BruiserBear
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But even then, there are now options like HughesNet, so people without wired access to the internet can still get decent dish internet. So people who have the desire to get broadband, can pretty much get it now.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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But even then, there are now options like HughesNet, so people without wired access to the internet can still get decent dish internet. So people who have the desire to get broadband, can pretty much get it now.
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Edge is going to be eating some major crow when the dust settles, me thinks.
"Always Online" aka standby mode that can, but doesn't have to be, on at all times
"No Used Games" aka system has anti-used tech, but not globally enforced to totally lock out used sales
"Kinect Built-in" aka voice recognition built-in, but Kinect itself not in base SKU
"Always Online" aka standby mode that can, but doesn't have to be, on at all times
"No Used Games" aka system has anti-used tech, but not globally enforced to totally lock out used sales
"Kinect Built-in" aka voice recognition built-in, but Kinect itself not in base SKU
*crosses fingers*
Always online is a major turnoff for me. I might as well get a gaming pc if Microsoft goes through with this.
Kinect has to be bundled. There's no way it won't be.
Different SKUs, they will charge more for the bundled version, and less for the 'budget' version.
Interrobang
Member
This might be my junior showing, but who is SuperDaE?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Guy who was trying to sell an alpha devkit on Ebay.
BruiserBear
Banned
Even if the console didn't have to be always online, and instead tied your games to the console/account in such a way that used games were eliminated, I don't think that would suddenly make a lot of people say "Oh, that's just fine".
I'm going to be very surprised if Kinect is bundled with every console. I still think the vast majority of people won't bother with it, and it would be a waste of money, unless some of the functionality was literally built right into the console itself, and the camera was significantly smaller.
Davey Cakes
Member
In never plan on using a Kinect myself, and don't really appreciate the cost being built into the Durango's overall price.
That said, maybe it's actually smart. Microsoft could be trying to standardize it as a major part of system interaction, similar to what Nintendo did with the Wii remote. Integrated with every console is better than sold as a separate peripheral.
Interrobang
Member
I knew his name sounded familiar. I don't know why people are using his tweets as semi-proof to disprove the rumor though. Just seems like some guy, or a games writer at most.
Didn't Apple patent technology a year back or so for a half-size headphone jack?
Oh, they did. .
And the iphone 5 didn't include this because Apple just patents stuff preemptively to prevent other companies coming out with it, and because patenting is almost free and you might use it later.
Sony is probably the same way. Your R&D department researches novel ideas, than patents them, and maybe years later uses them.
Microsoft has a ton of patents on a .NET microkernel OS, and even has one in R&D, so that they can play with it. They are not expected to move to a .NET microkernel OS any time soon.
I suspect Sony is just patenting preemptively what the R&D department comes up with, rather than actually planning to include this feature.
Officerrob
Banned
He's a little more than just some guy, but nobody really knows how much. Last month he also provided Kotaku with more than 90 PDF's pertaining to Orbis:
http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-plays...ncy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far
How many random guys can get their hands on secret Sony documents and a Durango dev kit a year before the system is supposed to be out? For all we know he might be full of shit in this case, but he definitely has some kind of connections.
Interrobang
Member
Ah, didn't know he was behind the Orbis PDFs. Thought he just had a dev kit. Thanks for clearing that up, man.
I just realized a potential reason as to why MS wants to have an always online console. It may not have to do with DRM as much as it would have to do with a subscription based model.
Imagine a pay to own or pure subscription based model is employed for XB3 whose street price is around $400. To people who wish to subscribe, the price is lowered to $100 with 2 or 3 years deals (much like it is with phone). Now that the each subscriber is always obligated to be online, anyone who reneges on the deal can, as a final reprimand, have his/her console be remotely banned unless payment is made with fine etc.
In that regard, people who pay the full price upfront may not be bound to the same condition.
Imagine a pay to own or pure subscription based model is employed for XB3 whose street price is around $400. To people who wish to subscribe, the price is lowered to $100 with 2 or 3 years deals (much like it is with phone). Now that the each subscriber is always obligated to be online, anyone who reneges on the deal can, as a final reprimand, have his/her console be remotely banned unless payment is made with fine etc.
In that regard, people who pay the full price upfront may not be bound to the same condition.
Oh shit. I assumed the guy was trolling, but this means he has some serious contacts.
If this meant reasonable (£10-20) prices and regular sales I'd be on board as at least the money goes to developers and it might even increase sales as people take more chances.
However it'd probably mean £50 downloadable games that are followed up by £100 worth of DLC. So I'm out if this is true.
However it'd probably mean £50 downloadable games that are followed up by £100 worth of DLC. So I'm out if this is true.
I'm still thinking that always on is for the rumored DVR service.
What if EDGE's source mixed the top-set Xbox with Durango? I could se how a top-set box would demand always online and no possibility for second-hand games.
The top-set Xbox could also possible be 100% dependent on streaming content. It's no secret that the Xbox team snatched the OnLive staff.
The top-set Xbox could also possible be 100% dependent on streaming content. It's no secret that the Xbox team snatched the OnLive staff.
