AP poll: U.S. majority have prejudice against blacks.

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Enosh said:
or you know, they vote for the candidate that they think better represent their interest

as a white male from a working class family there is no way in hell I'd ever vote for the democratic party if I lived in the US, the republicans mostly work towards protecting their rich friends, true, but at least they throw a bone to working class whites here and there while the democrats quite openly despise them
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Democrats openly despise the working poor? Who's responsible for the social programs that make being poorer in America not as terrible as it could be?
 
Enosh said:
or you know, they vote for the candidate that they think better represent their interest

as a white male from a working class family there is no way in hell I'd ever vote for the democratic party if I lived in the US, the republicans mostly work towards protecting their rich friends, true, but at least they throw a bone to working class whites here and there while the democrats quite openly despise them
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two-party system holding back the ~~ Third Position ~~
 
Suite Pee said:
Democrats openly despise the working poor? Who's responsible for the social programs that make being poorer in America not as terrible as it could be?
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working poor? no
I specifically said working poor whites

it's evident from watching any kind of US media, or comments from known democrats and democratic politicians, I think this daily show clip illustrates the contempt quite clearly:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-5-2012/hope-and-change-2---the-party-of-inclusion
 
Grakl said:
Oh, alright.
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"Your data suggest a much stronger implicit association between Obama and American compared to that between Romney and American."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

got a different quiz. even then the results are just silly. after a speed round of Obama being associated with a button, my brain got fucking conditioned to him being on that button. as such, I hesitated a little more when it suddenly switched sides and Romey/American was on the other side.

Again, it had nothing to do with how I feel about either (which I assume it purports to test) and everything to do with the advantage that the first set got by simply being first (mental conditioning).

I'll try again to see if I get black/white questions again, but...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. This test is bullshit.
 
bjork said:
That survey thing is pretty whack. It's asking me about politics when I don't pay attention to politics. It should've been like "do you like ascots?" "what about cool sneakers?"
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I think it does that to categorize the results of the real test, which is listing famous people of different skin color and positive/negative words. Test felt stupid though -- it became whether or not I could remember who the person it named was.
Your data suggest a slight implicit preference for famous Black people compared to famous White people.
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I think I just knew who all of the black celebrities were, but didn't recognize a few of the white ones.
 
Seems quite low. Folks are just too brazen with racism nowadays. Then they get mad when called on it, true racism not what some folks wrongly call racism.
 
Mudkips said:
Welcome to social "sciences".
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Why the scare quotes? Social sciences are unquestionably firmly rooted in empiricism. That what is being observed and studied (here, subconscious human attitudes and associations) is extremely complex does not take it out of the realm of science.
 
I bet the great majority of those people are white, conservative, baby boomers, goddamn it, we're not in the 50's anymore, get over it
 
Yeah, this is human nature, folks. Most of us have implicit prejudice toward anything that isn't like us. That includes race, skin color, hair color (blondes are stupid, redheads are temperamental, etc.), nationality, body type, diet, showering habits, toilet etiquette (you don't use a bidet?!), and on and on.
 
Baby wipes > bidet...who wants to see small shit clumps in a midget sink? (I say this from a scarring experience when I lived in Vicenza Italy...will always be in my mind).
 
Enosh said:
or you know, they vote for the candidate that they think better represent their interest

as a white male from a working class family there is no way in hell I'd ever vote for the democratic party if I lived in the US, the republicans mostly work towards protecting their rich friends, true, but at least they throw a bone to working class whites here and there while the democrats quite openly despise them
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Not living in the U.S.? That's nice. We have enough low-information voters. Republicans, not Democrats, constantly harp on the supposed sloth and stupidity of the '47%' (the majority of which comprises working-class folk), and are fiercely committing to gutting or entirely eliminating the social safety nets that working-class folk are especial beneficiaries of.
 
"Your data suggest a slight implicit preference for Black People compared to White People."

I wonder if this was fueled by my anger when reading this thread
 
Ah they just mad they don't have a racial one liner that rimes like we do.

In other news my next door neighbor hates black people and he ain't even white, he can hate me however he likes as long as he doesn't do anything stupid he's ok with me.
 
