SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion

jacksepticeye said:
There is a LOT going on. That's one possibility. Also the fact that organised religion can turn you into a cult of sorts, like bloody Scientology. Also that religious extremists are very scary and sometimes they control way too much power
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More about reigion it seems to be about extreme beliefs or ideologies in general. In Shantytown it was clear that the Vox was "preaching" their way.
 
The dialogue of the people in the world bothered me in the same way that in Red Dead Redemption there were NPCs that kept saying over and over the same lines about how they hate the jeeeeeeeeeeeeeews.


Not to be all "MY IMMERSION!" But... MY IMMERSION!
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
There are actually moderates in the game, like the couple with the black refugees or the policeman that liked to drink with the Vox... the thing is that they are killed or silenced.

Is like Daisy said: Pick a side.

To the extreme of course, but makes thematic sense.
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It does, but as others have said it's A: a little boring and B: an unfulfilling representation of the timeframe and the people that lived through it. But it's obviously better than the vast majority of games - victim of its own success etc. etc.
 
LiK said:
oh, you mean the parts where she wasn't with you? maybe once in the beginning before i saved her.
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Then you've played multiple Bookers

Edit: Yes, that's the idea. Someone made a timeline and put in it that whenever The Lutece's interfere it's one time that a Booker died. The lighthouse, the raffle, etc.

Riposte said:
Does BioShock 2 work within the pattern established or is it a black sheep now?
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I mean, I don't see why it wouldn't. Nothing happens in it that are as big or universe(s) affecting as in Infinite.
 
Riposte said:
Does BioShock 2 work within the pattern established or is it a black sheep now?
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Well it's a continuation of the universe from bioshock 1. So yea it "should be"

However I have a feeling that to IG it basically is the black sheep. Which is a shame because I liked it.
 
Odrion said:
It wasn't the extremity of their beliefs that bothered it, it's that the only things anyone said or done were very blatant "WE ARE ESTABLISHING EXPOSITION." 99.9% of the things people talked about were either they really hated the other side, it made everyone seem like cardboard cutouts in a beautiful and vibrant world.
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But there is no really other side, they are the same coin :p .

(You also should note that the rich part of the city was pretty much made of religious fundamentalist and the other were pretty much slaves)
 
Gorillaz said:
Well it's a continuation of the universe from bioshock 1. So yea.

However I have a feeling that to IG it basically is the black sheep. Which is a shame because I liked it.
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gdt said:
I don't think Levine was really thinking about Bioshock 2 when he tied both games together but sure, why not.
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2 doesn't carry enough weight to affect Infinite, and Infinite introduces infinite possibilities, so I see no reason why it's not canon. Everything is 'canon'.
 
jacksepticeye said:
But their graves are empty and they're digging them themselves. So either their ghosts digging their own graves or something else is happening.
I really need someone to give me a run down on that properly (no offense man) cos I didn't get all the Voxophones.

On the topic of the voxophones too the audio is terribly handled at times. You're trying to listen to one and in game dialogue cuts across it or the other way round.
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It actually makes sense they were killed. Lady Comstock mentions that certain people were killed for Comstock's rise to power. Then ad in the fact that the twins are helping you the whole time, It's not hard to imagine that the twins jumped into the one dimension to help out Booker because it had the highest probability of succeeding and overthrowing Comstock.
 
Gorillaz said:
Well it's a continuation of the universe from bioshock 1. So yea it "should be"

However I have a feeling that to IG it basically is the black sheep. Which is a shame because I liked it.
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Bioshock 2 has the best combat out of any of the games. It has that going for it.
 
Does anyone have a compilation of all the little touches throughout the game that hint at the loop? I don't necessarily mean vox quotes but things like the "he doesn't row" and the always heads or whatever.

Or did no one get around to this yet :P
 
EliteArtist said:
It actually makes sense they were killed. Lady Comstock mentions that certain people were killed for Comstock's rise to power. Then ad in the fact that the twins are helping you the whole time, It's not hard to imagine that the twins jumped into the one dimension to help out Booker because it had the highest probability of succeeding and overthrowing Comstock.
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There's a audio log that basically has Lutece say that she doesn't think they're dead just warping around different dimensions.
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
But there is no really other side, they are the same coin :p
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That idea isn't really what I have a problem with, it's the flat execution of it.
LiK said:
the best combo of Bioshock 1's atmosphere with Infinite's combat, imo. highly undderated by GAF but eh, whatever. it had its own moments.
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Minerva's Den, Bioshock 2's DLC, is still the best piece of Bioshock content around. If anyone is atching for some more Bioshock and still hasn't played it yet: getitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetit.
 
Odrion said:
That idea isn't really what I have a problem with, it's the flat execution of it.

Minerva's Den, Bioshock 2's DLC, is still the best piece of Bioshock content around. If anyone is atching for some more Bioshock and still hasn't played it yet: getitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetit.
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Can I get it for PC? Would totally pick that and 2 up on the next steam sale.
 
LiK said:
yup, it's on PC. you have to get it through GFWL marketplace, iirc.
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Thanks, will do then. I always did like setting up the bolt traps and what not in 2.

gdt said:
2 is a good game. Minerva is even better. Both aren't anywhere close to BS1 and Infinite.

