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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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Re-read, I said I appreciate his values. His values are pretty crystal clear.
Anticitizen One
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http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bqhY
There would be RIOTS
There would be RIOTS
Same here. Sign me the fuck up.
The only value he has that's crystal clear to me is that he values money above all else and will use any loophole to get there, and he clearly values the office of the presidency and getting there.
Other than that I really don't have a clue what the real Mitt values.
The only people even threatening riots are Obama supporters, so no.
Your consolation will be the Republicans still retaining control of the house, since a probability of Dem takeover is 10-20%.
BUT THIS IS AMERICA, WE'RE RIGHT ALWAYS.
For real though, you make a great point. I live in a predominately Romney heavy area. It's not a wealthy area, probably mostly lower middle and middle class. Some money as well. All the people that support Romney are the ones who can benefit most from him. It seems like the ones who support Obama tend to be a little smarter, better off people. That's just my personal observations from my town.
That would be one exciting night on NeoGaf. Probably the closest we could get to witnessing a meltdown yet still relief at the end.
Gary Whitta
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Yeah it's really amazing to me that anyone can talk about relating to Romney's values considering he's failed to hold one consistent position in his political career. Is there any major issue he hasn't totally flip-flopped on? I'm sure he's a nice guy at heart but as a politician he is a faceless worm, concerned only with what is expedient and advantageous to himself at any given point in time.
I'll say it again, he would be more disastrous than Bush, and I'm comparing him to a man who started a pointless war and crashed the economy.
I'll say it again, he would be more disastrous than Bush, and I'm comparing him to a man who started a pointless war and crashed the economy.
Because the Romney supporters are busy threatening armed insurrection.
Xplatformer
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I just found this out. Fuck Romney. If he becomes President, he has my support.
Before that moment. Fuck him.
Second Amendment solutions.. "watering the tree of liberty."
Already chippy up in here. Haha!
Unknown One
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Romney supporters have been threatening to kill Obama.
I'm not the only one heading to "election central" type parties tomorrow night right? Watching the local returns come in live with the various candidates in the room with their supporters is a bunch of fun (presidential race will be over before I get dinner, Alaska counts for nothing 
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Mackenzie 92
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The Frontline episode dealing with the lives of the two candidates put it nicely I think. They compared Romney's shifting ideologies to a business consultant who adapts a business for a particular market. A company can shift and change to meet demand without much issue. He tailors the product to the market as it stands right then, on that day.
That got me good there. So much fake trolling on GAF.
Gary Whitta
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Off the top of my head, affordable health care, repealed don't ask don't tell, saved the US auto industry, killed osama bin laden, ended war in Iraq, prevented total economic collapse. Not too bad really.
Elfforkusu
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Why not start a term early?
For me it's not that I'm super pro-bama this time, it's that it's completely impossible to vote for the modern GOP. I eagerly await the return of the 2 party system, but first the GOP must be reformed or destroyed.
corporations are people too
There is no reforming the current GOP, it's gone too far over the edge. Cut the good out and start again, leaving the crazies and loonies behind.
Why would you want Romney to turn the economy around when it's already steadily improving? There's nothing to turn around.
tsp_gatmog
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I will light my nuts on fire if either Obama or Mitt Romney wins.
How about them roads....
ill buy you a new sarcasm detector for christmas
There's also the being for gay marriage and being okay with abortion.
Elfforkusu
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Well, the media is complicit in making both sides seem like Team Evil by misinforming the public so hard that half the country thinks up is down and supply side economics works. Under that lens, it might make a little more sense.
There is almost no way for Romney to end up being anything other than a POTUS who tells lies and half truths himself, because he has spent so much time taking almost every possible position on every issue, whatever he were to settle on as POTUS would ultimately conflict with several of his previous campaign promises.
More to the point, go ahead and reward Romney for his mendacious campaign tactics by voting him into the presidency. Do you really think that will send the message that he should stop?
This is the other thing. The only people who like Romney are from America (and Pakistan). Basically every other country, especially European ones, seem to strongly favor Obama.
Don't freak out. No matter who wins we'll keep stripping ourselves of our freedoms and bombing sovereign countries creating new generations of terrorists. No worries!
No, from where most Australians are standing only the Republicans look like Team Evil.
Sign out the front of America... "New management but business as usual!"
I've been reading a little tonight, trying to come to grips with this election and specifically this whole poll aggregation thing that seems to be a hot topic this year... Basically, I don't really see the problem. In the end, Nate Silver is right no matter what. because he's not really making a prediction.
Most likely, there is no serious statistical problem with the state polls, and if there isn't, Obama will win.
But he allows for almost a 10% probability of an upset. So if you held this election 10 times, Obama would probably lose at least once according to his model. That's often enough to count as a genuine margin of uncertainty. People will obviously try to call him out and make out like he was wrong if Obama doesn't win, but all he's doing is crunching numbers, and his result can only be as good as the data, and he is saying that Obama might not win. He isn't saying he has a 100% chance. Polls are wrong sometimes. Every year there are always a few shocking or bizarre results where the polls missed it, sometimes by a lot. Some years it seems like the polls do better and sometimes they do worse.
The whole thing reminds me a lot of the Sabermetrics vs. Rule-of-thumb scouting thing in baseball.
Most likely, there is no serious statistical problem with the state polls, and if there isn't, Obama will win.
But he allows for almost a 10% probability of an upset. So if you held this election 10 times, Obama would probably lose at least once according to his model. That's often enough to count as a genuine margin of uncertainty. People will obviously try to call him out and make out like he was wrong if Obama doesn't win, but all he's doing is crunching numbers, and his result can only be as good as the data, and he is saying that Obama might not win. He isn't saying he has a 100% chance. Polls are wrong sometimes. Every year there are always a few shocking or bizarre results where the polls missed it, sometimes by a lot. Some years it seems like the polls do better and sometimes they do worse.
The whole thing reminds me a lot of the Sabermetrics vs. Rule-of-thumb scouting thing in baseball.
I actually find some things appealing in conservative policies. I thought that the Kelo v. New London decision was an atrocity. I like my gun collection. I think the idea that we can grow and grow and grow our economy without running into some sort of limit is very clearly mathematically ridiculous, and that we're facing a future of less - whether we like it or not.
But as long as the GOP continues to cater to the "the-Earth-is-6000-years-old"/"second-class-citizenship-for-faggots"/"personhood-rights-for-things-not-yet-born-or-naturalized" crazies, they are simply a non-starter for me.
Gary Whitta
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So now taxes for basic services are unethical? Fuck it, who needs a military while we're at it? That's the biggest federal program there is. Turn the whole thing over to Halliburton, according to Romney the private sector solution is always the best.
Unknown One
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or the public schools or public drinking water or etc.
Elfforkusu
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Right, but I'm suggesting that in the US people are sufficiently misinformed (particularly people old enough to rely on TV/newspaper for news, rather than the internet) that both sides look that way.
"throw them all out" is such a frustrating, and very common, sentiment.
At a high level, many conservative policies are ones I'm totally ok with. But the modern Republican party represents nothing in regards to policy, apart from pure fantasy made real.
He'll lose because people will not trust him anymore if he is off by a wide margin. Goodbye career.
Is it bad that I only view a few of those as pros? DADT I don't fully get the in's and outs of when it comes to what rights our men and women in the military per and post.. And the auto bailouts.... Ugh. OBL though was a highlight. Also, can any Obama supporter explain why we're still in Afghanistan when that was the war Obama justified to the American people back in 2008?
Dude Abides
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Well, do you know of any non-sovereign countries we could bomb, if that's your beef?
There are already privately built and maintained roads.
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