Bioshock Infinite 2.
SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion
- Thread starter thomasmahler
- Start date
Bioshock Infinite 2.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
well if we go with the convergence theory, here are my problems with that:
1. why does the multi verse of all things converge to one for bookers life decisions?
2. here's where we get to free will, if the universes are all identical at this point, then bookers brain must be identical in all universes, which means we would need pure randomness to affect his decision which sounds physically impossible.
we might be getting too far from the artistic intent perspective but i do think that because of the post credit scene we're suppose to assume that booker and anna are together in some universe.
Yes, totally possible
But those versions of Booker would be completely irrelevant since they wouldn't be setting in motion the destruction of the Sodom bellow.
As in a full sequel? Naw. I think this was the right way to end the series altogether. I wouldn't be against it tho. We already know 2K is hungry for it from a financial standpoint.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
I was actually dreading beating the game, because I knew I would most likely not go through it again. I really hate that I bought it digitally trough PSN and cant resell, but I'll always have it. The only way I will replay is after taking significant time away from it. For now, Ill just think about the experience I had.
jacksepticeye
Member
I don't like that idea personally, that happy ending scenario. It's nice and all but it's such a huge Cliche and terribly lazy writing. Ken obviously was always going to go more ambitiously.
It would have been cool if Booker ended up as the protagonist from Bio 1 but the more I think of that the more I don't like that either. It's cool as a Holy Sh!t moment but makes no sense and undermines both games
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
id be satisfied with levine doing new stuff for the rest of his career. these games take 4-5 years anyhow. i want to see a city in space.
Well it's an opening ending for a reason.
José Mourinho
cocknose
Yeah, but I presume the thinking is that getting rid of the decent Comstocks is a price worth paying. Basically, the afflicted universes are selfish assholes.
This is why it doesn't work in my opinion. I still love it, in theory. But when you use ideas like this, you leave so much open to scrutiny. And they can talk constants and variables all they want. But I think it's a bit of a cop out to say, Oh, this stuff changes because you know, multiverse and stuff.But on the other hand say,Oh, but this stuff doesn't change it's always the same.
jacksepticeye
Member
Nope, outside of DLC I wouldn't want another game set there. Never. It was perfect this time around (well maybe a bit more open would have been nice) but going there again completely destroys and wonderment in the place for both games then. Rapture lost a huge chunk of it's appeal in Bioshock 2. In Bio1 rapture was like a character, in Bio2 it was just there.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
theyre all brought into one universe though, to kill one universes booker.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
well then you end up at the 2 finite branches theory, which is what i subscribe to, though i think she killed the comstock booker rather needlessly killing both.
Voice of Reason
Banned
it's essentially removing the action of accepting the baptism. How else would the game show that whole event being removed ?
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
i think the action of accepting the baptism was removed, but the action of rejecting it was left.
toastyToast
Member
What about all the Bookers that chose to get baptised another day?
Terrordactyl
Member
Anyone else find the patriots and handymen to be hollow big daddy replacements? Thats one of my main gripes, there wasnt really that ominous enemy that could be right around the corner in this game. It was a good game no doubt but I think it came shy of bioshock for a lot of reasons.
I'm asian and am just happy that we were included in the game.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
only comstock is the racist one, his hyper racism was rationalisation for the slaughter of the natives at wounded knee.
Hey, my universe's Booker was a self-loathing racist in reform. He's trying ok.
José Mourinho
cocknose
they were not as fun to fight as the Big Daddies, sadly.
Inferno313
Banned
But he was ok when he was willing to kidnap a 19 year old and kill hundreds of people to do so?
Voice of Reason
Banned
Can't be. That's always assuming the "baptism rejected' timeline always existed and wasn't created in progress.
Yeah, you are killed right before you get to choose whether to be "reborn" or not. Thus eliminating Rejectful Booker and Reborn Booker.
That moment where you realized you looked down your daughter's blouse.
Also glad they included the Irish. Being white back then wasn't "white" enough for some people.
i have no regrets.
José Mourinho
cocknose
As a white Irish man I felt BioShock represented my plight.
I have no plight.
Terrordactyl
Member
I will say the animations on elizabeths facial expressions were amazing. Some of those expressions I've never seen in a game before. Really added a lot.
....FUCK.
But he was ok when he willing to kidnap a 19 year old and kill hundreds of people to do so?
There are many layers to this onion lol
That could be true. Now that I think about it, it's weird how in one world, the two sides of a class/race war were led by practically the same person
Probably Ideology.
People followed him because they agreed with what Comstock was saying, they wanted an ideal America and they were following true divinity.
The 'lower class' went there for work.
rohlfinator
Member
It's not just the afflicted universes, though -- "evil" Elizabeth has the power to rain death on every universe. She has a line of dialog alluding to this. It's not just 1984 New York that burns. That version of Columbia is a potential threat to everyone, everywhere, every time period.
Whiter men in the offices keepin us down. Throwing potatoes at us.
That would actually be fun.
jacksepticeye
Member
Terrordactyl
Member
The big negative for this game is how heavy handed it is with its themes. Theres a really fine line there and they were decent about it most of the time but it was kinda overkill with the commentary on so many issues.
What was the scene that supposedly made the art guy cry?
What was the scene that supposedly made the art guy cry?
i think one of those video machines said people left the Union with Comstock cuz they followed him or didn't believe in the US govt. not clear.
Also, the ability to tell the future probably helped.
jacksepticeye
Member
Probably the baptised born again Religious Zealot who is extremely racist
When they had to fucking tie Rapture to the game, probably. ;p
rohlfinator
Member
Presumably because Comstock has aged beyond recognition (and has a sick beard), but Booker still looks similar to how he looked at the time when he and Slate fought together.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
here's why i think the way i do with an illustration:
- is a single universe
{} is an infinite set of universes with some comonality
1. accepting the baptism
2. rejecting
this makes sense to me, one universe splitting into 2, splitting into an infinite number eventually. the number 2 universe leads to the post credits scene.
__- 1 (kill booker here)
-
__- 2
this means killing an infinite number of bookers, regardless of where you do it
__{} 1
{}
__{} 2
this means the universe splits into an infinite multiverse at an arbitrary point in time, but you could kill booker at the root, and you would have to to stop comstock. this also means that booker would have created the multiverse.
__{} 1
-
__{} 2
this is where the multiverse converges at finite moments but would suggest the multiverse revolves around booker.
___{} 1
{}-
___{} 2
Beards, man.
Terrordactyl
Member
I'm excited about the DLC packs for a few more stories in Columbia, but other than that, I agree that I'd rather see Ken do some new stuff.
Though I do hope they continue to do some little Easter Eggs, like they did with Rapture.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I tried reading through the thread but I couldn't find the answer. So was there consensus on what the post-credits scene was about?
Similar threads
- Poll