AP poll: U.S. majority have prejudice against blacks.

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Dreams-Visions said:
No, that didn't happen to me. I made no mistakes. The only challenge was remembering which was associated with K and which was associated with D in a given round. Not whether one was associated with "good" or "bad". It wasn't set up well enough to test exclusively for bias as it purports to want to do.



no, what that part wanted to do was associate "good" or "bad" with the color of faces that flashed on the screen. it didn't. it tested how well I could remember that black/white was supposed to be "K" in a given round. No more, no less.
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so why is it slightly harder for you to remember when black people are K?
 
You Are Viewtiful said:
I think the larger income inequality is more to blame for the animosity between Americans and the poor race relations is a symptom of that.
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Historically though is that accurate? It's the hatred and racism that created the disparity of wealth that we see today in the first place. Centuries of owning people as property. And the only way to sleep at night while doing such things and claiming this to be a land of free people is to say that those being enslaved ARENT real people. To dehumanize them And the best way to dehumanize someone is to demonize someone. Centuries of that. Combined with generations of denying certain "freed" people of certain colors access to the same jobs/careers/educations that lead to success and earning money and property which is then passed down to ones children.

The problem is that the effects of Jim Crow still reverberate through American society today.

MWS Natural said:
I always respected the upfront racism of Republicans.
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Upfront? I'll hate it but at least I know where they stand. I just hate the attempted subtle racism and then the denial and the double down.
 
The Faceless Master said:
so why is it slightly harder for you to remember when black people are K?
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It wasn't. At first I thought I was doing the test wrong so the first round (which was black = k) was slower than all other rounds. I thought I hadn't read the description right, as I was expecting it to be different than what it was. I felt more comfortable towards the end, though I started thinking something was wrong with my browser because I was expecting different words or faces or something.

There was also a face in there that I wasn't sure if it was white OR black. Could have been either, so when that face came up I paused in a couple of rounds to decide if she was a K or a D. I'm still not sure, and may have misidentified her entirely. We come in a range of shades. The pictures should have been in color.

If I did it again now understanding how it works, my results would probably be different. But who knows.
 
Someone should link that thread we had on 20 to 1 on drugs and how despite media portrayal. Whites deal just as much drugs as blacks, difference being whites don't get arrested at the same rate.

Eye opening experience for some people in that thread if I remember correctly.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
It wasn't. At first I thought I was doing the test wrong so the first round (which was black = k) was slower than all other rounds. I thought I hadn't read the description right, as I was expecting it to be different than what it was. I felt more comfortable towards the end, though I started thinking something was wrong with my browser because I was expecting different words or faces or something.

There was also a face in there that I wasn't sure if it was white OR black. Could have been either, so when that face came up I paused in a couple of rounds to decide if she was a K or a D. I'm still not sure, and may have misidentified her entirely. We come in a range of shades. The pictures should have been in color.

If I did it again now understanding how it works, my results would probably be different. But who knows.
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If it was just because you didn't know what to do at the beginning, and you think it had influenced your score, then take it again.
 
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Grakl said:
If it was just because you didn't know what to do at the beginning, and you think it had influenced your score, then take it again.
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Yea I might.

There's a face that i wasn't sure about as well. I studied it for several seconds. I'll post that pic or something as I really wasn't confident what ethnicity she was. Pics should have been in color, with obviously pale or obviously people of color.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
Historically though is that accurate? It's the hatred and racism that created the disparity of wealth that we see today in the first place. Centuries of owning people as property. And the only way to sleep at night while doing such things and claiming this to be a land of free people is to say that those being enslaved ARENT real people. To dehumanize them And the best way to dehumanize someone is to demonize someone. Centuries of that. Combined with generations of denying certain "freed" people of certain colors access to the same jobs/careers/educations that lead to success and earning money and property which is then passed down to ones children.

The problem is that the effects of Jim Crow still reverberate through American society today.

Upfront? I'll hate it but at least I know where they stand. I just hate the attempted subtle racism and then the denial and the double down.
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the problem is many things, including Kevin Johnson will get more callbacks to come in for an interview on name alone, even with a worse resume than Kareem Johnson.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Yea I might.

There's a face that i wasn't sure about as well. I studied it for several seconds. I'll post that pic or something as I really wasn't confident what ethnicity she was. Pics should have been in color, with obviously pale or obviously people of color.
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i didn't notice any faces that were even close to being ambiguous. your results seem to be upsetting you. why is that?
 
