AP poll: U.S. majority have prejudice against blacks.

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What would you say White people have more in common with you? Besides skin colour of course.
Similar upbringing is a big one. Taste in music is usually more similar. Hobbies.

I really just feel like you're trying to bait me into saying something so you can go, "AHA! Racist! KNEW IT!" Its not like I look at a person and make a judgement like, "Oh they're white, I bet I'll get along with them more than that hispanic guy over there so I'll talk to the white person." Its just how things have naturally panned out for me over the years.

It's culture.
Take a look and observe. It's all around. People of the same race often click and spend time together. I see large groups of Asians powing around. Black people powing around. White people powing around. It doesn't mean anyone is racist or thinks anyone is better than anyone else, but they might come to find they have more culture in common. There's a lot more to it than just skin color.

This sums it up well.
 
Similar upbringing is a big one. Taste in music is usually more similar. Hobbies.

I really just feel like you're trying to bait me into saying something so you can go, "AHA! Racist! KNEW IT!" Its not like I look at a person and make a judgement like, "Oh they're white, I bet I'll get along with them more than that hispanic guy over there so I'll talk to the white person." Its just how things have naturally panned out for me over the years.

Exactly. Culture has a lot to do with it.
 
Similar upbringing is a big one. Taste in music is usually more similar. Hobbies.

I really just feel like you're trying to bait me into saying something so you can go, "AHA! Racist! KNEW IT!" Its not like I look at a person and make a judgement like, "Oh they're white, I bet I'll get along with them more than that hispanic guy over there so I'll talk to the white person." Its just how things have naturally panned out for me over the years.

What I'm trying to get at is that the things you speak of are nothing to do with race or skin colour, and everything to do with nurture, environment, surroundings, peers etc.
 
It's culture.
Take a look and observe. It's all around. People of the same race often click and spend time together. I see large groups of Asians powing around. Black people powing around. White people powing around. It doesn't mean anyone is racist or thinks anyone is better than anyone else, but they might come to find they have more culture in common. There's a lot more to it than just skin color.

this is interesting to me.. people choosing to hang out with people of their own race. especially asians. i see asian mobs all the time. I WANT TO HANG OUT WITH THEM
 
It's culture.
Take a look and observe. It's all around. People of the same race often click and spend time together. I see large groups of Asians powing around. Black people powing around. White people powing around. It doesn't mean anyone is racist or thinks anyone is better than anyone else, but they might come to find they have more culture in common. There's a lot more to it than just skin color.

Not that I don't disagree that people do this and I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, but in my experience diverse crews are a whole lot more fun than single race crews.

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this is interesting to me.. people choosing to hang out with people of their own race. especially asians. i see asian mobs all the time. I WANT TO HANG OUT WITH THEM

Then hang go hang out with them.... What's stopping you?
 
Then hang go hang out with them.... What's stopping you?
He's gotta go shopping for some new clothes first to fit in:

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Which are often influenced quite a bit by our race.

I don't know. Take your examples, hobby and music. See I'd never automatically link them to skin colour. I would never prefer [insert skin colour here] because they prefer a certain hobby or music genre, hell I wouldn't even connect the two. I would say I prefer badminton, basketball and football and anyone who plays these sports, but I wouldn't attach it to a race or colour. Far as I see it, any race can prefer any sport, any hobby and any kind of music. Skin colour does not and should not come in to it.
 
He's gotta go shopping for some new clothes first to fit in:

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lol. need that headband.

its funny, whenever i see these groups of asians i'm like "why do they all just hang out with people of their own race?".. but most of the time i'm walking down the street with a group of dudes they're all white.
 
BTW, the reason people are getting different tests is because the link goes to the current FEATURED test.

If you want to get the right one, click this:

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

Then click "Race IAT"

Wow, this test is awesome, and really made me think about my own subconscious opinions about things. I thought the way they did the test was really clever too and have no doubt it's effective in determining biases.

I recommend everyone take it.
 
