Words mean things but it is the connotations which provide the actual message of the term, "no homo."
At any rate it's a pretty safe bet there are insecurities at play. But that wouldn't be inherent to the term.
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Words mean things but it is the connotations which provide the actual message of the term, "no homo."
At any rate it's a pretty safe bet there are insecurities at play. But that wouldn't be inherent to the term.
Jest Chillin
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Even in your attempt to define it as inoffensive, it remains offensive. By your own definition it's the same as saying "I'm not gay but..." or "It's not gay..."
"I'm not gay but I love sausage."
"Blow into your instrument to warm it up. It's not gay"
Not only are those phrases not needed in the least but they still carry an air of insecurity and fear of the speakers sexuality being questioned.
ElectricBlue187
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I think it just means "I'm not a homosexual so me giving a guy a heart shaped candy does not indicate my sexual interest in another man" it's unnessesary and unprofessional certainly but I don't know about bigotry per se
Not really since you are trying to search other meanings for words twisting them at your favor
Too bad that i am telling you to not be offended by two words that do not belittles what you are when you know what the person intended when he said them
If an ignorant piece of shit tells you "no homo" intending "no homo because homo are bad" then you have all the rights to smash his head
but if i come to you and i say "no homo" intending what it really essentially and literally means and you really don't have a problem with yourself then you just can't being offended by any means, you have no reason and no right to.
You can have problem to distinguish wether of the 2 cases you are encountering at the moment but this is not what i'm talking about, i'm only saying that those words doesn't have an anti homosexual meaning per se and you can't get mad before you know what the person who said them intended
Coffee Dog
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Whether or not something is offensive depends 100% on context.
This is not a context where "No Homo" isn't singling out gay people. It furthers the retarded "gay people want to rape you at all times" stereotype, by saying that you are showing a person affection but it isn't just to get in your pants like dem gays would lololololol
This is not a context where "No Homo" isn't singling out gay people. It furthers the retarded "gay people want to rape you at all times" stereotype, by saying that you are showing a person affection but it isn't just to get in your pants like dem gays would lololololol
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Bobby Roberts
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Words mean things and I don't actually understand what you're trying to say with this sentence. The connotations of what provide the actual message of "no homo"?
Insecurity is absolutely inherent. You wouldn't say it if you weren't insecure on some level.
"Homo" in this context is a slur, unless someone can point out to me when it stopped being one. Are we entirely sure the etymology of this phrase can't be traced back to a shortening of the explanation "I'm no homo?" because I'm pretty certain that's what happened.
"No Homo" is a means of letting another man know you're not trying to fuck him. It's presumptive and gross, just as it would be if you were asking to borrow some bucks from a friend with the reassurance that "I'm not trying to jew you."
Or it means that if a gay person were to do the same, that would "make more sense" because gay males give valentine hearts to other gay males. It's a stupid joke with negative implications towards gay people, but some of you are seriously blowing this out of proportion if you think it is a vessel of hatred towards gays or whatever you are trying to imply.
Yes please continue telling me what I can and can't be offended by.
Wow I need to leave, I'm done.
this.
SpartanAGM
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Yes. Overreaction pretty much summarizes this entire thread.
I agree, I'm gay and it doesn't bother me (probably because the world has become a better place because of people like bish in the past enlightening people). If it was in a non-threatening manner I would have just snickered and took the chocolate. But I guess it was good for Bish to yell at him in case there's someone in an unstable emotional state in class and that chocolate piece was their last point till self harm.
But I'm also a girl so I can't say I understand what gay men have to go through, it's probably a lot worse.
I squirm so much in class when a dumb student gets told off by a teacher. I know the teacher has good intentions but it just seems like a power thing to do. And then it just feels so awkward. Why couldn't the teacher set him aside and lay it straight? I think it takes away from whatever lesson that was going to be taught since everyone is just thinking about how that kid got told off.
My issue with it is not when it's in an immature play on words like with the "that's what she said" jokes but it's now become a thing where you see people using it after every single perceived compliment to another male.
"He's a good looking guy. No homo."
"I love your youtube channel. No homo."
I rarely see it used in it's original intent anymore.
Barkley's Justice
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in this thread: people that dont know any gay people thinking "no homo" is not foul.
SteveWinwood
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What's wrong with getting hit on by dudes as a straight guy?
what? there are people still insecure if their sexuality (or whatever) is wrong or not so as i said before it's their problem how they take those words because they have problem with themselves...
Jest Chillin
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I think it's important in this case to recognize that Bish didn't just clown the kid in front of the class. He was very clear in the OP that he took it as an opportunity to teach them what's expected of them and what's acceptable in a workplace environment.
Bobby Roberts
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Straight dudes who ARE bothered by it seem to never really have an explanation other than "ew."
ClovingWestbrook
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Here is where I stand. In a perfect world or relationship we would be able to make fun of one another in all ways. I have buddies, even folks on GAF that I talk to outside of the forum that use use my Jewishness as a joke. Make the whole Jew and money jokes. I laugh. I make fun of them as well. Nothing is too sacred between us or off limits but that is due to us knowing eachother well enough to know we respect eachother and aren't actually trying to hurt the other. This is ideal IMO.
Since it's not a perfect world and since we don't know everyone on such a close personal level we need to be cognizant of what words actually mean. I am not going to use the no homo to strangers, coworkers, associates, people on GAF who don't know me or where I stand on gay rights. I would never use it in class either. It's all about knowing your audience so to speak.
Agreed, and under normal circumstances (habitual lateness, missing assignments, etc), I talk with students one-on-one. That wouldn't have been sufficient tonight since
- he had already passed them out to half the class before offering one to me
- not making it abundantly clear to everyone who received it that it wasn't cool would come off as tacit approval
Exactly what I thought, hahaha.