I took the test, and got

"Your data suggest a slight implicit preference for famous Black people compared to famous White people. "

But they were showing me names of awesome black people like Bill Cosby and Louis Armstrong and whatnot, and none of the white people they were showing me were anywhere near as dope, maybe Mark Twain comes close. Anyway, obviously I'm not in a position to make an informed criticism of the experimental procedure, but it seems like the sort of thing that could very easily miscategorize someone as having underlying biases even if that's not the case. Also, if someone honestly prefers famous black people to famous white people or vice versa in this kind of test, I wouldn't automatically say that person in racist. Maybe they just like Jazz, which is dominated by black artists, or Classic Rock, which is dominated by white artists, or something like that.
 
Your data suggest a slight implicit preference for Black People compared to White People.

I'm also a white Republican. We aren't all bad GAF. :)
 
Not me. I have a great relationship with the blacks.

I'm married to a beautiful black woman.
 
I can't speak for the majority of Americans, so I don't have much to say about this. It's not particularly surprising. What is surprising to me, however, is just how many people were open and honest about their racist feelings. Most of the racists I know are adamant that they are not racist, and would be perfectly willing to accept minorities so long as they worked, paid their taxes, and voted Republican.
 
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Phoenician_Viking said:
SMH. I thought when Obama became president, the relationship between white and blacks in the US will get much better for the majority of the population. It got worse. Come on America, stop this already.
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I don't live in America so this might sound naive but why would Obama becoming President help with race relations?


That statement makes no sense to me.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
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Rue was my favorite character in hunger games.

It's actually complete crap that she died, she could have very well have killed everyone while they were sleeping. She was just taking a victory lap.

But geez, that girl was super cute. I really can't understand how anyone didn't like that actor a whole hell of a lot. Her dying was the emotional climax of the movie for me.

Screw Pita
 
pigeon said:
This is really worth emphasizing. Racism isn't a thing that only white people do, it's a thing that people of color internalize as well. It'd be pretty easy to link to prominent African-American celebrities expressing what are basically racist attitudes about black people, because guess what, that's part of the deal you make to become a prominent African-American celebrity. Let's not put it all on white people. They're not the only racists, they're just the ones that benefit the most from racism.
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Ultimately, i don't think anyone benefits. Imagine we'd had that many million more people getting into higher education and contributing to science and industry. The failures that left people trapped in cycles of poverty deprived us of tremendous productivity.
 
Angelus Errare said:
It was yours, or at least you were in it, I remember your avatar clearly.
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You mean the avatar I have had for mere days? :P

This is the topic I was referring to, though.

Slavik81 said:
Ultimately, i don't think anyone benefits. Imagine we'd had that many million more people getting into higher education and contributing to science and industry. The failures that left people trapped in cycles of poverty deprived us of tremendous productivity.
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White people don't benefit in the sense that we are better off with racism than we would otherwise be; we benefit in the sense that we are relatively better off than black (or brown) people are. Unfortunately a lot of people have trouble seeing how giving up a relative advantage can actually have benefits in an absolute sense - though one would hope that equality would be its own motivation.
 
Sorry but I can't agree that blacks are the racists that help keep themselves down. Any racist ideas absorbed, I would have to say would generally be defensively, which makes it non-racist in my view.
 
Cyan said:
Depends on what you mean by legitimate. There are certain clusters of characteristics among the categories we call race, and human brains are set up so as to recognize and categorize according to clusters of similarity.

So it's sort of inevitable until the races blend.
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The problem is that it spreads more disinformation than information. There are better ways to describe people physically than black, white, asian, or hispanic.
 
Tristam said:
Not living in the U.S.? That's nice. We have enough low-information voters. Republicans, not Democrats, constantly harp on the supposed sloth and stupidity of the '47%' (the majority of which comprises working-class folk), and are fiercely committing to gutting or entirely eliminating the social safety nets that working-class folk are especial beneficiaries of.
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yep i agree on that point, a country should provide a valid and good social safety net for all it's citizens, minimum wage should go up, corporations should be taxed to hell and back, I can get behind all of that

but that's not the issue, my problems with democrats has nothing whatsoever to do with their economic policy

edit: sorry late here, kinda wrote agree and disagree together -.-
 
According to the IAT, I prefer blacks more than asians, asians more than hispanics, and hispanics more than whites. This doesn't really match my conscious thinking.
 
Mumei said:
People tell me that, but I'm colorblind so I just have to go on what people say.



