SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion

Can't find a bigger gif, but New York on fire/under attack looked gorgeous in game.

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Same goes for this...

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This game is utterly gorgeous. I can't wait to see it running on a mate's PC in a few days. 1080p on a 40" inch screen. Oh Lord.
 
There's definitely a fair amount of mystery surrounding the rest of The Founders, aside from Comstock. He was the leader, but there are others. I'm sure they play a role in the formation and founding of their movement, we just don't see much of it.

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megalowho said:
The U.S. Govt. was all for Columbia in the beginning before the Boxer Rebellion incident, including funding. This timeline details it better. I'd imagine the 50% tithe kept things flowing once they became a truly independent nation.
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This is an excellent timeline. The only bit that seems incorrect is the last item, in the '80s -- the final battle where Booker teams up with Songbird is set in the early 1900s, not the '80s.

Miles Quaritch said:
Can't find a bigger gif, but New York on fire/under attack looked gorgeous in game.

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Same goes for this...

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This game is utterly gorgeous. I can't wait to see it running on a mate's PC in a few days. 1080p on a 40" inch screen. Oh Lord.
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That whole sequence, from the second GIF (the start) to the first GIF (the end) was just... just... just magical.

Maybe "haunting" is the better word.
 
R dott B said:
Ok, just beat it. I must ask, what the hell happened at the end there?
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Well in my honest opinion, half the plot doesn't make sense. So good luck figuring out what happened cause everybody is just guessing.

megalowho said:
There's definitely a fair amount of mystery surrounding the rest of The Founders, aside from Comstock. He was the leader, but there are others. I'm sure they play a role in the formation and founding of their movement, we just don't see much of it.
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I like how Saltonstall's scalp has hair even though in the posters around Columbia he's bald.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Horde mode.
Skyrail Wave Based Action.
It's 4 Player
Everyone is a version of Booker
Everyone has thier own Elizabeth
Songbird is Kill-streak bonus
Level 50 is 25 Simultaneous Patroits!
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Is that supposed to be hard? Shock jockey fool!

Kylehimself said:
Well in my honest opinion, half the plot doesn't make sense. So good luck figuring out what happened cause everybody is just guessing.
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For a story revolving around a multiverse and time travel, the story actually leaves very little to deus ex machina and plot holes. The story is very concise and is really not that hard to fathom. A lot of us are arguing minor intricacies that all end up being the same end result anyway.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Horde mode.
Skyrail Wave Based Action.
It's 4 Player
Everyone is a version of Booker
Everyone has thier own Elizabeth
Songbird is Kill-streak bonus
Level 50 is 25 Simultaneous Patroits!
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Omg everyone Songbird now on the same spot

RAWRWWRRRR STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP RAWRRRRRRRRRR

fly away

Duck Hunt dog laughs at you
 
megalowho said:
There's definitely a fair amount of mystery surrounding the rest of The Founders, aside from Comstock. He was the leader, but there are others. I'm sure they play a role in the formation and founding of their movement, we just don't see much of it.
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I think you might've found the subject of at least one of the DLCs.

Kylehimself said:
Well in my honest opinion, half the plot doesn't make sense. So good luck figuring out what happened cause everybody is just guessing.
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Uhh, no. There are only a handful of things we're guessing on, but the overall structure of the narrative is pretty clear unless you have the attention span of Paris Hilton in a Philosophy lecture.
 
megalowho said:
There's definitely a fair amount of mystery surrounding the rest of The Founders, aside from Comstock. He was the leader, but there are others. I'm sure they play a role in the formation and founding of their movement, we just don't see much of it.
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The Founders got cut out. There was only one mentioned. And the ones you see. I think Levine cut them out because they wouldnt serve the story/pacing well.
 
claviertekky said:
Thinking about all of this, I suppose Ken Levine is done with Bioshock series.

No more Bioshock ever. See infinite possibilities + alternate parallel universes lolololololol. Almost passive aggressive attack on Bioshock 2. Y U MADE BIOSHOCK 2 2K?

What would the DLC season pass add? More pointless battles?
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Hopefully they add a New Game Plus.

Also, this thread:

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So great.
 
Kylehimself said:
Well in my honest opinion, half the plot doesn't make sense. So good luck figuring out what happened cause everybody is just guessing.
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Oh, well thanks for the heads up I guess. I was just wondering about the last scene where he gets drowned I presume. I got lost and don't know if Booker is the same dude as the prophet or what, damn me for eating a cheese danish and looking away.
 
Sorian said:
Songbird backstory!

Edit: And yes, it would be more pointless battles if they do a DLC based on the Booker that died as a martyr :/
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You play as a dude who, in the end, gets shot in the lighthouse. The same person you see at the start of the game.
 
Chake said:
You play as a dude who, in the end, gets shot in the lighthouse. The same person you see at the start of the game.
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Then you have explained the whole game. No Plot-holes anymore.

