Oh yeah, no doubt, that would explain Mitts popularity in the US. We do have trouble trying to fathom that from here.
United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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Oh yeah, no doubt, that would explain Mitts popularity in the US. We do have trouble trying to fathom that from here.
If the superior candidate loses, rioting is the only logical course of action...it's called standards.
polyh3dron
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And the Pakistanis that like Romney must not have gotten the memo that he is not only on the same page in terms of drone strikes but looks to be way way way more hawkish (read: W. Bush) when it comes to foreign policy.
By living in the United States, you necessarily benefit from the things other taxpayers paid for and therefore you need to pay your portion.
Karma Kramer
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Obama is just as much a hawk, at the least there isn't much difference policy wise between Obama and Bush. Because even if Bush could have been in office for another 4 years, there is no way he would have invaded another country and probably would have gotten ALOT more shit for NDAA, Drones, Torture, Gitmo, etc etc...
Squirrel Killer
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Why the hell are they dropping a piece on Monday asking you to vote by mail? Voter suppression or are they just so bad at getting out the absentee vote that they have no clue of the timelines involved?Well, I picked up the mail today, and was greeted with this. Keep in mind this is just today's:
Every single one of those says, right on the front, "Paid for by the Ohio Republican Party." There was one single piece that didn't:
Didn't the FBI say that after Obama was elected, the amount of death threats they'd received against the president skyrocketed by 400% or something ludicrous?
Strawman.
The question was is it ethical to forcibly take money from someone to pay for services of someone else?
And any good liberal decries the military industrial complex right?
Damn the man! Give him all your money!
Please show me these private routes that you use on Google Maps. kthx.
So, you think the recovery is sluggish, but you don't like the auto bailout? You realize what that would have done to our economy overall? Good lord...
Thats certainly one way to describe how taxes work, but still avoids the question. It also assumes forcibly taking my money is the only way to fund these "things" you speak of.
Gary Whitta
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That's how most right-wingers look at it I guess; you're taking money from ME to give to THEM. Another way to look at it is, everyone chips in so everyone can benefit.
Squirrel Killer
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If it wasn't for that old guy to his left (camera right) making weird faces, I would have teared up too.Dat speech on MSNBC just now.
I certainly know I don't want no commie firefighters; rather see my house burn down.
Very ethical, especially because you earned that money with the help of said government services. It's part of the social contract.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yes. This quiz is easy!
Elfforkusu
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"My house has never been robbed, why should I pay for the police?"
never had house catch fire, fire dept
never been shot at by an enemy, military
never driven cross country, interstates
never taken a drink of tap water, EPA
never gone to school, education
Some services are in the public good and essential to maintain a healthy population to achieve a functioning democracy, and to suggest they should not be supported financially is the very definition of foolishness.
You dont know that there are private roads built and maintained by communities? Start by learning a bit about this basic truth then we can discuss.
N Coward Parody
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From everything I've been reading, it seems like even if Obama ultimately wins with an EV count upwards of 300 it's still going to be like 3 or 4 am EST before its called. People should really prepare their expectations / nerves / sobriety for a late, late night. This will not be over as quickly as 2008.
I know how they feel. I'll be on edge even though I'm north of the border.
Seems unnecessary to level Guam or American Samoa, really.
Unknown One
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I'll believe that since during in inaugural speech he was heavily guarded by glass walls.
In this election alone there were some death threats. I think we had a thread on it.
Uh, the vast majority of roads are public. Good luck gettting anywhere on private roads.
Lol, this guy.
Gary Whitta
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Do you really think that communities, or even the private sector, could or would have built the interstate highway system? Some things only government can do. OMG COMMIE TALK.
I really would love to see a prototype nation set up by all these Randian whackjobs, it'd be a post-apocalyptic nightmare within a year.
Another vote for yes. Obviously, in many circumstances. So obviously that it strikes me as bizarre to pose the question without at least gesturing at an argument that it is almost always wrong.
By this logic no private service that you pay for to protect you in the event of emergency or crisis should exist.
The government doesnt pay for my security system.
It doesnt pay for my child's education for that matter. Privately educated and home schooled students tend to test better.
If I go to a bar and start a tab, can I accuse the bar tender of forcibly extracting $30 at the end of the night and refuse to pay my bill? You've benefited from things that cost money. You might mistakenly believe these things should not be provided by the government, but they currently are and have been for generations. So pay up.
Please state the circumstance in which it is ethical for you to take my money to pay for something for yourself, that you couldnt work just as hard to have for yourself.
HanShotFirst
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But what happens to people who can't afford healthcare?
Xplatformer
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In the United States? Pertaining to right or wrong in conduct?
Why yes sir, imo it is.
threetri333
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According to Nate Silver, Obama has 92% chance of winning the election?
EmCeeGramr
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yes, it's called taxation and the concept of government, we solved this little ethical conundrum thousands of years ago
rohlfinator
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You're always free to move to one of those other great countries that don't have taxes.
There are 4 million miles of public roads in the US. Do you think private roads make up anything greater than 0.1% of that?
http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_01_04.html
Funnily enough...The other day I was...
...shot at by an enemy resulting in a terrible house fire. I had to use gallons of water to quell the flames....using some stuff I learned at school I wrapped my dog in a wet rug and saved his life....only to discover my dog and persian rug were stolen in the chaos...hmmm.
Mackenzie 92
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anyone got a replay for the speech?
I drive them daily. Odds are, so do you.
Gary Whitta
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Who responds to your house when the security system sends out an alarm signal?
I hear Somalia is nice
You should pitch that. Maybe MSNBC is looking for Liberterian-dystopian scripted programming.
Wow. You sound like those neo-cons talking to war protestors in the Bush years.
Elfforkusu
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Obviously, if the private sector can do something better, they are free to do so. In this case, it's hired muscle that can blindly side with a client (VS upholding the law in both directions)
The US education system is a good example of what happens when you skimp on the dollars: underfunded, poor product.
One is the same as the other...look again.
It's ethical because everyone pays in and gets something out. You're not special. It's not all about you or me. It's about the entire country.
All while avoiding those pesky public roads, huh? You're such a maverick.
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