One of the smartest things you said was in an earlier discussion we had on the issue of affirmative action, where you also argued against affirmative action. If you don't remember, this is the important part:



You went on to say that your opinions wouldn't change, but you were at least willing to consider the possibility that you had incomplete information.

I think that is still true here. You are setting up this paradigm where if we do not talk about race, then there won't be racism because, hey, we're all just people. This is the ideology of colorblindness, and it actually does more to exacerbate the problem because prejudice and racism still happens; it just means that you are unable to identify it when it happens. We make judgments on the basis of race before we are consciously aware of them. As I said in the post you responded to:



And if you look at the aggregate results for the African American - European American IAT, you can see why those things are the case: Most people display an automatic, implicit preference for white people over black people, quite apart from any explicit racist beliefs they might have. When we are aware of race and its importance on our thinking and perceptions we can be more self-conscious of the way that race might be affecting the way that we are perceiving things. When we just say "Race doesn't exist" we aren't making those problems go away. We're burying our heads in the sand and pretending they don't exist.
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Well, my idea of colorblindness works if you actually buy into it. I think I can confidently say I do not have any biases or preferences of any races. It's not exactly quantifiable, so I guess I shouldn't act as if I've never once ever allowed some silly racial bias to sway my decision. I think if everybody thought the way I did about race, there would be no racism. Obviously, not everybody is going to fall in lockstep all at once. My disregard for race has not impaired my ability to notice when racism happens. Just because I do not categorize people as "black" or "white" doesn't mean I am no longer incapable of telling who would be categorized as "black" or "white". I don't see how colorblindness is bad. It sounds like you're saying we need to stick with racial categorization because otherwise racists will more easily be able to be racist. I don't think that would happen.
 
Deified Data said:
According to the IAT, I prefer blacks more than asians, asians more than hispanics, and hispanics more than whites. This doesn't really match my conscious thinking.
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When I last took the test around 2009, I displayed a slight implicit bias towards European American faces. I don't hold explicitly prejudiced beliefs. While there is some connection between implicit prejudices and explicitly held attitudes and opinion formation (see the post IHaveCandy replied to), but it isn't necessarily the case as it is possible to be aware of one's implicit biases and reject them or for explicit values to be stronger, I guess.

But it isn't saying you're a sekrit racest.

IHaveCandy said:
Well, my idea of colorblindness works if you actually buy into it. I think I can confidently say I do not have any biases or preferences of any races. It's not exactly quantifiable, so I guess I shouldn't act as if I've never once ever allowed some silly racial bias to sway my decision. I think if everybody thought the way I did about race, there would be no racism. Obviously, not everybody is going to fall in lockstep all at once. My disregard for race has not impaired my ability to notice when racism happens. Just because I do not categorize people as "black" or "white" doesn't mean I am no longer incapable of telling who would be categorized as "black" or "white". I don't see how colorblindness is bad. It sounds like you're saying we need to stick with racial categorization because otherwise racists will more easily be able to be racist. I don't think that would happen.
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I think this is where your perspective becomes incoherent. You are cognizant of race and you are categorizing them on the basis of race as soon as you become aware of that fact. You can attempt to abstract it - "I am not categorizing them by race; I am seeing that their skin color means other people would categorize them by race" - but this is ultimately a distinction without meaning.

And my point is that because of how our minds work, how we categorize based on visual information, how we live in a society that imparts information about racial categories (inaccurate though it is) that causes people make differing judgments on the basis of those racial observations, we are going to continue to have categorization on the basis of race (because race is visible and people make those categorizations automatically) and we are going to have racism (because we have had centuries of on-going judgments on the basis of race and those have consequences still today). For me, the solution is not to simply declare by fiat that race does not matter and that we do not see race. We do see race. When we act as if race doesn't matter we pretend that racial group differences in lifespans, wealth, educational attainment, income mobility, arrest rates, and so forth are not matters of systemic and institutionalized racism - racism doesn't matter; we're all just people! - but as matters that those people as individuals are wholly responsible for.

I really must insist that you read those books I recommended. Even if you don't agree with them, it will at least make this conversation better when we have it again.
 
Meh. Blacks can be prejudiced against blacks, as well. And prejudice doesn't directly imply racism/hatred (though racism/hatred often follows).
 
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