Neiteio said:
Hey, what WAS the deal with the murdered dude in the lighthouse? Something to subconsciously instill in Booker the notion he owed a debt to deadly people?

Even if that were the case, this would imply the Luteces killed someone to "set the stage." Although I supposed they could've just procured an already dead corpse and decorated it accordingly...
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Luteces did this because they wanted him to do it and not to be scared and just say bye.
 
Chake said:
You play as a dude who, in the end, gets shot in the lighthouse. The same person you see at the start of the game.
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Hey, what WAS the deal with the murdered dude in the lighthouse? Something to subconsciously instill in Booker the notion he owed a debt to deadly people?

Even if that were the case, this would imply the Luteces killed someone to "set the stage." Although I supposed they could've just procured an already dead corpse and decorated it accordingly...
 
What's the consensus about the ending post credits?

Booker is now in the reality that he never sold Anna away?

You don't even see what's in the baby crib.
 
R dott B said:
Oh, well thanks for the heads up I guess. I was just wondering about the last scene where he gets drowned I presume. I got lost and don't know if Booker is the same dude as the prophet or what, damn me for eating a cheese danish and looking away.
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It's easy to figure out, I promise. Just find a page and start reading. This entire thread is just us repeating ourselves.
 
Neiteio said:
Hey, what WAS the deal with the murdered dude in the lighthouse? Something to subconsciously instill in Booker the notion he owed a debt to deadly people?

Even if that were the case, this would imply the Luteces killed someone to "set the stage." Although I supposed they could've just procured an already dead corpse and decorated it accordingly...
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We presume that there was a lighthouse keeper (gatekeeper for Columbia) that killed the first Booker that set out for Columbia, probably under orders of Comstock. The twins saw this and kill him in every new reality so that it is an obstacle that Booker doesn't need to deal with. They did also use it as a tool to instill Booker with fear so that he wouldn't abandon his "mission"

R dott B said:
Gonna hold you to that promise, I choose page 88 to start.
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Hit me up if anything confuses you. I'll be happy to explain again once you have a foundation.
 
Neiteio said:
Hey, what WAS the deal with the murdered dude in the lighthouse? Something to subconsciously instill in Booker the notion he owed a debt to deadly people?

Even if that were the case, this would imply the Luteces killed someone to "set the stage." Although I supposed they could've just procured an already dead corpse and decorated it accordingly...
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Didn't somebody say that the guard was a kink in the timeline that the Luteces "smoothed over". Like that was one time Booker died, so they fixed that out of trial and error at one point.
 
Sorian said:
Idk about this, I don't see Fink as the type that is willing to invest money into theoreticals.
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To me seems the contrary. Not mentioning the tears, he seems pretty eager that Booker becomes his Security Chief even after he makes the other candidates try to lynch him.
 
SmithnCo said:
I want to play as the Luteces. The game becomes a puzzle game where you have to manage timeline shenanigans.
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Hmm, part of me really wants a side story exploring them in greater detail, while part of me says, "Let the mysterious Chesire Cat stay mysterious."
 
Sorian said:
Is that supposed to be hard? Shock jockey fool!



For a story revolving around a multiverse and time travel, the story actually leaves very little to deus ex machina and plot holes. The story is very concise and is really not that hard to fathom. A lot of us are arguing minor intricacies that all end up being the same end result anyway.
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GoddyofAus said:
I think you might've found the subject of at least one of the DLCs.



Uhh, no. There are only a handful of things we're guessing on, but the overall structure of the narrative is pretty clear unless you have the attention span of Paris Hilton in a Philosophy lecture.
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The deeper plot to this game has so much missing its not even funny.

Just on the last page I asked about Slate and nobody can give me an answer. Archangel, tell me about that? Vigors, how do they work? How do they not effect people like plasmids? Why are they constantly peddled around Columbia yet three people in the whole game use them? Why would the prophet even support their use? Plasmids makes sense in the world of Rapture with it's selfish citizens looking to constantly better themselves and become something they aren't. They seem out of place in Columbia. I could go on...
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
To me seems the contrary. Not mentioning the tears, he seems pretty eager that Booker becomes his Security Chief even after he makes the other candidates try to lynch him.
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That's just the rich eccentric man in him coming out. "Battle for my entertainment, the winner can be employed by me until I get bored with them."
 
Welp, that was a good page to start at because now all my questions are answered and my mind is on the wall behind my chair.
 
Kylehimself said:
The deeper plot to this game has so much missing its not even funny.

Just on the last page I asked about Slate and nobody can give me an answer. Archangel, tell me about that? Vigors, how do they work? How do they not effect people like plasmids? Why are they constantly peddled around Columbia yet three people in the whole game use them? Why would the prophet even support their use? Plasmids makes sense in the world of Rapture with it's selfish citizens looking to constantly better themselves and become something they aren't. They seem out of place in Columbia. I could go on...
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Because they are scared of them. Right at the beginning there were some guys who talked about them and one said that he will wait until some more people tested it.
 
