2013 High-Res PC Screenshot Thread of Let the JPEG Die Already

Clarification: Downsampling is not and never was the issue. That is basically SSAA in one form or another and can be done in realtime given the right resolution. Post filtering/sharpening is what I was mentioning to be misleading is all.

If we name recommended screenshot/AA/Capture/hosting tools in the OP, then it's fair to ask for people to at least say if they've filtered/post-sharpened with/without downsampling, just like posting your AA method, etc.

All I'm saying is that many people come here looking at screens which may influence them to play/buy certain games to achieve said image quality. Them not being informed that what they are looking at isn't possible in real-time might be morally wrong.... it's the ultimate cock-bock move any respectable IQ-chasing PC gamer would like to be warned about.
 
Jibbed said:
Nobody cares what you're 'ok with'. Feel free to make the '2013 Un-altered PC Screenshot thread of what you can play at 60fps with some AA no extra filtering methods', but that's not what this thread is about.
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This should be the title of the thread.
 
Cuban Legend said:
All I'm saying is that many people come here looking at screens which may influence them to play/buy certain games to achieve said image quality. Them not being informed that what they are looking at isn't possible in real-time might be morally wrong.... it's the ultimate cock-bock move any respectable IQ-chasing PC gamer would like to be warned about.
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smh.. seriously?

It's a screenshot thread dude, who's arsed? People come in here to see all the pretty pictures. As long as the poster is being honest and informative about how they achieved IQ or specific effects, then I doubt anyone (except yourself) gives a fuck.
 
Dmax3901 said:
Any respectable IQ-chasing PC gamer shouldn't need to be warned.
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I agree with this, but some are less informed and it's much nicer to see "Downsampled from..." and be able to go, "Hmm, let me google that."

I usually try and make sure I let people know if I DS and consider it proper etiquette. I thought this issue was sorted out in the 2012 thread...

As a side note. It doesn't matter to me whether someone uses a "Pure" Downsampling method over another, I come in this thread to see Disney-Pixar level IQ and I will kick and scream at anyone who tries to take that away because it's impractical or because lesser minds will be swayed by the almighty gods of the "2013 High-Res PC Screenshot Thread of Let the JPEG Die Already".

I want to see lines so smooth, they'll make my eyes get papercuts. Screw playability and thank god for this thread and it's major posters.
 
MrRoderick said:
These look excellent. What sorta sweetfx'ing?
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Thanks, i've tried to remove yellow filter with SweetFX from various settings i have seen before i give ENB a shot because i could use SGSSAA.But i found out that if i use ENB with the SweetFX settings it looks much better with more effects, more colourful in my opinion but i cannot use SGSSAA.It is mostly tonemap(defog+fogcolor) ,vibrance,dither,liftgama gain
Performance wise i used downsampling for the sake of the screenshot only as you will need a powerfull gpu for this, so i play it in 1080p.
 
Cuban Legend said:
I'm ok with this. Photoshop is fine for downsampling but all these other filtering methods can remove what is essentially what allows the PC gamer eye to see how well aliasing might look for us on our screen, so if it's been all 'filtered' away dishonestly then I'd say it's not fair for those trying to emulate IQ and especially those trying to emulate AA settings, which are a big part of all this thread.
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Here's the thing NOT EVERYONE IS USING PHOTOSHOP. There are a few people in here using Zone Photo Editor which has a supersampling resize method which is far above Photoshop's bicubic. If that person also had lumasharpening when he took the screenshot then yes after s/he downsamples it's going to look ridiculous on the IQ tip. So unless you're going to front the bill for everyone to have PS so they can all downsample using the same method you're complaining honestly amounts to very little in the grand scheme of things.

There is ALOT of overlap between screenshot and artshots regardless what argument people try to present to suggest otherwise. Look at how many people in this thread use unplayable camera angles to capture an artist shot, look how many people completely remove their hud by way of modding files or methods Half of the angles people take shots at aren't even playable, but again they do because they want to show off the game. I personally can't play Tera at all without a HUD and with the camera 2 secs from my character's face. If this was really mean to be the screenshot thread of "what exactly the game looks like when you're playing." Then most of the time HUD would be a requirement, and anyone who uses free cam would not be able to post here...that's a shitload of shots we're removing.

