I've already dropped EA like a bad habit because they decided it would be in their best interest to fuck up their NFL game after they got the license.
EA has no new Wii U games coming?
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I've already dropped EA like a bad habit because they decided it would be in their best interest to fuck up their NFL game after they got the license.
I'm not sure every third-party would think this. Say it maybe, but think it? Doubt it. That seems like it could be the case with successful ones, but what about the smaller ones that haven't had success? I doubt they don't have regrets on that front. Hell, even the big ones might regret leaving money on the table and not being able to properly capitalize on Wii's huge install base.This reading of history is so weird, because if you ask every third-party publisher "Hey what about your platform choices in the last 7-8 years", they'll say "We think we've basically did a pretty good job. I mean, nobody is perfect, but we're happy with the decisions we made. We're doing a lot of great stuff in mobile, in social, and we're really excited for next generation consoles."... and if you ask Nintendo, they'll say "We made mistakes by not securing third-party games, and we work constantly to try to enhance those relationships, we won't make the same mistake again".
So obviously the people you're ascribing feelings to don't have those feelings
And yes Nintendo says that, but do you think that when they're alone they don't curse at third parties for bad support?
I'm not saying anything extreme like "everyone would have been more successful betting on Wii", I just don't think things are that black and white.
The Madden series would have had problems early this gen even if they had competition.
They simply rushed things during the beginning of this gen. They should have just given HD ports of the PS2/Xbox versions back in 2006-2008 and then released a full (at the time) "next gen" Madden.
Their problems had nothing to do with them realizing that they didn't have any competition.
ebullientprism
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TAS
Member
My sentiments exactly. They put Madden 13 on the Wii U, so why would they not bring 14? Makes no sense.
It's a shame Junction Point didn't support Nintendo, maybe they wouldn't have had to shut down
lazer_bean
Member
i think EA wants to destroy Nintendo and then bring down the system
EA still hasn't released a "next gen" Madden. Football video games are pretty much the only major sports games that didn't get any progress (if anything, it regressed and that's 100% on EA).
Let's compare the NBA and NFL games, since EA fucked both of them up.
With the NBA, they had competition in NBA 2k. EA totally fucked things up with NBA Elite and consumers still had a choice (and the vast majority of them went with that choice).
With the NFL, EA fucked that up, but yet consumers (due to the stupid contract with the NFL, which I blame as well), didn't have a choice (like they did with the NBA games), so EA wasn't forced (and they probably wouldn't be able to, as seen with their NBA games) address the problems until the gen was pretty much over.
Sierra I do.
Psykotik
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EA illuminati!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjjunoZlnXU
http://youtu.be/SYm1wDh1ht0
and rockstar too! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjjunoZlnXU
http://youtu.be/SYm1wDh1ht0
and rockstar too! lol
BrokenEchelon
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Now that we know that third parties didn't get devkits until the middle of 2012 I can see one possible scenario:
EA started working on the first batch of ports for Nintendo as a sign of good faith while trying to negotiate the Origin-exclusivity deal.
During the development of these titles, the Origin-exclusivity deal fell through. This pissed off EA, but they weren't about to cut ties with a platform that would potentially have a profitable userbase in the future.
Instead, they devoted minimal resources to getting those ports done, either because they had to contractually, or because they had already invested so they may as well make some sort of a return on those titles.
Now they've decided that if "Nintendo didn't want our glorious Origin, we won't bother helping them grow the system's ecosystem with our titles, to make them sorry." So they're going to pull back until Nintendo's first party titles build the userbase for them and they'll get buddy buddy with them again.
This way, if the platform (by some off-chance) ends up being a complete failure compared to the new HD Twins, it won't burden EA at all, but if sales pickup (which they most likely will) then EA can jump back in while also teaching Nintendo a "lesson" about messing with EA.
EA started working on the first batch of ports for Nintendo as a sign of good faith while trying to negotiate the Origin-exclusivity deal.
During the development of these titles, the Origin-exclusivity deal fell through. This pissed off EA, but they weren't about to cut ties with a platform that would potentially have a profitable userbase in the future.
Instead, they devoted minimal resources to getting those ports done, either because they had to contractually, or because they had already invested so they may as well make some sort of a return on those titles.