IMO of course.
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I'll give 2 the combat, one the entire package, but I think Infinite's beginning moments hit the sweet spot for me in terms of atmosphere.
 
I fucking love that Levine gave us something to talk about with that after credit scene.

An the amount of foreshadowing and small details that he scattered around the world and narrative is just a fanstastic treat to explore on my second playthrough.

Feels like a whole new playthrough almost..but instead of the "white noise" syndrome people were talking about, it's like i'm putting all the puzzle pieces together as I go.

Plus this thread in general is awesome, with so many knowledgeable intelligent members, with really good eyes and ears as well... and Infinite has just been an awesome game to discuss narrative wise. So much fun detailing the end, and narrative.

Honestly, can't remember the last time where I was excited to click on the spoiler thread to see what new clues you guys found or new explanations.

It's been a great, great treat :)

Thanks guys, and of course thank you Irrational and Mr. Levine.
 
-COOLIO- said:
here's why i think the way i do with an illustration:

- is a single universe
{} is an infinite set of universes with some comonality
1. accepting the baptism
2. rejecting


this makes sense to me, one universe splitting into 2, splitting into an infinite number eventually. the number 2 universe leads to the post credits scene.

__- 1 (kill booker here)
-
__- 2

this means killing an infinite number of bookers, regardless of where you do it

__{} 1
{}
__{} 2

this means the universe splits into an infinite multiverse at an arbitrary point in time, but you could kill booker at the root, and you would have to to stop comstock. this also means that booker would have created the multiverse.

__{} 1
-
__{} 2

this is where the multiverse converges at finite moments but would suggest the multiverse revolves around booker.

___{} 1
{}-
___{} 2
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i was hoping to get some mileage out of this awesome chart. is the multiverse discussion dead? :(
 
Someone explain how Booker and Comstock can exist in the same universe at the start of the game. Aren't they two versions of the same person in two different universes

At what point does the Booker who didn't want to baptize enter into the universe where he did baptize?
 
-COOLIO- said:
i was hoping to get some mileage out of this awesome chart. is the multiverse discussion dead? :(
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sorry, it's late and any multiverse deep discussion hurts my brain, :p

sp3000 said:
Someone explain how Booker and Comstock can exist in the same universe at the start of the game. Aren't they two versions of the same person in two different universes

At what point does the Booker who didn't want to baptize enter into the universe where he did baptize?
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it makes you wonder if Comstock was actually from a different universe and invaded opening Booker's world...
 
sp3000 said:
Someone explain how Booker and Comstock can exist in the same universe at the start of the game. Aren't they two versions of the same person in two different universes

At what point does the Booker who didn't want to baptize enter into the universe where he did baptize?
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Um, they simultaneously exist within the same world for most of the game. But it's like that because the Luteces sent Booker from his universe to Comstock's.
 
sp3000 said:
Someone explain how Booker and Comstock can exist in the same universe at the start of the game. Aren't they two versions of the same person in two different universes

At what point does the Booker who didn't want to baptize enter into the universe where he did baptize?
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lutece opens a tear for him.
 
Infinite may have some stuff about it that bugs me but yeah the back end of it is fucking greeeeeeeeaaaaaaat. It kicks all that dumb Vox vs. Founders shit to the side and goes full head on with the time plot. And then you actually get to fight from airship to airship and it felt like you were actually fighting in a suspended city in the sky again.
 
LiK said:
sorry, it's late and any multiverse deep discussion hurts my brain, :p
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Ha! Was going to post something similar. I finished it about 20 minutes ago. I'm still reeling from the Rapture shit. I can't be the only person who ignored Elizabeth and ran upstairs, right?
 
EliteArtist said:
It actually makes sense they were killed. Lady Comstock mentions that certain people were killed for Comstock's rise to power. Then ad in the fact that the twins are helping you the whole time, It's not hard to imagine that the twins jumped into the one dimension to help out Booker because it had the highest probability of succeeding and overthrowing Comstock.
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But why are the graves empty? and why are they even digging them?
 
I think the tears into the future stuff was underutilized. I was expecting part of the game to take place in the future and the past, back to the future style, as well as bringing in weapons and technologies that hadn't yet been invented. Instead, it was pretty much just music that was coming through.

And what was up with that ghost of lady comstock? I still think that was the most unexplained part of the game. Made zero sense and sort of just felt stupid.
 
Another nice touch of foreshadowing was the part where Elizabeth gets surprised that Booker didn't know about Columbia (when in the promotional material was pretty clear that it was common knowledge).
 
jacksepticeye said:
But why are the graves empty? and why are they even digging them?
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i think they were just being weird and making a point. similar to when you were on a Gondola and they were talking to you dancing and painting as you ascended. they're like the Cheshire Cat to me.
 
Double D said:
Ha! Was going to post something similar. I finished it about 20 minutes ago. I'm still reeling from the Rapture shit. I can't be the only person who ignored Elizabeth and ran upstairs, right?
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I had to stop and take in the atmosphere. Waited until the song finished and started looping as well. So good.
 
I'm not sure I'm grasping how Booker was also Comstock. I'm not sure what the setup is to allow for Booker to be in the same dimension as an alternate version of himself?
 
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