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[bjb]

People who play World of Warcraft regularly cannot maintain a successful job, career or real-life social circle.

 

[Mileena]

The rise in video game prices - direct and indirect- is justified both by the rise in the cost of AAA development and by inflation.

Do you remember those $80 N64 games?

 

[VXLbeast]

This thread is amazing. It's like "Me: The Thread." Glad I'm not the only one that dislikes Bioshock and Red Dead.

 

[SammiiDoogles]

I can't stand Mass Effect. Tried so hard to get into it, twice. Just really can't stand it.

I have no idea how people praise the characters as being realistic and relatable when they animate like wooden mannequins and have some awful, awful dialogue.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Video games are cheaper now than they have ever been. And I'm talking about retail releases.

Are they? I might be wrong about this but if I remember, back in the 2600 through around the NES days, games costed an average of $50. I remember $65 - $70 prices for N64 games, which would be high even by today's standards but that had to do with the manufacturing of the cartridges. PS1 games were also averaging $50 during that time.

Also, one could factor in all the DLC, which while not completely necessary, raises the "cost" even higher.

 

[weekend_warrior]

I played 10 minutes of Bayonetta and wanted to kill himself afterwards. How anybody could have enjoyed that game boggles my mind.

 

[SnakeLinkSonic]

Surprised to see these two in the same post...

I used a combination of both in XI and XIV. Only things like RTS games really REQUIRE me to be at the keyboard consistently, and the handful of console RTSes that I played didn't leave me feeling as gimped as I initially thought they would going in, so that's why I don't even include things like that genre as a significant preference in favor of it (although I do in fact prefer M&K for them). FPS can go either way with me though. It's just depending on my mood (and I rarely play shooters competitively, so that whole decades-long 'which is the better input device' argument doesn't really sway me either way).

Please, please explain.

Well how about you tell me what it did? That's a better way to go here. As a self-contained title, is it a fun game? Sure, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that eight years later, its influence has become more bad than good, even outside its own series.

 

[Spongebob]

Persona 4 doesn't have a good story or good characters.

New Super Mario Bros is a pretty soulless cash-in.

Max Payne 3 is probably the best in the series.

Final Fantasy hasn't been good since IX.

Ocarina of Time is pretty dull.

Gearbox have never really made a "good" game, but the Half-Life expansions were pretty cool.

The first BioShock was incredibly boring.

This so much.

 

[Cyrano]

Persona 4 doesn't have a good story or good characters.

But it does have the best fandub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7lj9qI8VFc

 

[Azheim]

Video games are cheaper now than they have ever been. And I'm talking about retail releases.

Do you remember those $80 N64 games?

I remember $75 Atari 2600 games. I agree that games are much cheaper than they used to be.

My point was in reference to the rise of retail launch prices over the last ~10 years from $50->$60->$60+$15 DLC. Many people find this unacceptable, but I think it's justified by the reasons already stated, including your well-noted point that we are experiencing a relative rise in price, not an absolute one.

 

[Boss Man]

I think mobile games are good for the industry. I think they're good for MS/Sony/Nintendo home consoles even. Probably not handhelds though.

 

[Azheim]

Are they? I might be wrong about this but if I remember, back in the 2600 through around the NES days, games costed an average of $50. I remember $65 - $70 prices for N64 games, which would be high even by today's standards but that had to do with the manufacturing of the cartridges. PS1 games were also averaging $50 during that time.

Also, one could factor in all the DLC, which while not completely necessary, raises the "cost" even higher.

I've lost them now, but at one time I had a couple ads and an order form for 2600 games, and the prices ranged from $50 up to about $75, maybe higher. And that was 30 years ago, when $50 took a lot more work to earn, and bought you a lot more (except for video games, I guess.)

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I've lost them now, but at one time I had a couple ads and an order form for 2600 games, and the prices ranged from $50 up to about $75, maybe higher. And that was 30 years ago, when $50 took a lot more work to earn, and bought you a lot more (except for video games, I guess.)

