Heh, I can't deny that you have a point here seeing as some people are this forum are living proof of this.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Heh, I can't deny that you have a point here seeing as some people are this forum are living proof of this.
The Kinect 2 is a webcam for a always on the internet, always powered on console, in your living room or bedroom.
There was a teacher ,in a school that used school laptops that the school gave the students, that put a hidden program in the computer and then activated the webcam, from his home, to spy on teenagers girl while they were in the bedroom or living room.
Sensor bar is two lights. The Sony camera do not need to be plugged in for the system to work.
The Kinect 2, yes. Do you really want people to maybe be able to watch you live without you knowing it?
Then why say "always on, always connected" instead of just wired/wireless internet connection or is that too technical for devs to understand
Karak
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Xbox load Tori Black Video.
Xbox dim the lights.
My take. Which is just my take.
MS has a system in place that doesn't handle all online functionality the way many expect for many things.
For example. Whispernet style usage(a game check would require less than 200kbs of data exchange, soft patching from a PC on the same network, how streaming will be handled, Offline(Unbox Amazon or Steam style), and so forth.
Yup. Seems like more hands are trying to dig into the Xbox division cookie jar. What a shame.
Proelite
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Also better user experience for people who have any internet. No experience for those without.
and Vice Versa.
See, that's the most worrying part about these rumors. If it was VGleaks that initially leaked these ridiculous rumors I'd write them off outright. But Edge actually got put up leaks for the PS4 and Durango. For the PS4 their sources actually got the services and specs right, even down to the last minute bump to 8GB.
If their Durango rumors prove to be accurate we're in for some bad times.
It wasn't really significantly slower than the 360's DVD drive all things considered.
I lol'd
Iced_Eagle
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It doesn't. Steam "offline" mode has always been terrible.
It was pretty annoying when I couldn't play any of my Steam games when I moved apartments because I didn't know that you had to be online when you told Steam you wanted to go offline.
Enough for developers to use it though.
You said the wording of the XDK was ambiguous, not the EDGE article.
How about you add the rest of the paragraph to those quotes and realise that your assumption doesn't work unless the words are taken out of context:
"Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current. With this 'Always On, Always Connected' design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates."
BlastProcessing
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Turns out I am crazy. In the US Wii U does come with a sensor bar. I was recalling the japanese Wii U which does not come with a Sensor bar.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/09/liveblog-wii-u-japan/
Use what? Duplication/padding? Happens with DVDs as well.
dragonelite
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You can almost shave of 20Gb from uncharted 3 by ripping out the 3D movies.
From what i saw on the piratebay.
If their Durango rumors prove true, simply don't buy a Durango. Problem solved, bad times avoided.
People without internet can't get updates at all.
WordAssassin
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http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Wii-U/Hardware-Features/Hardware-packs/Hardware-packs-663024.html
OH GOD IT'S TRUE
I love Nintendo and my Wii U but I am honestly just flabbergasted that the basic bundle doesn't come with the fucking sensor bar.
Anyway, sorry to derail the thread with this. I just can't even believe they're so cheap to not include it outside of the US.
Jesus Christ, Japan too?
OH GOD IT'S TRUE
The GamePad has pointer functionality and uses the sensor bar for certain games. (Unless it's using the gyroscope but all the articles I just went through say that the GamePad uses the sensor bar for positioning and pointer functions).
I love Nintendo and my Wii U but I am honestly just flabbergasted that the basic bundle doesn't come with the fucking sensor bar.
Anyway, sorry to derail the thread with this. I just can't even believe they're so cheap to not include it outside of the US.
Jesus Christ, Japan too?
They have deep links with the industry as a whole. Miyamoto even wrote articles for them. If they publish a rumour about something, it's probably with blessing.
Whereas Kotaku publish rumours every week and not all of them are ever true.
toddhunter
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My guess is it is no BC, but this is covered in a sense that you can play halo and other popular titles through your steam account.
Kun Aguero
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What about people who have no internet connection at all? These people do exist. Are you saying 100% that no internet connection will be required at all, from setting up the console to playing games?
