SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion
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Columbia appeared for the first time in 1893. Booker Dewitt was 18 years old.
Booker goes to Columbia in 1912, he is 37 years old. Considering old man Comstock looks at least 70 years old, I think it isn't a stretch to think he might have, at some point, travel through time. Seeing he has lived through those years, he could prophesize a lot of things and get rich.
I agree with you. I guess this game didn't click with me either.
Luteces said in the logs that Dewitt and Comstock are the same age. Comstock aged faster because of the machine. I never got the idea that anybody time-travelled (except for Elizabeth in the ending.) Just crossed dimensions.
I felt like we spent way too much time trying to get weapons for Daisy, but I guess the events were needed to establish the different timelines.
Revenge of the Jedi is shown when Elizabeth rips a tear through the Eiffel Tower panting.
It was a lil long but was somewhat of a good reveal in terms of the narrative.
That was the one time during the game where I legitimately went "oh God please just let this end already".
How many fights with her are there? Four? Five?
I like that the fight I expected with Songbird takes place in alternative universes and Booker fails every time. Songbird is a boss.
did you finish the game?
Ok, must have missed that.
My theory would have made more sense, considering a 20 year old Comstock founding Columbia is an inherently ridiculous notion.
I imagine the Infinite team are reading this thread and laughing at their screens.
rohlfinator
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Damn, what an ending. Reading through the thread now...
I'm only a few pages in, so maybe this theory has been floated already:
Maybe the final (post-credits) scene is a nod to Schrodinger's Cat / quantum mechanics -- basically, the idea being that Anna simultaneously does and doesn't exist in the room until Booker opens the door and observes the contents of the room. It doesn't really give the story any more closure, but it ties in neatly with the whole quantum mechanics / multiverse themes.
I'm only a few pages in, so maybe this theory has been floated already:
Maybe the final (post-credits) scene is a nod to Schrodinger's Cat / quantum mechanics -- basically, the idea being that Anna simultaneously does and doesn't exist in the room until Booker opens the door and observes the contents of the room. It doesn't really give the story any more closure, but it ties in neatly with the whole quantum mechanics / multiverse themes.
As Fink Industries started to drag on I went: "Oh, this is the part the reviews were talking about".
Given that this is where we learn about different universes that are only slightly different, I am amazed that I felt nothing was happened, but that's how I felt anyway. I guess it's because it was a kind of a narrative roadblock. I fought so much my way through an airship just to have a NPC I just found to throw me out with an absurd request. In the end, all you are doing is trying to get back the airship you already fought to conquer one time.
That's good, too. I was trying to think where to fit Schrodinger's Cat on somewhere specific and maybe that's really it.
Given that this is where we learn about different universes that are only slightly different, I am amazed that I felt nothing was happened, but that's how I felt anyway. I guess it's because it was a kind of a narrative roadblock. I fought so much my way through an airship just to have a NPC I just found to throw me out with an absurd request. In the end, all you are doing is trying to get back the airship you already fought to conquer one time.
That's good, too. I was trying to think where to fit Schrodinger's Cat on somewhere specific and maybe that's really it.
He had good people following him when it started. Slate for military, Fink for industry and Lutece for technology. That and considering he can look into infinite amount of universes to see what "works." Him having founded Columbia is totally plausible.
No, not yet.
yeh.. that whole thing with slate was lame.
WHY ARE YOU HERE? Spoilers~
There's a voxophone of Lutece in one of the cabins on the Hand of the Prophet that talks about how Comstock is rapidly ageing due to exposure to the tears. Lutece also says that other Comstocks didn't show such signs, which further solidifies the idea that this single version of Comstock is the problematic one: He's the only one that's been using the tears.
Dat fuckin' detail.
Dat fuckin' detail.
I don't see it being to ridiculous.
Especially when you consider there are 11 and 12 year old studying in Harvard and Stanford right now...than a 20 year old (who has an infinite amount of resources) building something so technically advanced doesn't seem to far fetched.
So my point being. Age is irrelevant. Intelligence, and this case his resources are.
God damn dude. Just try and finish the game.
If you don't like it after finishing it, than fine your justified to have your opinion.
But c'mon, please just finish it. I have a feeling something might just click for you.
I actually really enjoyed that section. I agree that it took longer than it should've (I think), but I didn't mind it at all. Had a lot of fun during that part story and gameplay-wise.
ArisenDragon
Member
My reaction to the ending.
Man. This thread. You posters.
So fucking brilliant. Honestly didn't think of that concept, or even schrodingers cat theory at all.
Fits really nicely indeed.
Damn, you guys are something else.
The story will come together if you keep playing.
How does a 20 year Comstock have an Infinite amount of ressources?
I get that the upper class is called the "Founders", and they probably kickstarted the city, but going from preacher to head oligarch theocrat is a huge freaking leap in the >1000 days that followed Wounded Knee.
I'm working on it but it's pretty boring.
To be fair, your not even that far into the game :-/
So either your really quick to give up on games..or you just didn't have interest in this from the get go.
Or I don't believe that I should sink several hours into a game before it gets good. I'll finish it and keep an open mind while playing but so far I'm not seeing all the hype.
Resources? Like going to multiple universes to get tips and advise on how to kickstart the world.
Songbird explanation would be nice.
You're not even enjoying the atmosphere at all? Maybe quit now.
Levine already said that the 3 dlc pieces would be about seperate characters and there adventures in columbia. There will be nothing extended ending wise. It's complete and finalized.
Just keep an open mind, like you said, and try to take it slow (rushing through in 1 sitting is horrible for this type of game).
An if the narrative ever becomes to complex for you, we can help break it down for you.,
It's not an issue of the narrative being too complex. It's an issue of the narrative not being that good.
What don't you like about the narrative dude?
Where are you in the game?
That's a relief to hear. I wonder which 3 characters we'll get to play as. Daisy and Slate seem to be two obvious ones.
A lot of the backstory is told through the voxophones so if you aren't picking those up and listening to them, I can see why you'd be uninterested or bored.
I just don't find it mind blowing like everyone else seems to. It's better than the vast majority of games but nothing that's complex that you need to grasp at or thought provoking watercooler moments like reviews would have you believe.
How far again did you say you were?
How could you understand that if you didn't even finish it where a lot of the mind blowing stuff is in the latter half?
Jesus, you're still pretty early...ok, discussion over.
The baptism scene occurred right after the battle of wounded knee.
At that point the timeline diverged.
Dewitt either atoned for his sins, accepted baptism and began Columbia.
Or he rejected the baptism, began drinking and gambling, eventually had Elizabeth/Anna, and then sold her to Comstock
Are you fucking serious right now?
famousmortimer
Banned
You don't know what you are talking about, and reading a spoiler thread about a game you are playing that is heavily driven by narrative is wasting your money IMO.
I look for them and listen when I do find them so I'm not missing anything there.
movie_club
Junior Member
AHH i thought that i was just making connections to my interests
You aren't going to miss anything, the story is very easy to follow.
The deep parts and the minuscule elements is what will take months to hash out.
disappeared
Banned
Like I said earlier this week, GAF was mostly doom-and-gloom on Infinite after Nirolak posted that thread about a few staff members leaving.
With people like Ken at the helm, there was never an issue.
Infinite is one of the best games that this industry has seen in a decade. For everybody to hit the Panic switch was ridiculous.
Raitosaito
Member
But you didn't finish it yet, so you likely haven't hit the "mindfucked" watercooler moment.
I wonder why you are even in this thread in a narrative focus game regardless of if you find the narrative bad or not. You don't discuss a novel with people without finishing it..
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