I was a little kid but I never remembered any 2600 games being that much. I don't think my parents would have bought them for me at that price and I had a lot of games. I live in Nevada and used to have most of my games bought for me at Toys R Us if that makes any differences, which I doubt it does.

I do recall some Odyssey 2 RPG game where you put a map over the keyboard being around $75 or maybe even $100 bucks. I also remember the expensive N64 cartridges which at the time made me glad I had a PS1 just for the price of games alone. Then there's the $200 NeoGeo games but let's not go there.

Maybe if you adjust for inflation, old 2600 games would come out to $60 or $70 bucks. I dunno. I just don't recall games ever being that pricey.

 

[EightBitNate]

Always online isn't a big deal to me at all

Retro isn't as talented as everyone around here wants to believe. They made the same game 3 times and then made a shitty Donkey Kong game

If you want anti-piracy measures to stop, stop pirating

Games now are better than ever. It's just nostalgia that makes you think they used to be better

Halo was never anything special

Valve is as greedy as EA

RE5 and RE4 are equally incredible

Don't get the boners for Platinum. The Wonder 101 looks terrible

Nintendo almost has no idea what they're doing or why they were successful with the Wii and DS

Kinect is cool

 

[Jathaine]

Oooh, and one I forgot in my earlier post.

RE6 is the best game in the series so far.

 

[VXLbeast]

I remember $75 Atari 2600 games. I agree that games are much cheaper than they used to be.

My point was in reference to the rise of retail launch prices over the last ~10 years from $50->$60->$60+$15 DLC. Many people find this unacceptable, but I think it's justified by the reasons already stated, including your well-noted point that we are experiencing a relative rise in price, not an absolute one.

I getcha. Agreed.

 

[Unicorn]

Always online isn't a big deal to me at all

Retro isn't as talented as everyone around here wants to believe. They made the same game 3 times and then made a shitty Donkey Kong game

If you want anti-piracy measures to stop, stop pirating

Games now are better than ever. It's just nostalgia that makes you think they used to be better

Halo was never anything special

Valve is as greedy as EA

RE5 and RE4 are equally incredible

Don't get the boners for Platinum. The Wonder 101 looks terrible

Nintendo almost has no idea what they're doing or why they were successful with the Wii and DS

Kinect is cool

Yeah we wouldn't get along.

DRM is a red herring.

 

[sp3000]

Are they? I might be wrong about this but if I remember, back in the 2600 through around the NES days, games costed an average of $50. I remember $65 - $70 prices for N64 games, which would be high even by today's standards but that had to do with the manufacturing of the cartridges. PS1 games were also averaging $50 during that time.

Also, one could factor in all the DLC, which while not completely necessary, raises the "cost" even higher.

Inflation means that a $60 game today is cheaper than a $50 game in 1995.

 

[VinLAURiA]

PS2 was a mediocre system that merely rode the success of the admittedly-great PS1 to its supposed "best console ever" status. Sony would be nothing without their third-parties.

The Xbox 360 controller is a bulky piece of junk that compromises in such a way between ergonmoics and symmetry that it accomplishes neither. Plus it got the ABXY layout wrong.

Brawl was better than Melee. Melee being as fast and heavy as it was were not points in its favor, but the game was good before the filthy competitives tore it to pieces and killed all the fun.

If the PS4/720 were to be yet more of what we've seen since the PS1 - beefed-up boxes with DualShock clones - they would be absolutely nothing special and it'd be bad for gaming.

Yoshi's Island was boring. Aside from the great-for-the-SNES graphics, there was nothing really special about it. The Baby Mario mechanic was just annoying.

Borderlands is a mediocre shooter series that gets by entirely on its Skinner-box quest/loot system. Firefall pulled off the concept a million times better.

Sunshine was one of the best Mario games and FLUDD was a good mechanic. At the very least it aged better than SM64 (N64) did.

Star Fox 64 was the weakest of the series. Assault did the formula so much better and Adventures was good in its own right.

