Fighting Games Weekly | December 10-16 | The roads are still safe from Justin Wong
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Sorcerer Supreme
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They look nothing alike for siblings.
KOF still has scenes for 98 and especially 02 in Japan. The Alpha scene was split hard between SFA2 and SFA3, but all of the Alpha games were deeply flawed in different ways- kinda like KOF95/96/97.
To have such a split, you need to have vastly differing revisions where there is enough of a debate over which is better, for multiple games to be played. If the games are similar, the latest version will be played, if there's a huge quality gap, the best version will be played.
I often wonder what would have happened if America during SF divekick edition had just rejected the game and kept with Super (which was much better in my eyes)
SolarPowered
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It has't tbh. The only time I ever see VH footage is from DCC and Savior is still the main game there. Savior is the overwhelming winner in terms of overall activity afaik.
Ragingnight
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wowwwwww fchamp accidently called rose "roach" rofl. Also bringing up sanford to nina and asking 21 question
Ahh, can't say I'm familiar at all with the scene, but it seems like whenever there's a tournament (beyond weeklies), there'll be Vampire Savior and Vampire Hunter.
Emperor Bohe
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I think I just chose the worst time to tune into FGTVLive
Stabby McSter
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QisTopTier
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I'm laughing mostly cause my imagination is horrible
biosnake20
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I'm pretty sure I chose the best time.
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Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
http://www.twitch.tv/sixfortyfive
Still running late night Marvel sets and will probably be doing so for at least another 4 hours.
Still running late night Marvel sets and will probably be doing so for at least another 4 hours.
The fuck?
90TilInfinity
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lol Christ almighty.
BeautifulMemory
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This. Chat is going nuts
Ragingnight
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wait Wolfkrone, and Kbrad complaining about their characters aren't good enough?
Parallax Scroll
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Nina vs Rose in marvel
WesternHeretic
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No just Wolfkrone. KBrad wants more people to join him in picking top tier.
Duxxy3
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Did wolf krone basically just say that viper isn't top tier???
She is still very solid, he just never shows up to any fucking tournaments to get better. Being an online warrior doesnt mean much.
QisTopTier
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All that salt
Ragingnight
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O so we have atleast one sane person.
Sorcerer Supreme
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American players blaming the tiers for their poor performance at SF25 is laughable.
Asia is just ahead of them in AE 2012.
Asia is just ahead of them in AE 2012.
Stabby McSter
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No, we all know it's all Madcatz's fault.
Duxxy3
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It's both.
Japan is ahead of them and the top American players are typically picking mid tier characters.
scytheavatar
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They have the rights to blame the tiers, but at the same time they should be blaming themselves too. Ricky and J Wong had been slipping and doing poorly in AE for a while already, it seems lots of people have figured out Rufus by now. Yet the two of them were complacent and didn't seem to care about their string of bad results.
Having said that much blame needs to be put on whomever that organized the brackets, he more or less ensured that all the American players would be going home early. In the first round you have Rufus against an Akuma player? Guile against an Adon? Viper against Fei Long?
Ragingnight
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Tiers aren't even that important in SF4. Its not like 3s or MK9. Nor is it like they chose garbage characters.
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Instead of "tiers", top players should be playing the character matchup. Who cares if you play a top tier character if its still an even or worse matchup.
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Instead of "tiers", top players should be playing the character matchup. Who cares if you play a top tier character if its still an even or worse matchup.
WesternHeretic
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Ricky bitches way too much but he did have to against Cammy followed by Gief.
Justin had Akuma then Seth. You couldn't script this shit... I think they both rather played Daigo first round then have those match ups.
I totally get why they were salty, but I wouldn't have gone public with it.
LOL
Ricky knows how to play Chun and she wrecks Gief up. That match is hugely in her favour. Roundhouse can basically win the game for her.
WesternHeretic
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Did he use Chun at the SF25 though? The last time I saw him use Chun was 2010.
Osu 16 Bit
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Professor Beef
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Has Ricky even been keeping up with Chun, though? I'm guessing that he felt his more experienced Rufus would've had a better shot than his less experienced Chun against one of the best Giefs in the US.
He didn't, but with all this talk of tiers and counter picking, it seemed like the obvious move. Especially when it can be a tough match for Rufus. Chun can just brainlessly hit roundhouse and do pretty decent against gief
/chun player
Ragingnight
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I was under the impression that Jade, Sindel, Stryker, 4-arm girl (Can't remember name all of a sudden), Baraka and Kano were just complete garbage and couldn't compete against even the high tiers (not top tier).
I know the upper crust is more fair outside kabal but that still doesn't change the fact that tiers are more heavily weigh than SF4.
TheThunder
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Americans are really going with the whole "we lost to tiers", have fun with that.
After this event I gained more respect for Justin since he took his loses well (as far as I know) and of course Snakeyez who did it all with Gief, you know, a charater you can legetmtly get over with not Rufus or Viper who are pretty well rounded.
Ragingnight
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Justin said he is going to a more cheap character. I know he has a pocket adon (that he rarely uses in a tournament).
ghostface pizzakid
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lol fchamp turning off the stream
Emperor Bohe
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hoooly shit that afro insomniac stream monster fakeness was fucking hilarious
Osu 16 Bit
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Those characters are indeed shit but aren't Hakan and a few others in AE? I do not follow SF4 that seriously so I don't know.
But aside from that group of fish characters in MK9 it's based on matchups more than straight up tiers. Sub-Zero isn't a high tier character but the nature of the character gives him good MU against some of the top characters. So you take a skilled character specialist like Tom Brady and he can place top 8, as he did last weekend at NEC.
The tier list is very condensed in MK9, other than Kabal being the obvious #1. We can't even agree on a top 10 because a huge group of characters are all solid and have their own set of bad MU.
Ragingnight
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Hakan even being low tier isn't that bad. Infiltration showed how brutal hakan was in certain matchups. Just youtube "infiltration hakan" and you can see him beating solid players with Hakan. Hakan main weakness is the oil up gimmick. When oiled up he is godlike (like one of the best), when he isn't he is terrible.
in SF4, most people would agree that the majority of the cast are viable characters. Maybe not solo to win a tournament but enough to be viable choices in tournament matches. (IE Infiltration picking hakan against sim)
Ah. I know the TYM forums are always talking about tiers (its like a new topic every week), but I do know that there are is a consensus that kabal is broken as shit, and there are just total shit characters. I stop following MK9 when they started patching the shit out of the game. Everybody suddenly got armored moves, changes almost every few weeks and etc just made me lose interest in playing/following MK9.
TheThunder
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So is AE, that's why Cammy and Zangief can be worlds apart in the overall tier list, but their head to head match up is even.
This aftermath US salt is silly, especially since most of who did the talking lost in match ups that at their worst are even if not in favor of their characters.
scytheavatar
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That's the problem, when people talk about a character being viable they always refer to his ability to win a tournament without counterpicking. Counterpicking itself is something that doesn't always reward since every character has a learning curve and you could be digging a deeper hole for yourself by trying to counterpick.
And ATM Rufus more or less loses to almost every character that was present at the SF 25th tourney, he beats characters like Chun, Rose and Abel that more or less is irrelevant at the top level. For that reason he's defo can't be considered to be "viable".