurate though it is) that causes people make differing judgments on the basis of those racial observations, we are going to continue to have categorization on the basis of race (because race is visible and people make those categorizations automatically) and we are going to have racism (because we have had centuries of on-going judgments on the basis of race and those have consequences still today). For me, the solution is not to simply declare by fiat that race does not matter and that we do not see race. We do see race. When we act as if race doesn't matter we pretend that racial group differences in lifespans, wealth, educational attainment, income mobility, arrest rates, and so forth are not matters of systemic and institutionalized racism - racism doesn't matter; we're all just people! - but as matters that those people as individuals are wholly responsible for.

I really must insist that you read those books I recommended. Even if you don't agree with them, it will at least make this conversation better when we have it again.
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If I see a black person, I will obviously recognize that their skin tone is the same as mine. And I will obviously deduce that they almost certainly share a more similar ancestry to me than a white person. That doesn't mean I see them as a "black" person. Race is not something like male or female. Your sex is a very binary category. 99.9% of the time, you are either absolutely male or absolutely female. Race is not the same way. I know plenty of Hispanics who are confused as Asians. I know plenty of middle-eastern people who are confused as Hispanics. I know plenty of African people who are confused as Indian. It's a crappy way of categorizing people, and I do not make the distinction. I do not take a mental step of saying "this person is x". I classify people by their gender because there is a real biological difference there that is worth categorizing. I don't categorize people by race because it is often just an arbitrary assortments of traits that often don't actually describe that person well. The only reason we see race is because we've been taught race and we're pre-disposed to xenophobia. I say get rid of both.


I am willing to check out those books, though I probably wouldn't want to read an entire book on the subject. I'll admit to being a lazy reader. Would you say the entire book must be read to understand it, or are you talking about one particular subject talked about within the book?
 
White people are scared that their numbers are dwindling compared to those of color and it shows by them trying to ruin the country with this Romney tea party crap while keeping a black man from restoring our country to reason and civility for all citizens.

Buncha redneck racist morons.

And im white btw
 
Klocker said:
White people are scared that their numbers are dwindling compared to those of color and it shows by them trying to ruin the country with this Romney tea party crap while keeping a black man from restoring our country to reason and civility for all citizens.

Buncha redneck racist morons.

And im white btw
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The next 20 years will be very interesting.
 
Most Americans expressed anti-Hispanic sentiments, too. In an AP survey done in 2011, 52% of non-Hispanic whites expressed anti-Hispanic attitudes. That figure rose to 57% in the implicit test.
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feels bad man
 
I'm sure this is shocking to some white people (the majority of which probably do not realize that racism is alive and well in America), but this is pretty obvious to people of color.

I experience racism constantly. It's fucking awful.
 
I was at a Romney rally today in Florida, people had pins that said "F_CK Obama / Would You Like to Buy a Vowel?" (this was sold at the event) as well as the "Don't Re-Nig" buttons (99% sure these were brought from the outside/internet).
 
Advance_Alarm said:
I was at a Romney rally today in Florida, people had pins that said "F_CK Obama / Would You Like to Buy a Vowel?" (this was sold at the event) as well as the "Don't Re-Nig" buttons (99% sure these were brought from the outside/internet).
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Sick fuckers. Too stupid to live in the world without rationalizing that they are "superior" to those who their ancestors looked down upon
 
My test indicated a moderate preference for black people? I don't think that's right.

Although... I do really like Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong so....
helluvalot more than marilyn monroe or mel gibson :l
 
Sad, but not surprising. At least we're starting to get more honest with ourselves. Makes it easier for a corrective dialog to happen. Will that happen in the current political climate? Probably not. :[
 
thetrin said:
I'm sure this is shocking to some white people (the majority of which probably do not realize that racism is alive and well in America), but this is pretty obvious to people of color.

I experience racism constantly. It's fucking awful.
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I will say I've experienced more "in your face" racism here than I ever have when I lived overseas.

The first time I was ever called a "nigger" was in the US, SC to be exact. I experience alot less here in FL though.

I'm already immune to it though. Stupid people are going to be stupid, all I can do is smile and go about my day.
 
Advance_Alarm said:
I was at a Romney rally today in Florida, people had pins that said "F_CK Obama / Would You Like to Buy a Vowel?" (this was sold at the event) as well as the "Don't Re-Nig" buttons (99% sure these were brought from the outside/internet).
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I'm assuming that this has to specifically be about "Obama", his last name. So... they do realize that "Romney" has the same number of vowels, right?

They don't, do they?
 
Rorschach said:
Not sure if serious...
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No, not serious I guess. I fully realize that this is a bigoted pin meant to use his "black" name to demonize him. I just found it ironic that "Romney" has the same number of vowels as "Obama". The "They don't do they?" part was poking fun at the fact that they don't recognize this.
 
I can safely say this test is absolute bullshit.

According to it, I strongly prefer Hispanic people, then Asian people are kinda in the middle, blacks right below that and white people right below that. Which is whack. I can safely admit I prefer white people slightly, just because its in my nature to identify with my own kind. I would imagine most everybody else feels the same way if they're honest with themselves.

Its a test of memorization and pattern recognition more than anything.

Shame that people are taking it seriously and acting like half the US is racist. I rarely see overt racism. I think most people keep it to themselves or with people they're close to.
 
Syrinx said:
No, not serious I guess. I fully realize that this is a bigoted pin meant to use his "black" name to demonize him. I just found it ironic that "Romney" has the same number of vowels as "Obama". The "They don't do they?" part was poking fun at the fact that they don't recognize this.
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It reads, "would you like to buy a vowel?" because there is an underscore in the preceding expletive. ("F_CK OBAMA")
 
Appalling and embarrassing. I think it's fair to blame much of this on the right ring (especially in the media), who in recent years have really turned to extremities to push their agendas.
 