As for not being fair, regardless of methods achieved it's not going to be fair to someone in this thread. Great example is any shot by Dennis, dude renders at like 4K and downscales like crazy. I can't reproduce his shots even if I wanted to I have one lowly 670GTX, he has two 680GTX, I'm not complaining about such nor should anyone else. Vast majority of people come in here to look at pretty pictures not sit and complain about sharpening. Any questions asked have always been responded to by the members in the thread. That's one of this thread's strengths is that your question will get answered. What compatibility bit are you using? There was a great suggestion that in the title of the post add the compability bit and what else they're doing in their screenshot, that's good enough anything else is extra. I personally come in here to see pristine IQ, I don't want to see your jaggies even if you're getting 200fps, I don't want to see your lack of AF, I don't want to see your 1024x768 shots. Make another thread for the "peasant" shots called "2013 PC Screenshot Thread of Average Quality But Playable Settings." Then we can have all spectrums covered.

1. Low Settings Thread
2. Peasant Settings Thread
3. High Res Thread.

This has never been a major issue, let's not try to make it one, it ruins an otherwise good thread with utterly pointless crap. I suddenly understand Evilore's mindset when he made that new sticky about whining and metathreads
 
Now let's get back to posting our ridiculously high resolution sub-20 fps shots!

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Angelus Errare said:
Remember back when we use to post screenshots? Those were wonderful times, now we bitch about people using large PNGs when last year we bitched people DIDN'T use PNGs. Now we're complaining about the downscaling methods people use and question if some are using sharpening/lumasharpening? If someone wants to play Swords and Tits with lumasharpening cranked up, who cares? We bitch when people's shots don't align with our own definition of "great looking" and now we complain some shots look TOO good.
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Woah woah woah. Hold up a second.

Where is this Swords and Tits game? I couldn't find it anywhere.
 
I have never posted a screenshot on this thread however I usually visit it too see how certain games look and I then try to match it using my PC. Thanks to the older thread I discovered all kinds of nice things like SweetFX, SMAA, SSGSAA, Downsampling, Nvidia Inspector, MSI Afterburner, FRAPS and so on. It would be cool if people posted the specs, at least the graphics card so that we could compare shots to what we might achieve with our own computers, but I'm not fond of the idea to not be able to downsample shots in Photoshop or not being able to use SweetFX or ENB. That is what makes this thread really cool, it shows you what people can do with their PC's, good or bad is a matter of opinion. I love seeing Dennis shots at crazy resolutions, I love those weird Skyrim ENB shots or Max Payne 3 on Sweetfx, I love all that and in my opinion it should continue.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Here's the thing NOT EVERYONE IS USING PHOTOSHOP. There are a few people in here using Zone Photo Editor which has a supersampling resize method which is far above Photoshop's bicubic. If that person also had lumasharpening when he took the screenshot then yes after s/he downsamples it's going to look ridiculous on the IQ tip. So unless you're going to front the bill for everyone to have PS so they can all downsample using the same method you're complaining honestly amounts to very little in the grand scheme of things.

There is ALOT of overlap between screenshot and artshots regardless what argument people try to present to suggest otherwise. Look at how many people in this thread use unplayable camera angles to capture an artist shot, look how many people completely remove their hud by way of modding files or methods Half of the angles people take shots at aren't even playable, but again they do because they want to show off the game. I personally can't play Tera at all without a HUD and with the camera 2 secs from my character's face. If this was really mean to be the screenshot thread of "what exactly the game looks like when you're playing." Then most of the time HUD would be a requirement, and anyone who uses free cam would not be able to post here...that's a shitload of shots we're removing.

As for not being fair, regardless of methods achieved it's not going to be fair to someone in this thread. Great example is any shot by Dennis, dude renders at like 4K and downscales like crazy. I can't reproduce his shots even if I wanted to I have one lowly 670GTX, he has two 680GTX, I'm not complaining about such nor should anyone else. Vast majority of people come in here to look at pretty pictures not sit and complain about sharpening. Any questions asked have always been responded to by the members in the thread. That's one of this thread's strengths is that your question will get answered. What compatibility bit are you using? There was a great suggestion that in the title of the post add the compability bit and what else they're doing in their screenshot, that's good enough anything else is extra. I personally come in here to see pristine IQ, I don't want to see your jaggies even if you're getting 200fps, I don't want to see your lack of AF, I don't want to see your 1024x768 shots. Make another thread for the "peasant" shots called "2013 PC Screenshot Thread of Average Quality But Playable Settings." Then we can have all spectrums covered.