I wonder what % of them are black people who have a prejudice against blacks. surely the 51% includes people of all races not just Caucasians.
 
RangersFan said:
I wonder what % of them are black people who have a prejudice against blacks. surely the 51% includes people of all races not just Caucasians.
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I wonder what % of them are white people who have a prejudice against whites... i mean, i know the results are stacked one way, but there's gotta be some... i also like how neutral is slightly higher than a slight preference

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I get the point of that ITA test. Basically, they keep flipping around the categories to get you confused, and attempt to get you to fall back on some sort of default assumption. I don't know if it works well because I never got confused and got it 100% correct. I would say I am definitely a person that does not even look at people as different races. I think more people should do that. The problem with racism is that we still refer to people as "separate but equal" races. Race is a really crappy and arbitrary method of categorization. It spreads more disinformation than information. It's too late for most people to suddenly no longer naturally see people as different races, but I would encourage parents to teach their kids how important it is to disregard race as any sort of identification.
 
I'm still surprised there is so much racism in the U.S.
Hope that high percentage is from the older generation...

Racism just seems so archaic.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Someone should link that thread we had on 20 to 1 on drugs and how despite media portrayal. Whites deal just as much drugs as blacks, difference being whites don't get arrested at the same rate.

Eye opening experience for some people in that thread if I remember correctly.
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Can you remember what thread it was? I had a thread about racism and the criminal justice system that touched on that earlier this year but I'm not sure if that is the same as what you are talking about.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
Historically though is that accurate? It's the hatred and racism that created the disparity of wealth that we see today in the first place. Centuries of owning people as property. And the only way to sleep at night while doing such things and claiming this to be a land of free people is to say that those being enslaved ARENT real people. To dehumanize them And the best way to dehumanize someone is to demonize someone. Centuries of that. Combined with generations of denying certain "freed" people of certain colors access to the same jobs/careers/educations that lead to success and earning money and property which is then passed down to ones children.

The problem is that the effects of Jim Crow still reverberate through American society today.



Upfront? I'll hate it but at least I know where they stand. I just hate the attempted subtle racism and then the denial and the double down.
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What I mean is that increase in income inequality has a lot to do with the increase in racial tension, not that racial tensions exist because of income inequality. Of course, I agree with you racial tension and inequality exists for many other reasons other than income inequality.
 
Can anybody give me a legitimate reason why we still use race as a method of categorizing people? What benefit does it give us? Aren't there better ways to classify people? How does describing somebody by their race benefit us, and how is it not better handled with other methods?
 
eLZhi said:
I took the same one and found it to be inaccurate. It had white people at the top, which is probably accurate, black and hispanics in the center, and asians way at the bottom, which is where I found it really inaccurate.
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Yeah, gonna take the other one when it's not 630 and I'm not at work, already wasted too much time on the first test LOL.

IHaveCandy said:
Can anybody give me a legitimate reason why we still use race as a method of categorizing people? What benefit does it give us? Aren't there better ways to classify people? How does describing somebody by their race benefit us, and how is it not better handled with other methods?
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It's simple and easy for those who benefit.
 
IHaveCandy said:
Can anybody give me a legitimate reason why we still use race as a method of categorizing people?
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Depends on what you mean by legitimate. There are certain clusters of characteristics among the categories we call race, and human brains are set up so as to recognize and categorize according to clusters of similarity.

So it's sort of inevitable until the races blend.
 
It says I have no preference, but I think that's mostly down to my lack of sleep and there being no discernible pattern in my mistakes. I'm super duper racist irl.
 
Really not that surprising to me. The other day my father, who generally doesn't talk much and rarely talks poorly of anyone, said something with a tinge of racism. It caught me totally off guard and it made me lose a bit of respect for him. My mother also is pretty racist but she doesn't go out of her way to hide it. I should probably say something to them about it but I know it won't change their views and will really just cause trouble. They also hate homosexuals which makes things interesting because I'm bisexual(and haven't told them).
 
Apparently, I have a "moderate implicit preference for famous Black people."
I'm half white.
Reverse racism is real guise!
 
