PeterVenkman
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level 3 shuffle and streak , yes please and thank you. So satisfying. That makes the lack of other weapons with that ability all the more sad.
DmC Review Thread (Release Date - 1/15/13) Embargo is over!
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level 3 shuffle and streak , yes please and thank you. So satisfying. That makes the lack of other weapons with that ability all the more sad.
AlphaDragoon
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I liked Nero's character a lot, except for the lame Kyrie romance. I LOVED how Nero played, Exceed system was some badass shit.
Donte seems alright character-wise from what we've seen but not nearly as cool as Dante, Vergil or Nero. At least his version of Rebellion slaps the fuck out of the old skull sword visually, IMO. That thing looks awesome.
Donte seems alright character-wise from what we've seen but not nearly as cool as Dante, Vergil or Nero. At least his version of Rebellion slaps the fuck out of the old skull sword visually, IMO. That thing looks awesome.
One of the shoulder buttons was completely unmapped for Nero. They could've done a Bayonetta style weapon swap where one button swapped both your gun and sword. Having another weapon with it's own "Rev" system would've been godly.
The base skeleton structure for Nero was godly but there was no meat on those bones.
The base skeleton structure for Nero was godly but there was no meat on those bones.
This.
Anyway, Nero's character grew on me. The fact that he gave DMC4 Dante a series of mount punches was an easy way for him to work his way into my heart.
Cuz I mean...honestly. Whoever was the one who said that DMC4 Dante was basically a parody of himself in the last topic summed up my feelings on why I don't like that version anymore than I do DMC3's or DmC's.
robotzombie
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Did anyone realize or point out yet that the vergil DLC is not only a gamestop exclusive but you also have to be some kind of powerup rewards member? I'm officially giving up on getting it from there.
Anyone know of a current newegg preorder code I can use to preorder it from there instead?
Anyone know of a current newegg preorder code I can use to preorder it from there instead?
badcrumble
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Should have swapped him out to a gauntlet and a shotgun.
[ITA]Wolfgang
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There is no much more with respect to what already summarized, but still:
- Dante is well-characterized, you end up appreciating him even if you despise his look
- the battle system is slightly less deep, and it's easier to perform good-looking combos
- no hard-lock makes fights "chaotic"
- it's easier to achieve high style ranks
- good enemy variety forces to use different approaches in the fights (no details)
- boss fights even better than in previous iterations, very well characterized and integrated in the plot
- luckily there is no backtracking, instead environmental puzzles and collectibles are a good addition
- the problems of this game are mostly in the plot and the technical aspects, and may account for one point deduction in the evaluation:
1) the general atmosphere is not as "classy" as in the original saga (too many sexual references)
2) the plot is not very interesting, lacking good sense of progression
3) most characters are disappointing, both in design and personality
4) the game doesn't look as good as one would expect from AAA titles... Low-res textures, 30 fps on console, etc.
To sum up, in terms of battle system you can say it's a good DMC, but anyway worse than the others, exception made for DMC2.
The game fails surprisingly in the aspects which should be the main strengths of Ninja Theory.
There was like only one sexual reference in all of the 4 previous DMC games (the Lucifer Dante monologue). I think that's what the reviewer was talking about in there, the DMC games of old didn't resort to much foul language or sexual innuendo to tell the story or showcase their characters.
There has been no leak if that's what you are asking.
From a story and character standpoint, I can buy that easily. Outside of DMC1, it's not a strong suit for the series.
Gameplay? Hopefully what we haven't seen yet is way better than Poison and the floating head of Bob Barbas.
What's wrong with sexing things up? The characters already look like strippers all around.
Unspeakable Evil
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I kinda miss Nero's devil arm. The various animations were very enjoyable to look at. Especially when he activated his devil trigger. Good times. NT having NewDante's Rebellion grappling on to things and enemies is nice though.
I haven't been to a male stripper club to make the comparison so I can't really comment on this.
I don't have a problem with the occasional bad word or a sexual reference here and there especially in an M rated game but there's a point where it stops being funny and just becomes obnoxious. The "fuck you" cutscene is an example of this. I just don't see the appeal in it.
I guess we can't escape overly cheesy dialogue in the series no matter who is developing it
Amazing.
Well I disagree with all o' that, at least I'm not alone.
And no, the camera isn't as good as DmC's. Even you must realize what a bullshit statement that is. You have completely control of the camera in DmC, whereas in DMC3 it's extremely limited and slow. And changing targets in DMC3 is just terrible.I will agree with what you said before that DMC4 is indeed a superior game and that my nostalgia for DMC3 was clouding my opinions.
