Voice of Reason
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Maybe "It is finished" references to the loop being finished. Maybe the Prophet foresaw all of this.
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I guess the question is what is the turning point where no previous version of Booker made it to. I'd assume it's before the part where he kills Comstock.
This could fit. Maybe Comstock had a moment of redemption in the end or something but finally choosing to die.
that's a good theory too!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I just thought, "It is finished" was an appropriate final line for super religious arrogant Jesus freak kinda antagonist.
I also like that he drowned him.
I also like that he drowned him.
This sounds like the most plausible thing regarding that line.
I'm going to set up another playthrough later on and start throwing up some observations as I go. Hopefully I'll get something interesting about it.
quote poetic since he was reborn as Comstock from baptism and died by drowning.
was that explained? they could hop time and space so i dunno why money mattered to them.
MrPing1000
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Comstock knew he was going to die, but I suspect he didn't know exactly how. It's possible that he saw various versions of his death via Booker, via cancer or something else.
Damn. Great point, can't believe I didn't catch onto that.
Someone in this thread is going to be really delighted to hear that
Vire
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There is definitely some symmetry going on all throughout the game.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Comstock did gain some info from the tears, it's how he was able to get the information about the 'prophecies'. He didn't get all of the information though, just took what he thought he needed, which is why he believed all of his prophecies would come true.
The female Lutece helped Comstock in order to be able to upgrade her tear viewer to a tear creator, in order to bring her brother/male clone over to her universe.
Her brother realizes how 'evil' Comstock is, and convinces her to bring Booker back in to stop Comstock's manipulations.
At some point, Comstock blows up Lutece's time machine while they are 'in' it, in order to make sure they edit: CAN'T rebel against him, supposedly killing them. But it seems more likely that throwing them into the time stream, which is how they are able to keep tabs on all of the Bookers' progress and appear/disappear seemingly at will.
I like how stupid he looked
dammit man stop belittling the serious discussion
this is really serious and deep stop it
damn, thanks. that clears things up.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I like how stupid he looked
Silly old stupidly rich man, with your third act doomsday scenarios and your pretty stained glass windows and your robot Abe Lincolns
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I like how stupid he looked
"Dammit Booker, even your reformed self can't be sober for one day. Look at you"
Voice of Reason
Banned
I like how stupid he looked
"I fucked up"
Vire
Member
Ya the way that guy saw the endings was completely wrong, or else he is explaining it in a strange way.
indigo-cyclops
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TheIronChancellor
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I think the most important line during the drowning baptism is that Booker mentions that they were just there and Elizabeth says that it is a different place. Thus there are two baptisms, Booker prime's one that they had just visited and Comstock prime's which is where they are when the drowning takes place. This fits with the heads vs tails, and the bird vs cage thing, two events that are linked but different. Thus when he drowns in what was to become Comstock prime's baptism Comstock will not exist in any universe from that point, where as the Booker timeline will continue since it was a different place, as evidenced by Elizabeth's line about a different location. I think this probably could have been handled better by having player Booker drown pre-Comstock booker instead of Elizabeth doing it. Because Comstock never exists, Anna is never taken so that is why you have the post credit scene.
José Mourinho
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I'm not on board with that theory either. This guys videos have been good other than that. But that makes zero sense to me. How would Booker return from all this and then somehow end up turning in to Comstock in another loop? Regardless, we know he doesn't because we see him get drowned.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Was about to use this gif:
But I thought everyone agreed in here that old Elizabeth is the last one to pretty much know everything, hence why she gets the CAGE note after this scene...
to me, it was just one of many timelines he predicted would come true.
but you have a point. you guys should post comments so he will make an updated theory.
Yeah I have a feeling that guy is reading into that scene wrong. The more I think about it, it seems like Comstock's death was similar to Ryan's in B1. He was trying to make a point and the only was with his death.
BTW did they explain what was on the note? I'm guessing Elizabeth was telling herself to use Songbird to destroy the siphon instead of having Booker fight him (since he always loses).