DCharlie said:
it seems the key is that every white person thinks that they have this chance to be super rich and , as a result - regardless of current wealth, make sure they vote for whoever represents where they'll be in <fantasy> years time.
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or you know, they vote for the candidate that they think better represent their interest

as a white male from a working class family there is no way in hell I'd ever vote for the democratic party if I lived in the US, the republicans mostly work towards protecting their rich friends, true, but at least they throw a bone to working class whites here and there while the democrats quite openly despise them
 
IHaveCandy said:
I get the point of that ITA test. Basically, they keep flipping around the categories to get you confused, and attempt to get you to fall back on some sort of default assumption. I don't know if it works well because I never got confused and got it 100% correct. I would say I am definitely a person that does not even look at people as different races. I think more people should do that. The problem with racism is that we still refer to people as "separate but equal" races. Race is a really crappy and arbitrary method of categorization. It spreads more disinformation than information. It's too late for most people to suddenly no longer naturally see people as different races, but I would encourage parents to teach their kids how important it is to disregard race as any sort of identification.
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did you see the aggregate results?
 
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Dunno what's going on here with black people. I'm a white guy from Ireland. There aren't many black people here, but the few I have talked too are usually immigrants from Africa, and they seem very nice people.

Still seems I like em a lot. :D
 
Enosh said:
or you know, they vote for the candidate that they think better represent their interest

as a white male from a working class family there is no way in hell I'd ever vote for the democratic party if I lived in the US, the republicans mostly work towards protecting their rich friends, true, but at least they throw a bone to working class whites here and there while the democrats quite openly despise them
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What? Republicans want to remove all safety nets for the poor.
 
mugurumakensei said:
Wait, you're red again.
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People tell me that, but I'm colorblind so I just have to go on what people say.

IHaveCandy said:
Can anybody give me a legitimate reason why we still use race as a method of categorizing people? What benefit does it give us? Aren't there better ways to classify people? How does describing somebody by their race benefit us, and how is it not better handled with other methods?
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One of the smartest things you said was in an earlier discussion we had on the issue of affirmative action, where you also argued against affirmative action. If you don't remember, this is the important part:

IHaveCandy said:
I will admit I am likely ignorant or not fully informed on a lot of details revolving around this issue. I may be wrong about just how much racism exists today. I may not know just how bad our laws were during the early 1900s. I agree that it would do me good to learn more about that.
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You went on to say that your opinions wouldn't change, but you were at least willing to consider the possibility that you had incomplete information.

I think that is still true here. You are setting up this paradigm where if we do not talk about race, then there won't be racism because, hey, we're all just people. This is the ideology of colorblindness, and it actually does more to exacerbate the problem because prejudice and racism still happens; it just means that you are unable to identify it when it happens. We make judgments on the basis of race before we are consciously aware of them. As I said in the post you responded to:

people in studies become more likely to identify black men as dangerous and carrying weapons and more likely to identify white men as safe - even when the white men are actually holding a weapon; people become increasingly punitive as a defendant's skin tone becomes darker; or people become increasingly negative about lyrics when told they are rap lyrics (as opposed to the lyrics of white folk singers they actually originate from); or how when asked to close their eyes and picture a drug user, ninety-five percent of respondents imagined a black man and only five percent imagined someone from another race; or how after watching a news story about a crime in which no picture was shown and the race of the accused was not stated, sixty percent claimed to have recalled seeing a picture, and seventy percent of those believed that the man they saw was black; or the inconsistent way that white and black students are treated for similar sexual or aggressive behaviors due to assigning an "intentionality" to black students' actions that weren't attributed to white students (and a good example of the way gender can be racialized).
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And if you look at the aggregate results for the African American - European American IAT, you can see why those things are the case: Most people display an automatic, implicit preference for white people over black people, quite apart from any explicit racist beliefs they might have. When we are aware of race and its importance on our thinking and perceptions we can be more self-conscious of the way that race might be affecting the way that we are perceiving things. When we just say "Race doesn't exist" we aren't making those problems go away. We're burying our heads in the sand and pretending they don't exist.
 
Dead Man said:
I would be surprised if most people didn't have an implicit preference for people they identify with.
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I agree, but I'm half white/half asian, so my results don't really fit with that assumption. My theory is that it was the quality of the talent of the people they were comparing. I mean Ella Fitzgerald vs Barbara Streisand? C'mon.
Or that the K and D switching thing was disorienting and the sample size wasn't large enough.
 
Vagabundo said:
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Dunno what's going on here with black people. I'm a white guy from Ireland. There aren't many black people here, but the few I have talked too are usually immigrants from Africa, and they seem very nice people.

Still seems I like em a lot. :D
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What tests are you guys taking? It's not the Race IAT, is it? I just took it twice, got the same results, and neither of them show this graph.
 
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