Seanspeed said:
I can safely say this test is absolute bullshit.

According to it, I strongly prefer Hispanic people, then Asian people are kinda in the middle, blacks right below that and white people right below that. Which is whack. I can safely admit I prefer white people slightly, just because its in my nature to identify with my own kind. I would imagine most everybody else feels the same way if they're honest with themselves.

Its a test of memorization and pattern recognition more than anything.

Shame that people are taking it seriously and acting like half the US is racist. I rarely see overt racism. I think most people keep it to themselves or with people they're close to.
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This is just a BS post. I'd say it reeked of apologist racist tact. Firstly, preferring a particular race over others? I get that you might be more attracted to a particular race or colour etc, but to outright prefer one? Then the notion that if you're covertly racist you're somehow not racist because you didn't do it publicly lol. What a crock..

I'm Asian and I do not prefer Asians or any race for that matter. Memorisation or pattern recognition or any of that other BS doesn't come in to it, because I'd like to think I'm not narrow minded and can see past simply colour.
 
nib95 said:
This is just a BS post. I'd say it reeked of apologist racist tact. Firstly, preferring a particular race over others is just perfectly normal? I get that you might be more attracted to a particular race or colour etc, but to outright prefer one? Then the notion that if you're covertly racist you're somehow not racist because you didn't do it publicly lol.

I'm Asian and I do not prefer Asians or any rave for that matter. Memorisation or pattern recognition or any of that other BS doesn't come in to it, because if like to think I'm not narrow minded and can see past simply colour.
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Yes, I think prefering a certain race is definitely normal behavior. It doesn't mean I dislike other races, just that I've always identified more with people of the same color.

You may not feel the same way, but it doesn't mean what I said isn't true about most people.

And yea, take the test man. Its definitely all about memorization and pattern recognition. It says I prefer white people the least out of hispanics, blacks and asians. If you want to ignore how faulty it is in order to keep on believing what you want to believe(whatever that is), I cant control that, but I can at least speak out to everyone else who is buying into this test being any kind of credible way of testing people's racistness.

I also never said that people who aren't overtly racist aren't racist.

You're seriously just going way over the top for some reason.
 
IHaveCandy said:
I don't categorize people by race because it is often just an arbitrary assortments of traits that often don't actually describe that person well. The only reason we see race is because we've been taught race and we're pre-disposed to xenophobia. I say get rid of both.
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What a good idea. I'm game if the other seven billion people in the world are. Until then, though, I might have to go on dealing with society as it exists and being aware of race because everybody else is.
 
I think most people who say they dont categorize people into races are full of shit. We categorize people in all sorts of ways. The color of our skin is an easy one for us to do. Working at a cafe, when I'd have to point out who ordered something to one of my employees, it was often easiest to say, "Black guy with the red shirt" or something than to skirt around their skin color and find other ways of pointing them out. I guess that makes me racist, though eh?

Some people are just so damn PC that they start to lose sight of actual reality and the way we work. Seeing people as different colors or whatever isn't some terrible thing. Its common for people to be proud of who they are, should we call those people 'x supremacists' or something? It becomes a problem when people show prejudicial attitudes towards people of different color or nationality or whatever. Other than that, its just how our brains work. We categorize things for the sake of ease of information retrieval.
 
Seanspeed said:
Yes, I think prefering a certain race is definitely normal behavior. It doesn't mean I dislike other races, just that I've always identified more with people of the same color.

You may not feel the same way, but it doesn't mean what I said isn't true about most people.

And yea, take the test man. Its definitely all about memorization and pattern recognition. It says I prefer white people the least out of hispanics, blacks and asians. If you want to ignore how faulty it is in order to keep on believing what you want to believe(whatever that is), I cant control that, but I can at least speak out to everyone else who is buying into this test being any kind of credible way of testing people's racistness.

I also never said that people who aren't overtly racist aren't racist.

You're seriously just going way over the top for some reason.
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Let me just ask you this. Why do you think White people are better than Blacks, or Asians or any other race for that matter?
 
Seanspeed said:
I think most people who say they dont categorize people into races are full of shit. We categorize people in all sorts of ways. The color of our skin is an easy one for us to do. Working at a cafe, when I'd have to point out who ordered something to one of my employees, it was often easiest to say, "Black guy with the red shirt" or something than to skirt around their skin color and find other ways of pointing them out. I guess that makes me racist, though eh?

Some people are just so damn PC that they start to lose sight of actual reality and the way we work. Seeing people as different colors or whatever isn't some terrible thing. Its common for people to be proud of who they are, should we call those people 'x supremacists' or something? It becomes a problem when people show prejudicial attitudes towards people of different color or nationality or whatever. Other than that, its just how our brains work. We categorize things for the sake of ease of information retrieval.
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I didn't say using race as a categorization tool is racist. I said it's a crappy way of categorizing people.
 
Does anyone really believe in a racism free world?

I hate to break the news to you... But racism has been around since the dawn of time and will be here when time ends.

Truth hurts.
 
pigeon said:
What a good idea. I'm game if the other six hundred billion people in the world are. Until then, though, I might have to go on dealing with society as it exists and being aware of race because everybody else is.
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Shit. The growth rate must have exploded when I wasn't looking.
 
nib95 said:
What would you say White people have more in common with you? Besides skin colour of course.
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It's culture.
Take a look and observe. It's all around. People of the same race often click and spend time together. I see large groups of Asians powing around. Black people powing around. White people powing around. It doesn't mean anyone is racist or thinks anyone is better than anyone else, but they might come to find they have more culture in common. There's a lot more to it than just skin color.
 
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