I don't know. Take your examples, hobby and music. See I'd never automatically link them to skin colour. I would never prefer [insert skin colour here] because they prefer a certain hobby or music genre, hell I wouldn't even connect the two. I would say I prefer badminton, basketball and football and anyone who plays these sports, but I wouldn't attach it to a race or colour. Far as I see it, any race can prefer any sport, any hobby and any kind of music. Skin colour does not and should not come in to it.
You keep trying to argue from stances that I'm not taking. I never said anything like, 'if you're a certain race, you're gonna like 'x' activity and 'y' music'. There's just cultural differences that lead to different tendencies in what we enjoy. Tendencies being the key word. Obviously its not a strict rule.
 
He's gotta go shopping for some new clothes first to fit in:

What I think is funny is that one of my old roommates in college actually used to dress just like this. He was always wearing shirts with various kung fu logos and was really into yin yangs..... and wore a headband on occasion. What's ironic is that he's Chinese.

lol. need that headband.

its funny, whenever i see these groups of asians i'm like "why do they all just hang out with people of their own race?".. but most of the time i'm walking down the street with a group of dudes they're all white.

If they aren't FOBs or douche bags it's probably because no one has tried to hang out with them. If they're cool, they're just people. Seriously, just start a conversation one day. You might find you have things in common.
 
Wow, this test is awesome, and really made me think about my own subconscious opinions about things. I thought the way they did the test was a great idea too and have no doubt it's effective in determining biases.

I recommend everyone take it.

I agree everyone should take it, too. But just so they can realize how bad the test is. Some people here, including myself, are living evidence that its not effective in determining biases at all.
 
This was scary, sad, distressing but also really funny. I know I shouldn't laugh but the fear, ignorance and anger is at bat shit insane levels.

"Lamar won the Kenyan 600."

"The what? What the fuck they ride, Tigers?!"

Lol.

Does this skinhead not know that there are not Tigers in Kenya?
 
You keep trying to argue from stances that I'm not taking. I never said anything like, 'if you're a certain race, you're gonna like 'x' activity and 'y' music'. There's just cultural differences that lead to different tendencies in what we enjoy. Tendencies being the key word. Obviously its not a strict rule.

Most of your cultural differences have nothing to do with race at all, though. Most of them are simply a matter of WHERE you were raised over anything else.

Suburbanite black kids like rock just like urban white kids like rap.
 
That test is absolutely stupid. Answered everything truthfully.

"Your results are reported below:
Your data suggest a slight implicit preference for Black People compared to White People. "

Nope. What. Why.
 
That test is absolutely stupid. Answered everything truthfully.

"Your results are reported below:
Your data suggest a slight implicit preference for Black People compared to White People. "

Nope. What. Why.
Sometimes it is hard when a person is faced with the fact they have been living in denial. Embrace these new found feelings, and grow as a person.
 
Most of your cultural differences have nothing to do with race at all, though. Most of them are simply a matter of WHERE you were raised over anything else.

Suburbanite black kids like rock just like urban white kids like rap.
Living in suburbia myself, I can assure you that there's an overwhelming majority of white kids at rock shows(more than can be accounted for by the general population) and that hiphop is still more often the favored music type for black kids.

And its hard to seperate 'where' somebody grows up from the racial makeup of that area.

Why do you think it's bad?
I've already explained why. Its a test more of pattern recognition and memorization. I was actually getting better at it as I went along and my mistakes had nothing to do with any subconscious choices since I knew exactly what lead to any mistakes or slowdowns I had. The completely wrong results at the end cemented the idea that its totally inaccurate.
 
Most of your cultural differences have nothing to do with race at all, though. Most of them are simply a matter of WHERE you were raised over anything else.

Suburbanite black kids like rock just like urban white kids like rap.

*Is currently listening to Shine by Collective Soul*

Son...of....a......
 
