Assuming you're an American, and not from the future, that's because they weren't allowed. But the times, they are a-changin'.
Female soldiers will not be playable in Battlefield 4's multiplayer or singleplayer
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Assuming you're an American, and not from the future, that's because they weren't allowed. But the times, they are a-changin'.
The exclusion of women from a narrative (or multi) is hardly the same as the inclusion of purposefully offensive imagery. Though I see your point.
If the no women issue is as huge as most here seem to make it, then BF4 will die on the shelves and GAF will be happy.
That won't happen.
That rumor and a few other things did a number on expectations for EA. Activision, however, is known for disliking female leads so no one even bothers them now.
JordanN
Banned
I don't see being loony and still allowing rights as mutual exclusives. See any theocracy for that matter.
GoddyofAus
Banned
No worries EA, I'll just be over here playing XCOM with my badass female squaddies.
Uno Venova
Banned
Oh, I would have tried it if they put it in, oh well, my avatar is the least of my worries in multiplayer.
Female soldiers as DLC would be hilarious
The Mana Legend
Banned
Not gonna lie, as cool as it would be to have female soldiers in B4 multiplayer, the typical shooter community would turn it into something awful.
GuitarAtomik
Member
This is a weird issue. On one hand (especially as someone of the browner persuasion) I understand the want to be included. On the other hand, I find it weird that Battlefield is becoming...well..a battleground for it. Battlefield 3 didn't let you choose your appearance at all beyond your class so why are people up in arms about it all of a sudden to include females? If it was a 3rd person game, was as simple as adding a female voice option ala Halo, or included ANY player customization at all I would get it but the last thing I'm worried about in Battlefield specifically is what my MP avatar looks like. I say this as someone who buys cosmetic crap in F2P games all the time.
People get so upset over things nowadays.
There is no way people wouldn't shit themselves if you are stabbing some woman in the breasts a la the gif above. "Violence against women! New EA game allows realistic depictions of murdering female combatants".
As for single player, so they wanted a story with a guy in it? Why can't I play as Brooke DeWitt in Bioshock? Lazy devs that's why.
There is no way people wouldn't shit themselves if you are stabbing some woman in the breasts a la the gif above. "Violence against women! New EA game allows realistic depictions of murdering female combatants".
As for single player, so they wanted a story with a guy in it? Why can't I play as Brooke DeWitt in Bioshock? Lazy devs that's why.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
I found it hilarious in Black Ops 2 instead of playing as the female fighter pilot for maybe a minute, she gets injured lands and your soldier jumps into it and flies like its nothing.
EagleBurnn
Banned
No we don't. Just be quiet and go away!
I think you would be arrested. Isn't that illegal in Germany?
Exactly this. EA were put into a lose-lose scenario because of rumors and expectations.
I'm enjoying reading people's opinions on this and following the debate but ultimately it doesn't effect my opinion on BF4 one iota. I indiscriminately shoot anyone (Oh no, video games promote violence...)
sakipon
Member
Not really. Allowing women to take part in combat is pretty different from calling them hoes.
That's why I think it's a RAM issue with loading in all the models, animations, and voice samples at once on the ancient boxes.
This is definitely shippable in MP:
This is what they said when questioned on Bad Company 2: http://kotaku.com/5488592/why-modern-video-game-armies-lack-female-troops
I fully expect the first next-gen only game to include playable females in multiplayer. People should feel totally free to call me out if this doesn't happen, and I will personally decry that DICE is being backwards.
What would change on a next gen game? Yes, there would be more RAM, but it is still a finite amount of RAM. Wouldn't female models just join 60fps, ideally but they'll probably need all of the RAM for particle effects, etc?
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
This is precisely the point I was trying to make earlier, Battlefield has never been about who you are or what you look like on the field. It almost makes you wonder if a lot of the people who have a problem with this even actually played anything in this series or are just up in arms about something and are moving to the next place they can keep pushing their honestly legitimate issue.
It's just that battlefield isn't the place to push this.
Hell even in BFBC2 when you spawned as a black or Hispanic character model you wouldn't know till you were dead.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Agreed. It is not the same. I was just illustrating that no artist has true free reign. All must comply to a standard of acceptability, morally and socially. Some artists break these boundries, and inevitably cause mass condemnation for it.
It's an issue worth discussing I think, but will have no bearing on me buying the game. I will be there day 1.
Yes, I would be arrested swiftly I have no doubt.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Ah, I see. That's fair enough regarding the villain thing. I totally missed the point...
...BUT... MGO (for all it's 20 minutes in the future setting) dealt with the very real-world issue of PMCs and it had female soldiers/avatars. This caused no controversy or backlash that I'm aware of. I don't know it as well, but SOCOM was very much in a 'real world' setting and had female soldiers. Are there any instances of either of these (or indeed, any) games being banned because of this issue?
Razgriz-Specter
Member
I have been playing since 1942.
and that includes Vietnam, MC and 1943
JordanN
Banned
This seems like reaching, since you're fighting a war, it wouldn't necessarily be murder.
Unless you believe "all war is murder" than it's not female exclusive.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Same.
spandexmonkey
Banned
I highly doubt that.
Anton Sugar
Member
I don't think that word means what you/"the same people" think it means.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
And this point is suddenly important to you after what is it now, 5 full games into the series?
Haha I'm just kidding, I don't disagree that it is important...just not something I feel is relevant to Battlefield.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I...have never played a SOCOM game, so cannot put out any suggestions for that.