Could be. Or they could just be stretching that paywall arm even further hoping for more control over content you purchase. Or it could just be not true.
We won't know until MS gives us the goods with an announcement
Well the Verge report on the set top box report said it was all about streaming and casual games.
Windows experts are saying they are multiple Xbox skus coming this year. So who knows.
Clay Davis
Member
Don't know if they really know about that stuff but at least DaE has pretty good track record of delivering.
someone on twitter tweet this superdae arse and ask him where the kotaku article is about the newer durango specs.
lying pos. really boils the blood when people pretend they have insider knowledge when they don't. what's the damn point? :/
AllBusinessJr
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Clay Davis
Member
until I see the kotaku article backing up his claims. yeah, he is.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
I'm surprised at the reactions to this.
I've been feeling that this was the trend for years. Combined with the fact that costs keep going up, and that a lot of games have to sell more and more, just to break even, it makes sense, that used games sales is hurting the current industry.
I think the problem is more that a lot of games aren't worth 60 dollars. That's the gist of it. A lot of first and third person action adventure and shooter games I've played on consoles this generations overstayed their welcome at 4-5 hours, and felt like they were stretched to 8-12 hour games to justify their purchase.
I would welcome, shorter games at lower prices. Lots of titles have some gimmicky thing, that is fun for a few hours, but they loose their appeal. This also goes for their stories and gameplay variety.
I've been feeling that this was the trend for years. Combined with the fact that costs keep going up, and that a lot of games have to sell more and more, just to break even, it makes sense, that used games sales is hurting the current industry.
I think the problem is more that a lot of games aren't worth 60 dollars. That's the gist of it. A lot of first and third person action adventure and shooter games I've played on consoles this generations overstayed their welcome at 4-5 hours, and felt like they were stretched to 8-12 hour games to justify their purchase.
I would welcome, shorter games at lower prices. Lots of titles have some gimmicky thing, that is fun for a few hours, but they loose their appeal. This also goes for their stories and gameplay variety.
Big Takeover
Member
It will be always online because of the features it reportedly has. Voice recognition, TV tuners, Skype, and who knows what else. The DRM part has been added by the doom and gloomers. Maybe there will be always online DRM, but I'm guessing probably not.
Insane Metal
Member
Yes.
Posted?
Enough with the teasing already!
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Insane Metal
Member
MTW is the guy who leaked some Halo 4 pics before anyone else.
The guy who leaked Halo 4 gameplay, it was very weird.
Four_Chamber
Member
This is why these rumors are so enjoyable. We still don't really know jack
Ninja Moomin
Banned
So he was the guy who filmed Halo 4 gameplay off a shitty tv in the middle of a barn? lol great
To be honest, it was pretty hilarious. It was obviously done on purpose for the hell of it.
Voice of Reason
Banned
"NOT TRUE BTW"
"CAN U STOP ASKING ME ABOUT NEXT GEN"
"CAN U STOP ASKING ME ABOUT NEXT GEN"
Fuck 'em....if and when this news is confirmed; I am going to do 2 things:
1) Refuse to ever buy it (my PC rig will get the cash instead of consoles)
2) I will pirate the shit out of every single XB360 I own - I have 5 consoles in my home now, and they will ALL get chipped and flashed and made ready to run copies and non-official code - and I will also pirate every game from my back log - I'll snap the discs that haven't yet been played but that I own in half and download illegal copies of them just because I can, and any game that I MIGHT have been tempted to buy in the console transition years will strictly come from the black market as well.
These money grubbing control freaks can suck my balls if they think for one minute that I have any intention of supporting ANY product that tells ME how I can CHOOSE to use it or place draconian restrictions on me as part of the deal for using said product. Its time these fuckers wake up and realize that the only thing that gives any of their product value is the desire of people to experience it. Start dictating how that can happen in such ham-fisted ways and its game over, pun intended.
I dare them to be this stupid.
1) Refuse to ever buy it (my PC rig will get the cash instead of consoles)
2) I will pirate the shit out of every single XB360 I own - I have 5 consoles in my home now, and they will ALL get chipped and flashed and made ready to run copies and non-official code - and I will also pirate every game from my back log - I'll snap the discs that haven't yet been played but that I own in half and download illegal copies of them just because I can, and any game that I MIGHT have been tempted to buy in the console transition years will strictly come from the black market as well.
These money grubbing control freaks can suck my balls if they think for one minute that I have any intention of supporting ANY product that tells ME how I can CHOOSE to use it or place draconian restrictions on me as part of the deal for using said product. Its time these fuckers wake up and realize that the only thing that gives any of their product value is the desire of people to experience it. Start dictating how that can happen in such ham-fisted ways and its game over, pun intended.
I dare them to be this stupid.
Elginer
Member
Wow.
LOL
The Grim Heaper
Member
Nice.
Glorified G
Member
And by the time this news is confirmed, the 360 market will be closed and your protest will not matter in the eyes of microsoft.
Also, your PC rig already does what Microsoft is threatening.