Not seeing how "will always maintain an internet connection" translates to "connection required to play games". Especially since in the OP they pretty much outright state "Kinect required", why not say "online required" as well?
So where in this sentence does it talk about online being required to play games?
Because they are describing a design philosophy and not a technical feature as such. They explain that in the documents which everyone is avoiding reading and just looking at the thread title instead.
CrunchinJelly
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How many times can these sites regurgitate the same info?
Vestal
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The more I read it the more I am surprised others are not saying its a hoax.
How can a Hardware Overview directed at developers make absolutely no mention of the actual hardware inside?? But there is enough space for Always on and the Kinect motor, which a Developer would care 2 hoots about.
I would think we would all realize that Microsoft in that case all 3 of the Console Manufacturers are a lot more bombastic when they describe a new console and not just say hey its more powerful than our 8 year old console.
This is as if someone decided to write up all the bad rumors that have been floating around and detail them in a screen shot of what looks like MSDN documentation.
How can a Hardware Overview directed at developers make absolutely no mention of the actual hardware inside?? But there is enough space for Always on and the Kinect motor, which a Developer would care 2 hoots about.
I would think we would all realize that Microsoft in that case all 3 of the Console Manufacturers are a lot more bombastic when they describe a new console and not just say hey its more powerful than our 8 year old console.
This is as if someone decided to write up all the bad rumors that have been floating around and detail them in a screen shot of what looks like MSDN documentation.
Often because the internet eats them up just fine.
RukusProvider
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It's a pretty safe trend to go with always online. Customer trend is heavily towards a "connected" future than without. This isn't 2005 anymore.
From a business perspective, they're better off catering to the audience that is already connected and uses the 360 the most.
No need to go after the outliers who can't/won't connect. The long term value there is minimal.
digoutyoursoul
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We need aegis to save us
Karak
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Many have
It just is what it is right now. People clamoring for whatever they can get.In fact it proves that people are ready for these next gen systems.
It is indeed a big enough deal that it came up a good deal on various games. Its not hammering the PS3. In fact it is a GREAT idea. Not a bad thing.
I know that, but it seems like it was used more 'aggressively' for PS3 games, also you have mandatory installs as well - and yes I do realise that developers can't do that for the 360, but it doesn't suffer a lot from it.
How you interpret the XDK text comes down to whether you believe the rumour about mandatory online or not. The Edge rumours for PS4 were spot on, and they aren't a click bait site that posts any rumour to generate traffic. They post rumours when they have trusted sources and feel confident something is true.
With the Edge rumour in mind, the meaning of the text in the XDK help file seems pretty clear to me: the Durango requires being online to function.
WIN
Nothing says the internet connection is required and is needed to play all games.
EightBitNate
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The likelihood of this happening is about -50%
Ardenyal
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Until you realize the console is watching you.
At the minimum, an internet connection is required to activate games.
Kinect shipping with every console is no surprise at all to me. I imagined they'd do this as soon as they unveiled Kinect.
As for the disc drive, if this is all true, then I hope every retail purchase entitles me to be able to re-download the game from XBL whenever I want. There's not reason not to let me do if the disc is locked-down. It'd be like a retail Steamworks game.
As for the disc drive, if this is all true, then I hope every retail purchase entitles me to be able to re-download the game from XBL whenever I want. There's not reason not to let me do if the disc is locked-down. It'd be like a retail Steamworks game.
Sakura
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So what I gather is that the Xbox will always online, but it's not confirmed whether online is required, and that it won't play games off the disc, but it's not confirmed whether used games will work, and the Kinect is required to be plugged in, but it's not confirmed whether it can be plugged in and forgotten.
Seems people are getting riled up when there is no real concrete information here.
Seems people are getting riled up when there is no real concrete information here.
Time to put on a show.
No. standby is a low power mode and Manufactures have gotten the hang of lead free solder in electronics now.
Karak
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I know then a double win because you can set up an amateur cam. Thanks for the idea!