However, MG4 I can, partly.
Notice how cities and nations were not named in MGS4? Like 'lets travel to Eastern Europe' for example, not 'lets go to Prague'. The multiplayer aspect can be seen as an extention to this science fiction period, in which real world entities are not named. It is arguably not set in a future time period (by much), but yet, we have giant robot cows walking around, and nanomachines controlling soldiers. It is very far removed from the real world setting. The further something is removed from the modern world, the more acceptable non-normal things become.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
If you asked me (which you didn't
) at any point during the series should there be playable female characters, I would've said "Yes, why aren't there already?".Female soldier characters have been stabbed/blown up/cursed in video games for years, and I don't remember anyone freaking out about it being sexist. Can you please provide an example of this?
GuitarAtomik
Member
Has Battlefield ever included any avatar customization options? I ask because I've only ever played 1943, BF3, and a tiny bit of BC2.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Anton Sugar
Member
If you asked me (which you didn't
Exactly. I take issue with this ordeal because it should be a standard; it shouldn't even BE an issue. When I saw the rumor that BF4 had female characters, I thought "finally!" and honestly felt it was one of the more unique (if not "smaller") features, as massive/popular shooters go.
I get that FPSes cater to a heavily male audience, but only being able to play as male characters is, by definition, exclusionary.
And Spaceghost, I totally get what you're saying, with character/avatar customization historically not being a BF staple, but I'd bet good money that we'll have even more customization options for our Soldier in BF4. It's where most games are going, not necessarily because it's relevant to the game, but because people enjoy it and are starting to expect it.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Never ever, it has always just been randomly spawn as whatever skin.
Screaming Meat said:If you asked me (which you didn't
Even in 1942 where it doesn't really make sense? haha
Razgriz-Specter
Member
doesn't really count but didn't Heroes?
I'm mainly for customization. Rainbow 6, Socom and Metal Gear have done it to me.
having female characters just gives more variation. My girlfriend and female clanmates also really want it and I want it for them.
I am pretty bad about customization, i'd pay just to change stupid stuff like tucked boots or to roll sleeves.
Let's all have a fucking cry about it.
Slacktivism in this piece in full force, this is literally one of the easiest things to protest. Because everyone who disagrees is automatically misogynistic, amirite?
That said, I'm all for female player models in MP. Let the feminist kotaku articles chastising the gaming community for perpetuating violence against women roll!
Male on female ingame teabag gifs and all.
Slacktivism in this piece in full force, this is literally one of the easiest things to protest. Because everyone who disagrees is automatically misogynistic, amirite?
That said, I'm all for female player models in MP. Let the feminist kotaku articles chastising the gaming community for perpetuating violence against women roll!
Male on female ingame teabag gifs and all.
BF 3 allows you to switch camos, that's the most you've ever been able to customize appearence wise.
mikekennyb
Member
It was fun playing as Faith in Mirror's Edge. I didn't see a need for a male playable Faith.
It was fun playing as Nathan Drake in Uncharted. I didn't see a need for a female playable Drake.
If DICE could get playable female characters into BF4, great. However, the vast majority of games out there do not have a Mass Effect type system where you can choose male/female main characters. Sometimes it appears that big budget (especially EA) publishers are damned if they do, damned if they don't by the enthusiast community regardless of what they do or say.
It was fun playing as Nathan Drake in Uncharted. I didn't see a need for a female playable Drake.
If DICE could get playable female characters into BF4, great. However, the vast majority of games out there do not have a Mass Effect type system where you can choose male/female main characters. Sometimes it appears that big budget (especially EA) publishers are damned if they do, damned if they don't by the enthusiast community regardless of what they do or say.
SquareEnix did.
Ha
I have to say I really don't like the modern practice of adding something just to make it compliant.
War game that is designed for males and played by males must have a woman included just to make a quota.
Next there will be crying for women characters in a World War 2 game or something like it .
War game that is designed for males and played by males must have a woman included just to make a quota.
Next there will be crying for women characters in a World War 2 game or something like it .
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
They definitely blurred the details there, but that wouldn't stop any controversy if there were some to be sniffed out. GTA is ridiculously over the top, quite cartoony and uses no real-life names of cities or districts, yet there is uproar about it. The Middle Eastern section in MGS4 is just as analogous to Afghan/Iraq, a very 'real-world' conflict.
The issues MGS4 raises are very much of the time and tied to real-world politics. PMCs were in the news a lot for their debatable tactics, as I recall. On top of that, a huge amount of effort went into making the 'realistic' elements as 'real' as possible. There are very definite ties to the 'real-world', more so than your Halos or Killzones.
I have never heard of any game being banned because of female soldiers being in a game, so (I assume) such controversy is without precedent.
Hahaha! Well, if they had a Soviet faction then, yes. Soviets deployed female Snipers, Pilots, Machine Gunners, Battle medics etc.
mikekennyb
Member
Haha
Anton Sugar
Member
You do realize this is a part of the problem, and not an excuse, right?
Not the same at all. There's little historical precedent for it, for one, unless you look outside the typical scope of WW2 (which is usually US v Germany).
Jawmuncher
Member
Way to be behind the curve dice.
What's part of the problem?
Something made specifically for men?
Hardly a crime is it?
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
10/10 Simply beautiful ahahaha
RustyNails
Member
I'd pay $5 for Vasquesz DLC.