1. Low Settings Thread
2. Peasant Settings Thread
3. High Res Thread.

This has never been a major issue, let's not try to make it one, it ruins an otherwise good thread with utterly pointless crap. I suddenly understand Evilore's mindset when he made that new sticky about whining and metathreads
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Everything you mentioned regarding the overlap between artshots and screenshots are things that can be done ingame and in real-time. All are things I have no problem with, things which I encourage people to share. For example, if it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't have know many games could have AA/ENB/SweetFX injected, huds removed, or free camera mods for me to enjoy on my own rig in realtime. (Deus Ex free from piss-filter is always a relief)

I'm just encouraging those who do post a shot that has been filtered beyond reasonable downsampling to let it be known just as "honestly" as they report the "2,4,_Kres" they rendered at or what "massive amounts of AA" they used before "downsampling". It wastes no time to type it, and is just a bit more honesty at work for the benefit of others.

-Sharing realtime PC IQ possibilities is what this thread is all about, and please, continue to do so fellow PC bros.
EDIT:-And if anyone still doesn't agree with my thoughts, please feel free to forget about my post and go about your business, I hate posting in this thread without a screenshot to share , and I'd rather not encourage it either.
 
GoncaloCCastro said:
I have never posted a screenshot on this thread however I usually visit it too see how certain games look and I then try to match it using my PC. Thanks to the older thread I discovered all kinds of nice things like SweetFX, SMAA, SSGSAA, Downsampling, Nvidia Inspector, MSI Afterburner, FRAPS and so on. It would be cool if people posted the specs, at least the graphics card so that we could compare shots to what we might achieve with our own computers, but I'm not fond of the idea to not be able to downsample shots in Photoshop or not being able to use SweetFX or ENB. That is what makes this thread really cool, it shows you what people can do with their PC's, good or bad is a matter of opinion. I love seeing Dennis shots at crazy resolutions, I love those weird Skyrim ENB shots or Max Payne 3 on Sweetfx, I love all that and in my opinion it should continue.
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I don't think anyone is talking of not using SFX or ENB, just stuff post-screenshot effects and colour adjustment as in, when resizing to account for downsampling etc. Honestly, I'm just happy if someone does something similar to what I do in this post, and normally people are more than accommodating and will post things like specific settings or even ini files. I usually try to get good settings myself first, though. It took me damn near a few hours to get the colours right (even then, still not perfect) in RRU.
 
Shaneus said:
I don't think anyone is talking of not using SFX or ENB, just stuff post-screenshot effects and colour adjustment as in, when resizing to account for downsampling etc. Honestly, I'm just happy if someone does something similar to what I do in this post, and normally people are more than accommodating and will post things like specific settings or even ini files. I usually try to get good settings myself first, though. It took me damn near a few hours to get the colours right (even then, still not perfect) in RRU.
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That makes sense, if people are going to adjust setting like color, brightness, contrast, etc, they should tell that in the post, but even if they don't that's fine by me.
 
re: starting an image quality police - after you get people picking apart the sharpness of shots etc, you start descending the slippery slope of forcing people to prove their settings when they shouldn't have to, or else you get accusations of the game having an unplayable framerate. Some games are naturally very sharp when downsampled, and GRID for example runs at 60fps even with downsampling and heaps of AA applied..
 
Stein3x said:
Thanks, i've tried to remove yellow filter with SweetFX from various settings i have seen before i give ENB a shot because i could use SGSSAA.But i found out that if i use ENB with the SweetFX settings it looks much better with more effects, more colourful in my opinion but i cannot use SGSSAA.It is mostly tonemap(defog+fogcolor) ,vibrance,dither,liftgama gain
Performance wise i used downsampling for the sake of the screenshot only as you will need a powerfull gpu for this, so i play it in 1080p.
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Is the ENB mostly a color mod as well, or does it add DOF shaders and stuff a la Skyrim? I plan to reinstall this soon so.. yknow.
 
I am thinking we should qualitify in posts what the real time rendering performance is of these shots we are taking. 30fps, 60fps flat etc...
 