I've already explained why. Its a test more of pattern recognition and memorization. I was actually getting better at it as I went along and my mistakes had nothing to do with any subconscious choices since I knew exactly what lead to any mistakes or slowdowns I had. The completely wrong results at the end cemented the idea that its totally inaccurate.

If you're going slow enough to think about it, you aren't doing the test properly; ideally you are supposed to do it on reaction without thinking about it. What you describe sounds as though you were going at a reasonably fast - but still deliberative - pace. There is no denying that it is a test of recognition; the issue is that people tend to find it easier to associate good things with white people and bad things with black people and more difficult to do the opposite. It's essentially "This is why the doll experiment is still true."

And how were your results wrong? If it is simply because they do not match your conscious beliefs, that's not indicative of a problem with the test.
 
Shame that people are taking it seriously and acting like half the US is racist.

"Racism is not merely a simplistic hatred. It is, more often, broad sympathy toward some and broader skepticism toward others."

Some people don't see racism in the U.S. because they don't know what racism actually looks like.
 
If you're going slow enough to think about it, you aren't doing the test properly; ideally you are supposed to do it on reaction without thinking about it. What you describe sounds as though you were going at a reasonably fast - but still deliberative - pace. There is no denying that it is a test of recognition; the issue is that people tend to find it easier to associate good things with white people and bad things with black people and more difficult to do the opposite. It's essentially "This is why the doll experiment is still true."

And how were your results wrong? If it is simply because they do not match your conscious beliefs, that's not indicative of a problem with the test.

I took the test three times, each time a few months apart. Each result was different. On one I showed no preference, another I preferred white people, and another I preferred black people. (I'm white.)

I think the test has some potential for error with the order in which things are done because of pattern recognition. That or I hate on groups of people in some sort of bizarre cycle.
 
Wait...wait...wait....is this real?

I certainly hope not.

Its really sad that there is so much prejudice towards people like me with a little extra melanin.

I was just talking to my friend (Indian girl raised in Holland). Me and her are great friends, hang out often. And she tells me yesterday that she couldn't go to the movies because there are too many Black guys and shes afraid.

I was like WTF? JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR. she has never actually been harmed or robbed or mugged or hurt physically by a black guy.. but.. room full of White guys.. no problem... room full of black guys.. OMG I"M SCARED.

I really don't understand it.
 
I certainly hope not.

Its really sad that there is so much prejudice towards people like me with a little extra melanin.

I was just talking to my friend (Indian girl raised in Holland). Me and her are great friends, hang out often. And she tells me yesterday that she couldn't go to the movies because there are too many Black guys and shes afraid.

I was like WTF? JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR. she has never actually been harmed or robbed or mugged or hurt physically by a black guy.. but.. room full of White guys.. no problem... room full of black guys.. OMG I"M SCARED.

I really don't understand it.

(News) media more than likely.
 
Which are often influenced quite a bit by our race.
Not really. Race is somewhat related to culture only when the culture came from a particular region populated by a single or dominant race. Plenty of cultures can be of multiple races. And even then, you shouldn't think you have more in common with white people. You have more in common with people of your culture. There are people of other races that share your culture or a culture similar to it.
 
"Racism is not merely a simplistic hatred. It is, more often, broad sympathy toward some and broader skepticism toward others."

I actually take it a step further; I don't think that this story should be understood to mean "X% of Americans are racist." I think it should be taken to mean that a majority of Americans hold prejudiced beliefs when it comes to race and that this can be used to explain other things - our tolerance for these facts:

"Recent data shows, though, that much of black progress is a myth. In many respects, African-Americans are doing no better than they were when Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated and uprisings swept inner cities across America. Nearly a quarter of African-Americans live below the poverty line today, approximately the same percentage as in 1968. The black child poverty rate is actually higher now than it was then. Unemployment rates in black communities rival those in Third World countries. And that's with affirmative action!

When we pull back the curtain and take a look at what our "colorblind" society creates without affirmative action, we see a familiar social, political, and economic structure--the structure of racial caste. The entrance into this new caste system can be found at the prison gate."​

[...]