Kylehimself said:
The deeper plot to this game has so much missing its not even funny.

Just on the last page I asked about Slate and nobody can give me an answer. Archangel, tell me about that? Vigors, how do they work? How do they not effect people like plasmids? Why are they constantly peddled around Columbia yet three people in the whole game use them? Why would the prophet even support their use? Plasmids makes sense in the world of Rapture and it's selfish citizens looking to constantly better themselves and become something they aren't. They seem out of place in Columbia. I could go on...
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I answered you about both Slate and Archangel already so you can go find those on your own. I'm willing to answer questions but I'm not willing to coddle you. We don't know how vigors work but, to be honest, we didn't know how plasmids worked eitehr other than ADAM was a power source. All we know here is that Salts are a power source, same deal. Near the beginning of the game, you can hear a couple talking about vigors. The woman states that she would love to try them but she is waiting for the problems to be rectified through Fink industries. This tells us that there is some type of downfall to using vigors that has the general populace scared to try them as of yet. She also says that she can't wait to have a go with them once Fink irons out the kinks. The populace has access to them and wants to use them but they are waiting for FDA approval as it were.

The prophet doesn't care what the people do. If anyone misbehaves, the songbird will off them without a second thought. As far as we are concerned, the songbird is infallible and can't be killed by normal means so he has no concerns of any black sheep in his flock.

Please go on..... everything you've listed is easy mode so far.
 
I haven't seen much talk about the proliferation of 80s music in the game and what role it plays. Its one of my biggest questions after finishing the game. Was this just meant to be cool and represent how all time periods are possible by using tears or something more? There were so many references in the game (carosel music at Battleship Bay was Cyndi Lauper, Tears for Fears in Emporia, Tainted Love in Shantytown) that I was expecting a more overt reference to the 1980s (not to mention the tear that Elizabeth opens and we see a Paris theater showing Return of the Jedi). Was the bombing of New York happening in the 80s?
 
Beernf said:
I haven't seen much talk about the proliferation of 80s music in the game and what role it plays. Its one of my biggest questions after finishing the game. Was this just meant to be cool and represent how all time periods are possible by using tears or something more? There were so many references in the game (carosel music at Battleship Bay was Cyndi Lauper, Tears for Fears in Emporia, Tainted Love in Shantytown) that I was expecting a more overt reference to the 1980s (not to mention the tear that Elizabeth opens and we see a Paris theater showing Return of the Jedi). Was the bombing of New York happening in the 80s?
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Yup, it was indeed.
 
Beernf said:
I haven't seen much talk about the proliferation of 80s music in the game and what role it plays. Its one of my biggest questions after finishing the game. Was this just meant to be cool and represent how all time periods are possible by using tears or something more? There were so many references in the game (carosel music at Battleship Bay was Cyndi Lauper, Tears for Fears in Emporia, Tainted Love in Shantytown) that I was expecting a more overt reference to the 1980s (not to mention the tear that Elizabeth opens and we see a Paris theater showing Return of the Jedi). Was the bombing of New York happening in the 80s?
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The bombing was happening in 1983, you can see the year on a billboard in the background. I believe all the 80s refrences were to forshadow this destruction.

R dott B said:
Welp, that was a good page to start at because now all my questions are answered and my mind is on the wall behind my chair.
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You're welcome :) Need any help processing anything?
 
Someone needs to go through and summarize theories and things agreed upon in the OP. That way when people ask we can just direct them there.
 
Beernf said:
I haven't seen much talk about the proliferation of 80s music in the game and what role it plays. Its one of my biggest questions after finishing the game. Was this just meant to be cool and represent how all time periods are possible by using tears or something more? There were so many references in the game (carosel music at Battleship Bay was Cyndi Lauper, Tears for Fears in Emporia, Tainted Love in Shantytown) that I was expecting a more overt reference to the 1980s (not to mention the tear that Elizabeth opens and we see a Paris theater showing Return of the Jedi). Was the bombing of New York happening in the 80s?
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The music comes from the brother of fink. He used the tears and copied the music from the future.

Edit: The bombing was really in the 80s? 70 years after the events of the normal timeline?
 
Ape_Agape said:
Someone needs to go through and summarize theories and things agreed upon in the OP. That way when people ask we can just direct them there.
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I'm just waiting for the inevitable hour youtube video were every little detail is pointed out and explained.

dark_inferno said:
I think the bombing was not in the 80s. More like the 30s-40s. And the music comes from the brother of fink. He used the tears and copied the music from the future.
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See my above post and as a counter to you, how would it be in the 30s-40s if Liz looks like she is in her 70s?

dark_inferno said:
Edit: The bombing was really in the 80s? 70 years after the events of the normal timeline?
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Correct, to be fair, that New York did have a lot of sky scrapers and looks like our New York of today.
 
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