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Yeah
MotionBlue
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Has nobody pointed out that Comstock had a literal roadmap to the different dimensions in his bedroom onboard the airship?
Forming a cult around yourself makes you wealthy. Look at Scientology
Forming a cult around yourself makes you wealthy. Look at Scientology
Voice of Reason
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ViewtifulJC
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the cage is somber, but there's something special about it
made a thread to debate the point noffles raised: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530991
MrPing1000
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True, makes it all the more curious as to how he teamed up with Lutece. Although an arrangement between them would be mutually beneficial, how would they have discovered eachother? I believe it also mentioned that he got government funding too, so he may not have been super weathy.
MDSVeritas
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Both the cage and the bird are the same in a way. Elizabeth was confined both by the cage that she was restricted to, and the bird (Songbird) that restricted her. They were both means of confinement.
ah, very cool
ViewtifulJC
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and she wore it around her neck, like a leash
Speaking of updated theory.
Can a mod fucking delete like the first few pages, and replace it with some official theories (and maybe a few videos and charts if someone wants to come up with one) instead of what we have now?
Just saying, because some new people who finished the game might want to know whats up, and it's hard to digest whats happening just going from post to post..especially if you felt lost.
MrPing1000
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I guess it was in a code that only she would know. We know she did a lot of stuff with codes, was observed doing it too, not outside the realm of possibility that she came up with her own code, that only she can read. That would be proof that it was from her future self.
Voice of Reason
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Also true. I love how such a minor decision can be applied in so many contexts.
MotionBlue
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Because of the relationship between Booker and Comstock. If Booker could understand it, Comstock would too, and could take steps to prevent it.
indigo-cyclops
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Yea I'm convinced he's reading that scene wrong. He's commenting heavily on the "self-criticism" of Booker towards Comstock and I think mistook this as evidence that Booker becomes Comstock through his self-loathing or something. As Elizabeth said, there are an 'infinite' amount of Comstock's, only killing the Prophet won't change anything.
The video did show me some things I totally missed. Like how the NYC bombardment scene takes place in 1983. Shit I can't believe I missed that.
ah yea, i saw the 1984 car billboard there. pretty cool and creepy.
Okay...
WHAT
THE
FUCK.
Damn..there are so many little things in Infinite that I feel like I missed.
Fuck, you could do a whole fucking literarry analysis on this fucking game. Man, O man. Fucking blows my mind that was '83 NYC.
I just finished; consider me mindfucked. I liked the Rapture cameo and maybe it's just me, but I liked the idea of Rapture in the context of her being kind of...mmm...outside the mortal coil? It's like she died and got "raptured". I usually hate time travel/universe travel due to the plot holes that it inevitably causes, but I liked the way it was used here.
I figured the solution to the problem was going to be Elizabeth killing herself, but I never figured that she'd kill herself by killing her Dad Booker at the moment he got reborn as Comstock, who needed a daughter from Booker because Elizabeth made him sterile, but she's his daughter....
X_X
Like I said, time/universe skipping causes too many holes to reconcile, but I'm not letting it bother me. The only part that doesn't totally make sense (that I can think of right now) is Slate (I think was his name...) being a contemporary of Booker's during the war, but somehow he doesn't realize that Booker has shown up as a much younger version of himself?
I figured the solution to the problem was going to be Elizabeth killing herself, but I never figured that she'd kill herself by killing her Dad Booker at the moment he got reborn as Comstock, who needed a daughter from Booker because Elizabeth made him sterile, but she's his daughter....
X_X
Like I said, time/universe skipping causes too many holes to reconcile, but I'm not letting it bother me. The only part that doesn't totally make sense (that I can think of right now) is Slate (I think was his name...) being a contemporary of Booker's during the war, but somehow he doesn't realize that Booker has shown up as a much younger version of himself?
indigo-cyclops
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Yea, there's even a Stock ticker for Fink MFG...
Voice of Reason
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This might be a very dumb question, but how was Comstock sterilized exactly?
I figured it was shitloads of radiation, but I'm basing that on nothing.
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