Well, the class probably thinks bish is gay now. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Bobby Roberts
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completely agreed.
ClovingWestbrook
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And that is a good point too. As a teacher you have students looking to you and it could be said that you agreed with the student had you not made it clear where you stand. You may have lost the respect of your clas right then and there had you not made it clear where you stand.
IrrelevantNotch
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Exterminieren
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I'm struggling to understand why you think you have the right to decree what people have the "right to" be offended by.
Dude... let's get fucking serious right now. You can't get offended on what you want because otherwise I (or someone else) could get mad and punch people in the face because people say "hi" to me because i think that they want to rape me. it is OBVIOUS that in that case i personally have problems with the word "hi" because isn't an insult or anything.
Bobby Roberts
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This dude was trying to teach me English earlier in the thread.
vas_a_morir
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I always thought of "no homo: as a preemptive admission that you realize that your comments could be misconstrued as an expression of homosexual attraction. Relatively harmless, although I'm not sure this guy used it in that way.
A wrong way to use it would be to say something like "That shirt looks good on you, no homo." I think the proper way to use it would be to say to a baker "I can't wait to taste your buns, no homo." Either way is obnoxious, but I feel the 2nd example is the more common usage. I personally have never heard it around here, and I'm thankful. It's about like saying "that's what she said."
A wrong way to use it would be to say something like "That shirt looks good on you, no homo." I think the proper way to use it would be to say to a baker "I can't wait to taste your buns, no homo." Either way is obnoxious, but I feel the 2nd example is the more common usage. I personally have never heard it around here, and I'm thankful. It's about like saying "that's what she said."
ClovingWestbrook
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No...
I guess blacks who are called 'nigger' should just 'deal with it'. Also it's hard to not have issues with yourself when society tells you that at your core you are damaged and how you feel is wrong.
BigEvilTurtle
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Holy shit, what are you saying!? I can't understand you at all. I'm seriously trying SO hard to read this but I just can't do it.
I disagree with your claim it is absolute and inherent. To the point your analogy of "jewing" also fits under the umbrella of using a term steeped in a stereotype (or commonly held notion) to get your intent across. This does not necessitate insecurity. It is a means to an end. Unprofessionalism and crass notwithstanding.
Ultimately the distinction I made and am making is rather irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and does not change this particular situation one bit.
LeleSocho's argument is that you cannot choose what you want to get offended by, because then people can claim moral outrage over the most benign of situations.
You may only allow prescribed outrage situations to bother you; based around the guidelines of the straight white male probably.
Yeah I was going to add that but I didn't want to be tl;dr. The times I've seen that in class it was a nasty teacher trying to show how powerful and clever they were. I don't know what was said so it might have been polite and to the point (even though he said he lit him up).
Huh?
Give a guy a rope and he thinks he's a goddamn cowboy. I've got other stuff to do than keep explaining this shit to you.
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although some use it like that, for most of the idiots who use it it's more of *says something really homo-erotic* "BUT I AINT GAY YOOO FUCK NOOO" kind of thing.
Blueandigo
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I need background story on op
Run that by me again.
Coffee Dog
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I am having difficulty trying to parse this because I can't believe that you are saying something so stupid.
ClovingWestbrook
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Basically anyone who gets offended by 'no homo' has issuses with his/her own sexuality and its not everyone elses job to tip-toe around the person. That no homo is unaccetable by one person while 'hi' is unacceptable to another.
Edit: Oh bless.
What it literally means is "I am not gay", and what it means is that you think it would be a bad thing if someone made that mistake.
And yes, I can. I have every right to and I have good reason.
Insecurity is indeed the issue.
The person who is demonstrating insecurity in this scenario is the person who says "no homo." No homo indicates insecurity with one's sexuality and a fear that something someone has said or done could cause someone to mistakenly believe that they are gay because it is designed precisely to negate that possible misapprehension. The person with the insecurity issue is not the gay person who finds this behavior obnoxious; it is the person who says "no homo."
What it literally means is "I am not gay", and what it means is that you think it would be a bad thing if someone made that mistake.
And yes, I can. I have every right to and I have good reason.
Insecurity is indeed the issue.
The person who is demonstrating insecurity in this scenario is the person who says "no homo." No homo indicates insecurity with one's sexuality and a fear that something someone has said or done could cause someone to mistakenly believe that they are gay because it is designed precisely to negate that possible misapprehension. The person with the insecurity issue is not the gay person who finds this behavior obnoxious; it is the person who says "no homo."
LaserBuddha
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come on gimME UR ADDRESS RIGHT NOW LETS FIGHT IT OUT IN PERSON OR ARE U AFRAID OF MY lil' GAY HANDS TOUCHIN U
vas_a_morir
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lol. I would hope I would be around people mature enough to understand what I mean. When I wear my Yakult Swallows shirt, only complete jackasses with whom I would seldom if ever associate make comments alluding to swallowing semen.
IrrelevantNotch
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Dagnabbit mods. I wanted to see more.
vas_a_morir
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see more what? Dammit, I'm late again.
Spring-Loaded
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I don't blame OP for doing that at all, but it's never worth it to lose your cool. Dude probably was so sheltered/in a bubble that he honestly didn't think there was anything offensive about "no homo." Not that I think about it, I've heard a friend of a friend talk about how they were taken aback when someone got pissed at them for saying it.
That does not make it okay, of course, but it's understandable if they've been surrounded by usage of that term for a long time. It would've been better to just give a calm, stern talk.
That does not make it okay, of course, but it's understandable if they've been surrounded by usage of that term for a long time. It would've been better to just give a calm, stern talk.
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