MrRoderick said:
Is the ENB mostly a color mod as well, or does it add DOF shaders and stuff a la Skyrim? I plan to reinstall this soon so.. yknow.
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It adds DOF,HDR,Bloom,Shadows,color correction etc same as Skyrim.For Deus ex is a one way to get rid the yellow filter plus add SSAO,reflections in DX9 only.But in addition you can use sweetFX with ENB and enhance even more
 
Zyrusticae said:
Man, what? This thread has way too much text on it. Time for more shots!

(4x SGSSAA w/ driver AO and some SweetFX)
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God dayumn I want this look in guild wars! Its so pleasing I'm tempted to play purely by the graphics. But Guild Wars is the first MMO I've played anyway... and I'm all invested in it now... so.. wah.
These shots are so nice!
Actually, were you the one getting success with AO in gw2?
 
Angelus Errare said:
Here's the thing NOT EVERYONE IS USING PHOTOSHOP. There are a few people in here using Zone Photo Editor which has a supersampling resize method which is far above Photoshop's bicubic. If that person also had lumasharpening when he took the screenshot then yes after s/he downsamples it's going to look ridiculous on the IQ tip. So unless you're going to front the bill for everyone to have PS so they can all downsample using the same method you're complaining honestly amounts to very little in the grand scheme of things.
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Adobe already did that for you CS2 is free to download ;)
 
Cuban Legend said:
Them not being informed that what they are looking at isn't possible in real-time might be morally wrong.
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This is a screenshot thread, as others have pointed out. I understand your point, but this is the same thing as the "game art" threads on the Crysis forums and such -- noone seriously expects to see the games with this IQ at playable framerates without a beast machine at a minimum.
 
Considering everyone has access to a resize, and the nature of resizing in itself, that should be fine. I can understand thinking that adding an unsharp mask pass or a slight gaussian blur pass, or doing color grading of any sort is non-kosher. But shit, its not like we're going to post full res 4k shots on the thread, so if they're going to be downscaled, why not do it nicely? In fact, depending on your methodology, you may incur a slightly worse image rather than a slightly better.

anywho:

Bad screen, but I think it's funny

Assassin's Guild Wars 2

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Having not played TERA since open Beta, is there a way to disable the nameplates and dmg numbers?

Also, This game runs so smoothly...

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This Resolution is still playable, and at 1080p with 4XSGSSAA, it still looks Pixar, but I can Downsample from 1620, so why not.

ALSO, Downsampling on my TV leaves a bit of blur. Is there a Monitor that someone can recommend for Downsampling? Preferably also able to do 120 Hertz and 3d. (Yes, I know 120 HZ and Downsampling don't really work at the same time)

With Taxes coming, I'd love an Upgrade.
 
Spazznid said:
This Resolution is still playable, and at 1080p with 4XSGSSAA, it still looks Pixar, but I can Downsample from 1620, so why not.

ALSO, Downsampling on my TV leaves a bit of blur. Is there a Monitor that someone can recommend for Downsampling? Preferably also able to do 120 Hertz and 3d. (Yes, I know 120 HZ and Downsampling don't really work at the same time)

With Taxes coming, I'd love an Upgrade.
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Thanks so much for giving info about you FPS as I requested. :D Internet high five!

IMO, I am a little down on the Downsampling stuff to be honest. I dislike having to run at 60hz when I could instead be at 120hz.
I wish games had an internal downsampler like durante souls or Planetside 2.

IMO, any of the Asus series montors 3dvision monitors are pretty good.
 
Dictator93 said:
haha. I was just asking for an FPS reading! Not necessary at all :D

Also... your dota 2 is god damn amazing looking.
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I'm just faffing about, didn't mean anyone in particular but rather thread in general. I think the 2012-thread worked great, most people adhered to the rules and if anyone ever needed to know anything about someone's particular setup people were always willing to comply and help each other out. If I could chose I'd have people post extraneous settings/tweaks in the title-header, like if you're using external AA or other clandestine tweaks.


And thanks :)!
 
Gez said:
I have to ask but can a plastic bottle tapped on a handgun act as a silencer lol?
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Not the way it's shown in the game, no. And even if it was done right it wouldn't last past the first shot. Most videos online show it being used on .22LR which are already very quiet.
It's a gimmick that doesn't go anywhere in that mission, either. So I assume the stealth component it was supposed to support got cut.
 
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