I honestly don't feel inclined to play more of DMC3. I had forgotten that along with styles you can only switch weapon sets between missions and on divinity statues. No thanks to all of that.
Some would argue that being restricted to one style and 4 weapons added more depth to the game as you had to be aware of enemy encounters and bosses in advance to take advantage of the custom set. It also added more individuality among players who favored certain sets over others and finally having a more limited set made you push yourself and your toolset to new heights and discover new tech in the game. People discovered new ways to beat certain enemies with unorthodox sets 5 years after the game was released because of this.
This is why my version of DMC5 would combine DMC3 and DMC4. You would have 4 weapons and 4 styles at once but you would also have up to 8 styles and 12 weapons at least to choose from so you can have the 4 and 4 set that you want. It gives you a large number of tools at once yet still preserves individuality.
DMC3 had that system because of RAM issues, it was already pushing hard with the on the fly weapon swap stuff that adding styles would've been too much. Of course the game was well balanced around this but that system would not work well in future DMC games.
This is why my version of DMC5 would combine DMC3 and DMC4. You would have 4 weapons and 4 styles at once but you would also have up to 8 styles and 12 weapons at least to choose from so you can have the 4 and 4 set that you want. It gives you a large number of tools at once yet still preserves individuality.
DMC3 had that system because of RAM issues, it was already pushing hard with the on the fly weapon swap stuff that adding styles would've been too much. Of course the game was well balanced around this but that system would not work well in future DMC games.
PeterVenkman
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Be still my heart.
Fimbulvetr
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@ the bold'd: I thought that was only with guns? Also, wouldn't that not matter with something like Stinger, where you have to move the left stick to use it anyway? Also, also, even if the former two weren't issues, isn't that still a bit unintuitive in the middle of fast combat melee?
Can you go into more detail, please?
I'd also think that the other aspect of the "DMC DNA" (re: the gothic horror) probably has a say in this.
The gothic-horror aspects really shown forth in DMC1, and to lesser extents in the sequels. For DmC, however, they made everything "dirtier", "edgier", and "grosser", which, in essence, took away some of the panache.
Dahbomb said:
This is the one thing I would actually disagree with you on.
One major thing I loved about Bayonetta was that you weren't really restricted within the confines of a certain "style". Once you unlocked all of the attachable accessories and weapons, you were pretty much free to make your own "style" and change things on the fly. If it weren't for the fact that the Circle button was reduced to a glorified "QTE Prompt" button, I could imagine them doing much more in this same vein.
But in any case, I think the whole "Style" thing has outlived its usefulness. My ideal would be to make like CvS2, where you have a certain set of "default" styles that you can use as an immediate template, but encourage the user to mix and match certain aspects so that they can effectively do their own thing (a la the EX1 and EX2 grooves that were fun to mess around with).
Since Neo_G worked on that game too, who knows? Maybe he would have eventually incorporated that into DMC sooner or later...
I'd argue they already lost some of that panache when they indulged in Dante's pizza eating, missle surfing, and penis poetry (lucifer) shtick in the last two games.
I don't mind what they're doing in DmC. I'm just hoping they can make it all work out in end. It is supposed to stand on its own and create an identity of its own.
I am pretty sure you cannot equip all the weapons at once in Bayonetta which is what I am referring to. You can only have 4 at a time. In DmC and DMC4 all of your tools are at your disposal ALL the time, you never have to go to a menu to switch out sets as compared to DMC3/DMC1.
Of course Bayonetta had a different system altogether, it didn't have Styles which was really a DMC3 invention. The whole game play tri-fecta of DMC has been to constantly change what the [], /\ and O button do in order to amplify the combat.
In an ideal system though the Styles would be incorporated into the battle system anyway like DmC attempts to do. Of course DmC doesn't get all of the style moves but it gets in a lot. I feel like going forward that's what DMC will eventually be but instead of a Dodge button there will be hopefully be lock on and "Parry" button to incorporate back in real RG mechanics. The D-pad would then have to control something else... hopefully a genuinely new game play idea for the franchise. My idea for this would be an evolution of the "Stand" system that Nero had with his Devil Trigger, where the D-Pad would control which Devil form helps you in combat.
The "Stand" system is what some fighting games use where familiars are summoned that perform moves with you like Jojo and P4A.
Of course Bayonetta had a different system altogether, it didn't have Styles which was really a DMC3 invention. The whole game play tri-fecta of DMC has been to constantly change what the [], /\ and O button do in order to amplify the combat.