Now they've decided that if "Nintendo didn't want our glorious Origin, we won't bother helping them grow the system's ecosystem with our titles, to make them sorry." So they're going to pull back until Nintendo's first party titles build the userbase for them and they'll get buddy buddy with them again.
This way, if the platform (by some off-chance) ends up being a complete failure compared to the new HD Twins, it won't burden EA at all, but if sales pickup (which they most likely will) then EA can jump back in while also teaching Nintendo a "lesson" about messing with EA.
cyberheater
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In the years to come we will look back at the lack of 3rd party and the slow drip drip of Nintendo first party titles and wonder why the WiiU was allowed to die.
boyshine
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As I said before, there's one scenario that could prevent it. Madden 13 on Wii U didn't use the new Infinity Engine. I think the negative reaction from doing another Madden 12-based Wii U version is something EA would want to avoid, and if there's no push internally to port Infinity Engine, then Madden 14 won't happen. Just my guess, anyway.
nephilimdj
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Or they have seen how Ubisoft have lost so much money on wii (outside of just dance) and learnt from it.
Actually kind of crazy I check this, ubisoft released 98 games for wii >.>
http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Search.aspx?plTag=wii
I disagree. Even though Madden 13 isn't perfect, it does MANY things better than any last gen Madden.
EA's current gen NBA games were much worse than Madden this gen (imo) and many people seem to agree with that.
On top of that, EA probably couldn't address the problems of Madden early on because they were required by the NFL to release a new game every year regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to have more time to fix things but couldn't since they were the only ones making a NFL game; therefore causing them to release the game on time to not impact the relationship they have with the NFL.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
So, this seems likely if all we have to go on is what we know currently. Sadly, so much of this is based on speculation. Regardless, you can't look at the series of events that lead to this day and assume that nothing happened between the two companies that might have caused this.
Best second post of all time?
I'd agree with that if the games actually showed some amount of progress. Madden 06 to Madden 08 (three years), the games were pretty much unplayable.
The other issue I have with this is that none of what happened with Madden happened to NCAA. That series (starting with NCAA 07), unlike Madden, made steady progress to the point where last year's version was a great football game (unlike Madden, which was OK). Also, like with NFL, EA is the only company making NCAA football games.
It's almost like Tiburon put the lead team on NCAA and the B team on Madden, which is probably why they had to replace the Madden team for Madden 2009.
Look, the fact remains that Madden's issues this gen were not caused by the exclusive license, it was caused be EA fucking things up. What the license did however was shield them from the ramifications of those fuck ups, as opposed to what happened with their NBA game where there was no license to protect them.
Heh, that's why it matters.
Not true. It was popular on the SNES though the Genesis was known as the "sports system" at the time.
N64 Madden's did decent but they had many cutbacks due to the system using cartridges. The first madden game on the system was "Madden NFL 64" in 1998 I believe; it was a special version of the game made just for the N64. After that, they gave the N64 the regular yearly Maddens.
Gamecube didn't do well in terms of third party sales period because the system didn't sell well. Wii Maddens did decent early on but then dropped rapidly as the 360/PS3 versions got better.
Well Wii was succesful without a madden title really selling anything significant. (i think ironically the first one is considered to be the best one)
lets say never popular on nintendo system after the N64
anyways i dont think its a big loss. People that play madden are typically going to consider Nintendo as their third option.
efyu_lemonardo
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Ubisoft lost money (globally) on Wii?
I'll believe some projects didn't do well and may have lost money, but you're saying anything that wasn't Just Dance was a loss?
Even all those Raving Rabbid games etc? Stuff that had tons of sequels like all the Fitness games, Petz games, Imagine games, Shaun White (which got 2 sequels on Wii!) and all the other stuff that they just published like No More Heroes and Dawn of Discovery?
I call BS.
Or they have seen how Activision have lost so much money on Xbox360 (outside of Call of Duty) and learned from it.
See how that works?
Just Dance was and is Ubi's best selling franchise, besting even Assassin's Creed. And it's built its audience on Wii. Rather convenient to just brush it under the rug for the sake of your argument here.
I disagree. NCAA did have problems early on too, though not as many as Madden.
NCAA Football 11 was a great game but NCAA 12 was a mess. Had so many issues with "psychic DBs" that it pretty much made the game unplayable for me. NCAA 13 was an improvement but wasn't a big improvement. It felt more like an update.
Yeah, they did replace & move many people back in 2009-2010 to work on Madden.