Mega Man 2 was a mediocre installment that everyone only remembers because of the Wily music and overpowered Metal Blade.

MOBAs are pretty much everything wrong with modern gaming crushed into one genre.

Novelty aside, virtual reality is a dead-end for gaming as well as being potentially dangerous.

VALVe - for how much I love them - is going downhill and not only will we never see a new Half-Life, DotA 2 will turn them into the next Nexon.

Motion controls are still a valid control scheme and potentially even better than a mouse. Everyone's just too stupid to use them correctly.

Competitive/professional gaming is a waste of time and an indicator of the participants' unwillingness to grow the hell up and get a real job.

Nintendo - with VALVe's downfall - is now the only good guy in the entire goddamn industry.

Video games are just toys.

I hate gamer culture.

 

[Xbudz]

I still believe Sony moneyhatted EA to not support Dreamcast.

 

[AmaterasuOkami076]

I don't think Dark Souls is the amazing game everyone says it is. It's good, but that's it.

I hate the idea of gaming going digital. Physical all the way.

Wind Waker is amazing.

I don't think Nintendo should go third party.

I don't think Okami is too long. (Surprise surprise)

Outside of 2 or 3 games, I don't think the Dreamcast was really that great.

I think last gen hit the sweet spot for gaming, and there are too many negatives that this gen brought, which seems to be only getting worse for next gen.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Inflation means that a $60 game today is cheaper than a $50 game in 1995.

My bad.

Anyways, I did a Google search and couldn't find much regarding original costs of the games although a few "ask Yahoos" and whatnot pretty much have stated 2600 games and whatnot costed about $40 - $50 at most. That's how I remembered it. I think anyone paying more than $50 for a 2600 game must have been in a location for whatever reason had raised prices. Here in Nevada at Toys R Us, I never remember any games from the 2600 and on (again, except for the N64 and some other rare exceptions) costing more than $50 until after the PS1 era.

 

[DrSlek]

I have never played, nor even been interested in playing any Metal Gear, Gears of War, or God of War game.

Perhaps I've been missing out? Perhaps not. Nothing in these games ever sparked my interest.

 

[The Technomancer]

None of Sony's best first party output has ever come close to touching the best Nintendo first party output, and I'm not just talking about SNES-N64-era Nintendo "classics"

 

[The Horror the horror]

Nintendo needs to pull the Zelda series out of the McDonalds ball pen. The villains and supporting characters of these games look goofy and childish. And the over-representation of toon Link on the handhelds is nauseating (doesn't help that both of those games are boring). Zelda's tone should be similar to that of Metroid, IMO.

 

[Cake Boss]

I cant stand playing FPSes on a keyboard and mouse, controller all the way, BTW I grew up with Quake and UT then went in to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark and never went back, wwnt back for TF2 though.

I cant fucking stand it, my left fingers hurt like a bitch stretching them just so I can crouch and walk forward is always a bitch, it feels way too sensitive, you get no type of feedback back or any type kick 'back when you fire a gun, it feels empty and naked.

I almost forgot, every Zombie game I have played is pure shit, mostly because the AI is pure crap, I dont get peoples fascination about zombies, its just a devs excuse to create an enemy without any actual AI that just runs straight at you and does nothing but attack, and noone can say anything about it, because they will just respond 'oh its a brain dead zombie duh'. oh here come a hord, walk five minutes or here comes the same hord, oh so much fun and challenging. The Last Of Us is the one zombie game that has been developed this generation that looks interesting.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

In general, Video games in 2000s > Video games in the 90s. Big part of that being so many games from the PS1/Saturn/N64 era are ugly, clunky things that have aged terribly

 

[Darkmakaimura]

In general, Video games in 2000s > Video games in the 90s. Big part of that being so many games from the PS1/Saturn/N64 era are ugly, clunky things that have aged terribly

Hell, this is the best gen so far. The 90's had awesome stuff but you can't let nostalgia bite too hard.