In an ideal system though the Styles would be incorporated into the battle system anyway like DmC attempts to do. Of course DmC doesn't get all of the style moves but it gets in a lot. I feel like going forward that's what DMC will eventually be but instead of a Dodge button there will be hopefully be lock on and "Parry" button to incorporate back in real RG mechanics. The D-pad would then have to control something else... hopefully a genuinely new game play idea for the franchise. My idea for this would be an evolution of the "Stand" system that Nero had with his Devil Trigger, where the D-Pad would control which Devil form helps you in combat.
The "Stand" system is what some fighting games use where familiars are summoned that perform moves with you like Jojo and P4A.
JonathanPower
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Yes, the negative points about the art and narrative style are highly subjective. People who were expecting a DMC4 clone with updated visuals and maps will be disappointed, however, people who were expecting something really new and different will like the game.
And at least in this area, I agree with you.
My main qualm with the series as of late, at least character-wise, was that Dante's continued character changes comes off as so...focus-group manufactured. Capcom continually tries to change the character in order to make him seem "cool" to a potential audience, whereas DMC1 Dante was designed based on Kamiya's definition of "cool", with the added bonus of being based off the main character from Space Adventure Cobra (old manga from Shonen Jump). As sequels went on, the charm of that original character was taken away.
So, from DMC3's gun-bra wearing Ninja Turtle, to DMC4's self-parody in cowboy boots to now DmC's "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck You"...
...It's enough to make me glad that Capcom has largely left Viewtiful Joe alone. I can only imagine what they would be doing with THAT franchise, if they wanted to "change it to make it more appealing to today's gamers" and put it in the hands of a new team who don't get what made the first game so great.
JonathanPower
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I think that "classy" is a wrong term. He didn't say the previous games were more "classy", he said that the atmosphere in the previous DMC games was more "poetic". And this is absolutely true. However, this is what Capcom wanted, they wanted a new game with a different art style.
Yeah... I mean no.
JonathanPower
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Yes, you are right, he was talking about the story narration in Enslaved being more "poetic". But then again, this is a stylistic choice.
R
Retro_
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Lol
he's already on there
https://twitter.com/NeoGAFShitPosts/status/285622742605234179
edit: this account seems to miss sarcasm an awful lot tho
AcceptableGhost
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Oh wow I am on there. No regrets though, Journey is still a shit game.
sacrificing depth and precision to make a flatter learning curve for people who just want to see a lot of flashy shit doesn't seem better to me at all.
give me 'archaic' movement (what does that even mean?) over sloppy soft-lock anyday
[ITA]Wolfgang
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Yep, I've also read another Italian preview enthusiastic about one of the boss battles.
Talking about Vergil, I forgot to mention that the reviewer found his character out of place, too elegant with respect to the others, both in look and lexicon.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Huh? I don't think anybody was expecting the former after the intial reveal of the game.
Under an 8.5? Looks like I need to brush up on my soothsaying skills. Well, the US and UK sites will probably still fall into my prediction.
Looks like every boss is its own mission. But that's good I suppose, since the review says there aren't enough bosses in the game.
It's a terrible review, nothing convincing, and the fact that there's an interview immediately after is suspect. It focused way too much on dismissing the problems fans have with the new direction. The fact that it begins with "Read it and weep, haters" makes it difficult to take as serious or unbiased. The entire review is a self-important, condescending, told-you-so rant that completely ignores or dismisses any real issues.
"Play this if you liked Conan (2007)" lol. Spends an entire paragraph on hair.
It's a terrible review, nothing convincing, and the fact that there's an interview immediately after is suspect. It focused way too much on dismissing the problems fans have with the new direction. The fact that it begins with "Read it and weep, haters" makes it difficult to take as serious or unbiased. The entire review is a self-important, condescending, told-you-so rant that completely ignores or dismisses any real issues.
"Play this if you liked Conan (2007)" lol. Spends an entire paragraph on hair.
wow this is on another level of awful.
All you needed to say. Another review for the garbage can.
ViewtifulJC
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Video game journalism
PeterVenkman
Member
Of course not. What dinosaur still uses lock-on?
Excluding the lock-on with the firearms -- no, there's no traditional lock-on.
Didn't play the demo?
Absolutely awful. Which makes it amazing. Eidos makes Tomb Raider into I Spit on Your Grave lite, but NT goes all way. I can almost see them as Full Moon. Instead of being Kubrick or Cronenberg, they were always aiming to be Charles Band and I just misunderstood.
Riposte
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I wonder if I appear on that twitter. A brief skim didn't reveal anything.
lol, what? Did I miss something?
lol, what? Did I miss something?