And yeah, (like I said) I pretty much agree with that. They rushed things since they probably weren't expecting the 360 to come out so soon and they wanted to have a Madden game be a launch title.
If they would have skipped making Madden 06 for Xbox 360, the series probably would have been in a much better shape during the beginning of the gen.
The license did help in that sense since again, they were the only ones making an NFL game. At the same time though, EA's NBA games were never ever to the same level as Madden in terms of popularity. I just simply think/feel that Madden wouldn't have gone through what EA's NBAs games went through even if they had competition.
Yeah why try to grow and diversify your user base? Lets scoff on this money and instead be content with the same games in HD! Completely myopic and I guarantee you that Nintendo doesn't think this way.
You are right, except .. EA is only second in being the TOTAL JACKASS OF PUBLISHERS
First being Actikotick
Nevertheless it's a bit staggering that EA hasn't announced a single Wii U game except for Most Wanted.
But I guess the thing is that all games currently in development have moved that far that it would simply be a waste of time to port them over and ship them once again 6-8 months later.
The announcements taken this year should give us a pretty good indication of where EA is headed concerning the Wii U.
Since Ubisoft has its own app on Wii U, surely EA could've done the same with Origin?
Anyway I think I'll wait for that 3rd party-focused Nintendo Direct before I form any opinions on all this stuff. Although I'm not really expecting anything from EA.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Yeah, but it's also highly questionable as to whether Madden was better than NFL 2K when they got the license too. I'll always hate that the NFL did that. I really have to question if it was in their financial best interest long term.
Fox Mulder
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I don't think Madden is anywhere near as popular now as it was last gen either. It's amazing how EA fucked up their bread and butter sports lineup this gen, FIFA is their only bright spot really.
The NFL doesn't care, they went with similar deals in many areas besides videogames.
Baconsammy
Banned
What region has the most consoles sold in it? Yep. That's why it's important.
It's true that it isn't as popular as it was last gen, but Madden is still very very popular in NA.
jamesinclair
Banned
Mario football would outsell Madden
Saint Gregory
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Maybe, but not with the same audience that buys Madden. Why not have both?
Has Mario Strikers outsold FIFA?
If EA won't even give Wii U the Sports line, it is a concerning state of affairs. Hopefully they just will announce it later.
Are you kidding?
How did Blitz the league sell?
Or the 2k Legends football?
Or even backyard football?
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Mario franchises have been badly milked already. This would tire the franchise even further. It would be a better idea for Nintendo to actually invest in the Madden crowd rather than give even more space for the "Nintendo is only for Nintendo games" crowd.
Saint Gregory
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This always sounds like sour grapes but it's really hard to disagree. I don't understand what's going on with EA's sports development teams anymore but it's been forever since I really enjoyed Madden.
Earlier in the gen they seemed to be making a lot of quality gaming experiences but the latter helf of the gen for them has pretty much been copy/paste features from previous games, whether those features are good or not.
jamesinclair
Banned
Im sorry, did any of those games star Nintendo characters?
Call is "Super Smash Football Melee". Have jigglypuff be the ball.
5 million sales.
On the Wii? Absolutely.
Mmmm. Then again, those games didn't represent the actual FIFA experience. I'd say Gamecube sales would be a better measure, but Strikers was part of a bundle at some point...
TwiztidElf
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Seems like an appropriate time to bump this thread eh? In light of today's news?
EA not making WiiU games because WiiU games can be on-sold?
EA not making WiiU games because WiiU games can be on-sold?
shinra-bansho
Member
The second hand market isn't preventing Madden 25 from gracing the PS3 and 360.
They simply do not see it as a good investment.
timetokill
Banned
Honestly I would absolutely love a Mario Football game. I love Mario Soccer, I'd love to see the approach applied to football.
But it's not the same audience. I stopped playing Madden as it became more sim-like. Loved it on SNES/Genesis for example. Same with the NHL games.
I just want my sports games to be somewhat arcadey.
But it's not the same audience. I stopped playing Madden as it became more sim-like. Loved it on SNES/Genesis for example. Same with the NHL games.
I just want my sports games to be somewhat arcadey.
Zoramon089
Banned
What games did they release on the Wii that weren't terrible? NMH, Red Steel 2, Rayman Origins, Splinter Cell
A and...uhh?