It's gonna be funny in 10 to 20 years from now when people say today's games look ugly and clunky. One thing that bothers me is character models still kinda look ugly and inconsistent even in the most recent, biggest budget games released.

 

[RionaaM]

I really like Other M
I don't see the fun in the uncharted series
Vice City is the best GTA
I dont like Street Fighter 4 (any version)

I don't think this is controversial, I know several people who think the same (me being one of them).

In fact, when San Andreas came out I seriously disliked it due to it being way too different from VC, though after some time I learned to like it too.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

It's gonna be funny when, 10 years from now, there's a whole new era of Derrick01s who hate all the current gen titles and wish it was like the good old days of 2007

 

[SneakyStephan]

Maybe not that controversial but these usually get a lot of but but but responses.

-Square enix has little to do with squaresoft who made ff 1-10.
A square enix game with final fantasy in the title is as much a final fantasy game as a justin bieber song with 'the beatles' on the cover of the album.
It's not the same people (with a few leftovers as exception) so it's not the same studio and it's not the same series.

-Crash team racing is an excellent kart racing game, unlike mario kart which isn't very good at all once you played both and your standards get raised.

-gaming on a laggy lcd tv is a crime, I get that with the massive profits lcd tv makers were getting from 2004-2010 that they would push this inferior tech, and I get that console manufacturers had little choice but to hop on the LCD 'HD' train and that their best course of action was to pretend that input lag doesn't exist.
It pains me how many people won't experience or understand what a responsive game feels like and how much game design has suffered from having to design games around unresponsive controls.
The last part of that sentence is a second controversial opinion, but I have no doubt in my mind. (see also the fighting game genre mostly dissapearing and becoming unpopular for years)


-Wii U is 150 euros overpriced, I value it at wii cost (199 euros)

-3ds should never have released without a second analog stick.
This isn't because I'm comparing it to vita, but because all I could think of while playing my psp for 8 years was why the hell does this thing only have one analog nub.
I can't believe Nintendo didn't bother, it was fine on the ds with mostly 2d games, but they called it the frigging 3DS and many games on it are third person or have some form of camera control.

 

[Wyndstryker]

My gaming opinions.....

All console gaming went to the gutter post PS2. Fancy cutscenes, better graphics did nothing for me. I found more fun playing RPGMaker games made by complete amateurs than 95% of the games released the past few gens. One of the main reasons why I've been a PC gamer for awhile now.

Mobile gaming is completely garbage at this time. No one figured out how to put something that can turn the platform into a true relevant core gaming platform. Will it happen, it can, but it hasn't happened yet.

It's impossible to please gamer communities.

Being a late adopter is one of the best things ever and more people should join in the late adopter bandwagon. You save so much hassle.

Wii Pointer controls is the best thing to happen to console controls since the joystick. Sadly I doubt I'll see another series like Trauma Center that utilize it.

The best game developer potentially possible will utilize Japanese art direction, easter eggs, side quests and music on top of Western technical prowess, game design, and story.

 

[Zeal]

Wii U will be completely stone dead within six months.

 

[Cake Boss]

GT5 was a complete let down, didnt think the visuals were that great aside from photo mode, I always play through the headlight view so I only see the enviroment which looked like ass on GT5, plus there was barely any content in the game compared to GT4 and 3.

BTW PGR4 was the best racing game made this generation.

 

[SneakyStephan]

GT5 was a complete let down, didnt think the visuals were that great aside from photo mode, I always play through the headlight view so I only see the enviroment which looked like ass on GT5, plus there was barely any content in the game compared to GT4 and 3.

BTW PGR4 was the best racing game made this generation.

I agree completely on your gt5 negatives (and as objective and grounded as they seem... man are they controversial, try to mention any of this on GTplanet and you'll get lynched)

GT5 still had the gameplay intact though (and new rally mode is incredibe gameplay wise, even though they didn't create much content around it)
So I'm not sure how you can be let down by the game, I still got what I wanted from it which is the endlessly fun gameplay and the old GT courses (as shitty as they looked )

For me it would have been a letdown (crushing one) if they had had 1000 premium cars, best gfx ever, no jaggies no rough edges, 20 new tracks, properly visually upgraded tracks BUT (but but but) failed on a physics level or in the process of visually improving the tracks changed the corners and bumps so they no longer played like gt tracks.