Perhaps greater lies have been told in the past century, but they can be counted on one hand. Racial caste is alive and well in America.

Most people don't like it when I say this. It makes them angry. In the "era of colorblindness" there's a nearly fanatical desire to cling to the myth that we as a nation have "moved beyond" race. Here are a few facts that run counter to that triumphant racial narrative:

• There are more African-Americans under correctional control today--in prison or jail, on probation or parole--than were enslaved in 1850, a decade before the Civil War began.

• As of 2004, more African-American men were disenfranchised (due to felon disenfranchisement laws) than in 1870, the year the Fifteenth Amendment was ratified, prohibiting laws that explicitly deny the right to vote on the basis of race.

• A black child born today is less likely to be raised by both parents than a black child born during slavery. The recent disintegration of the African-American family is due in large part to the mass imprisonment of black fathers.

• If you take into account prisoners, a large majority of African-American men in some urban areas have been labeled felons for life. (In the Chicago area, the figure is nearly 80 percent.) These men are part of a growing undercaste--not class, caste--permanently relegated, by law, to a second-class status. They can be denied the right to vote, automatically excluded from juries, and legally discriminated against in employment, housing, access to education, and public benefits, much as their grandparents and great-grandparents were during the Jim Crow era.​

Black men are no more likely than white men to be involved in either the dealing or using of drugs, and yet they face the brunt of the damage of the War on Drugs. Does anyone really believe that this would be tolerated if they were white? If this is entirely about, say, socioeconomic class and race is just a red herring, why are poor whites not facing the same injustices that poor blacks face? Why do we have legal rules that structure our criminal justice system so that at every step exacerbate the problems of personal prejudice and institutional racism and guarantee that our criminal justice system is overwhelmingly filled with black and brown men? Why do we enforce our drug laws almost exclusively amongst black and brown men while knowing full well that white men are the majority of offenders?

Perhaps more to the point:

Economist Glenn Loury made this observation in his book The Anatomy of Racial Inequality. He noted that it is nearly impossible to imagine anything remotely similar to mass incarceration happening to young white men. Can we envision a system that would enforce drug laws almost exclusively among young white men and ignore drug crime among young black men? Can we imagine large majorities of young white men being rounded up for minor drug offenses, placed under the control of the criminal justice system, labeled felons, and then subjected to a lifetime of discrimination, scorn, and exclusion. Can we imagine this happening while most black men landed decent jobs or trotted off to college? No, we cannot. If such a thing occurred, "it would occasion a most profound reflection about what had gone wrong, not with THEM but with US." It would never be dismissed with the thought that white men were simply reaping what they had sown. The criminalization of white men would disturb us to the core. So the critical questions are: "What disturbs us? What is dissonant? What seems anomalous? What is contrary to expectation? Or more to the point: Whom do we care about?

If you follow the above link, you can find the paragraph quoted on page 200. It is followed by an examination of how the problem with drunk driving was handled in the 1980s the discrepancies between that actual public health crisis and the largely manufactured crisis of a drug epidemic are telling.
 
If you're going slow enough to think about it, you aren't doing the test properly; ideally you are supposed to do it on reaction without thinking about it. What you describe sounds as though you were going at a reasonably fast - but still deliberative - pace. There is no denying that it is a test of recognition; the issue is that people tend to find it easier to associate good things with white people and bad things with black people and more difficult to do the opposite. It's essentially "This is why the doll experiment is still true."

And how were your results wrong? If it is simply because they do not match your conscious beliefs, that's not indicative of a problem with the test.

I see the idea behind the implicit test, but you don't have to get results not matching your conscious beliefs to think there might be problems with the test. I just took it and got:
Your data suggest little to no difference in implicit preference between famous Black and White people.
but I still think there could be problems with the test. For example, first impressions are important and the test seemed to first train the test taker to associate good and white names. I'd like to see what the results would be for a randomized starting conditions instead compared to the result they are getting now.
 
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