Dissapointed by lack of polish? Damn right, but letdown? If you like gran turismo this game should still make you happy. It's not missing anything that makes a gt game a gt game gameplay wise.

 

[Lime]

In general, Video games in 2000s > Video games in the 90s. Big part of that being so many games from the PS1/Saturn/N64 era are ugly, clunky things that have aged terribly

It's pretty obvious you haven't played any PC games from that era.

 

[demidar]

Chasing graphics will be the death of many developers this coming generation. Those smart enough to not chase after it will stand a far greater chance of survival, however it will still be quite grim.

 

[Parakeetman]

Chasing graphics will be the death of many developers this coming generation. Those smart enough to not chase after it will stand a far greater chance of survival, however it will still be quite grim.

Yep indeed. The fault of the publishers, media and the consumers driving it.

 

[aravuus]

Hell, this is the best gen so far. The 90's had awesome stuff but you can't let nostalgia bite too hard.

It's gonna be funny in 10 to 20 years from now when people say today's games look ugly and clunky. One thing that bothers me is character models still kinda look ugly and inconsistent even in the most recent, biggest budget games released.

JRPG-wise, I'd say the best one was PS2, then PS1. Then this gen. Snes doesn't fit there, I only really liked Chrono Trigger, Star Ocean 1 and FF VI.

Everything else though, it's getting better and better all the time. This gen has had the best sports games, driving games, shooter and action games and puzzle games I've played.

 

[Dunan]

Inflation means that a $60 game today is cheaper than a $50 game in 1995.

Claiming that because consumer prices have risen X% in Y years, it's justified that the price for a particular consumer good to have risen X% in Y years is somewhat fallacious. The Consumer Price Index includes various goods, and some will have risen by more than average and others will have fallen or risen by less than the average.

Also, for comparison, the median starting salary for new college graduates was $28,000 in 1998, and is still $28,000 today (and was more for the class of 2006-07, who graduated before the economic downturn). "Other stuff costs more now, so we can charge more for our product too" is oversimplified, and even more so when income has not risen to support the higher price tag. This "me-tooism" in pricing is one reason why inflation continues to be a scourge of savers and young people.

 

[Quackula]

Most of these opinions aren't actually all that controversial...

 

[Ominym]

- Stealth games like Splinter Cell died not because stealth gameplay is bad. But because people are lazy and easily upset when things don't go their way the first time.

- I'm totally okay with things being required to be online. This isn't a huge issue to me. However, I do have a problem with the idea of eliminating the used market.

- After playing the demo for Metal Gear Rising: Revengence (terrible title by the way.) I would be astounded if anyone said that game plays well.

 

[demidar]

Most of these opinions aren't actually all that controversial...

I don't think I hold very many controversial opinions. Let me try though:

Journey is a terrible game but an excellent interactive experience (same with Walking Dead) because the defining feature of those games aren't gameplay but everything else (fantastic art direction, connection with strangers encouraged by design choices and minimalism, environmental storytelling, the ending accompanied by the orchestral swell).

 

[nOoblet16]

- Bethesda games are terrible, (with the exception of Fallout 3) the world is boring and so is the lore and not to mention the awful gameplay.

- Half Life esque cutscenes hurt the story sequence (since you can be looking anywhere else other than where necessary) and also make replayability a pain in the arse. If you want to do story sequence while still being in first person then do it like Crysis 2 did. Also screw silent protagonists.

- God of War games are just stupid.

- Bayonetta's combat system is more elegant but it's not as good as DMC4's.

- Halo Reach was better than Halo 3

- Resident Evil 6 is a very good game and the QTEs aren't any more than what one experienced in RE4 or RE5. Some questionable level design choices (no tutorial, long vehicle sections, repeated fight with last boss, parts of Jake's 2nd chapter) but overall well made and filled with content and the characters are very mobile.

- I LOVED FFXIII

 

[Kup]

- I loved Silent Hill: Downpour

- I really enjoyed Alundra 2

- I thought Halo 3: ODST was the best Halo so far

- I play Call of Duty games for the single player

- I love Suikoden IV

- I don't get why people customise Shepard in Mass Effect... his face is on the box people! Going female - even weirder.

- I hate Devil May Cry and the characters

- Kratos really annoys me

- I can't stand Half Life, especially all the talk about Half Life 2

- I love my Wii

 

[The Foul]

- The Walking Dead is a terrible game, nowhere near worthy of the accolades it got. Nothing but unskippable cut-scenes & quick-time events clumsily stitched together around a poor & predictable story. The animation/game feel is capitol W Wonk, the game itself is full of ruinous bugs that months later are still not patched, and personally I didn't like or care about a single character due to their unnaturally forced personalities & actions. Worst of all, there is no actual choice in a game supposedly centred around "tailoring the story to how you play". More often than not it boils down to "Do you want to go left or right - (click right) - Scene plays out and party goes left anyway - Party hates you for wanting to go right". There is nothing "tailored" about being funnelled down the one story path with very, very, very minor alterations. See Mass Effect or even KOTOR for what I consider true tailored storytelling.

- This console generation should be reviled & forgotten.

- Dwarf Fortress is the best game of all time and should be taught in schools.

- Video Games peaked in the mid to late 90's/early 2000's and are now a shell of their former glory, all flash, no substance, day 1 DLC with increasingly rare gems of brilliance. The golden age has been over for 10 years now and its doubtful it'll return in our lifetime.

- Board Games are the only "true" games these days.

 

[GoddyofAus]

- The Walking Dead is a terrible game, nowhere near worthy of the accolades it got. Nothing but unskippable cut-scenes & quick-time events clumsily stitched together around a poor & predictable story. The animation/game feel is capitol W Wonk, the game itself is full of ruinous bugs that months later are still not patched, and personally I didn't like or care about a single character due to their unnaturally forced personalities & actions. Worst of all, there is no actual choice in a game supposedly centred around "tailoring the story to how you play". More often than not it boils down to "Do you want to go left or right - (click right) - Scene plays out and party goes left anyway - Party hates you for wanting to go right". There is nothing "tailored" about being funnelled down the one story path with very, very, very minor alterations. See Mass Effect or even KOTOR for what I consider true tailored storytelling.

- This console generation should be reviled & forgotten.

- Dwarf Fortress is the best game of all time and should be taught in schools.

- Video Games peaked in the mid to late 90's/early 2000's and are now a shell of their former glory, all flash, no substance, day 1 DLC with increasingly rare gems of brilliance. The golden age has been over for 10 years now and its doubtful it'll return in our lifetime.

- Board Games are the only "true" games these days.

Why do you still continue to invest your time and money into the medium then? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just honestly curious.

 

[crazyjah2003]

Driver: San Francisco is woefully unappreciated. I may have missed out on it if it wasn't for Vinny Caravella's insistence on saying it is excellent. In my/our rotten brain, it is Burnout Paradise with better mission structure and real cars. I realize it is by very far my favorite game the last 5 years. I am considering writing Ubi telling them and encouraging them to make more games like it.

 

[JimiNutz]

I agree that The Walking Dead is a terrible game.
I've just finished chapter 4 and I am bored out of my skull. There is no challenge, no real interaction, just videos strung together by the most basic of QTEs and aimless wondering around barren and dull environments.

I suppose at a very base level it is serviceable as a story telling device in the same way that a comic strip or tv show episode is, but the story feels diluted due to all the 'gameplay'.

I am very disappointed in it as a 'game' and it is starting to feel like a chore.

 

[The Foul]

Why do you still continue to invest your time and money into the medium then? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just honestly curious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhs573B4AC4&feature=youtu.be&t=49s