Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4

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Shion said:
How, exactly?

All the big projects, like Destiny, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3 etc. are coming for the PS4 and Xbox 720.

Both publishers and developers want to move on.
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Big projects like Mario, Retro's game, Bayonetta 2 (too some people), and other games Nintendo will money hat and show at E3 aren't going to be for PS4/720 as well, that's what I'm saying.

As for Cyberpunk and Witcher 3, yeah it will be sad if they aren't coming to Wii U.

As for Destiny I will wait to see if it is or isn't coming to Wii U, they showed "My body is ready" a Nintendo meme and a Chain Chomp (also Nintendo) in the announcement video.

Shahed said:
You mean Nintendo would be stealing our games again :P
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It's possible, Nintendo has an act for stealing games :)
 
Heavy said:
It was one guy on Twitter who made a "death threat". Let's not kid ourselves here, the 'crazy' Nintendo fans are a different breed altogether compared to 'crazy' Xbox and Playstation fans. It's telling that all that people reference is the months old Bayonetta debacle when discussing Sony fanboys. That and the, what, year old Uncharted 3 thread? It's even more tame with Xbox... I can't remember the last time Xbox fans acted like crazies. Compare this to Nintendo's fanbase, every single day stuff like this comes up. It's not even close. Compare the amount.
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What amount? A minority across online forums/social networks that are way more outspoken than the rest? What about the Final Fantasy XIII Xbox 360 rumors/reveal, which led to the Square Enix /japanese expert meme". Or the "look at the tthe Last Guardian character looking at his creator in admiration" picture?

That's my point. A few '"fanboys" tend to be quite outspoken (for better and worse), yet an entire group are generalized and grouped together. Is the same when people refer to as "the NeoGAF" , or "why does NeoGAF thinks/hates/likes/etc."; there's no single entity, all fanboys are like that. Just that this is "the recent Nintendo thread", so of course Nintendo fanbabies/manbabies/fanboys/etc. are grouped together, becuase "that's how they are".

Putting aside Nintendo fanboys as "more crazy", is like saying that only Star Trek fanboys are crazy compared to Star Wars fanboys.
 
Heavy said:
It was one guy on Twitter who made a "death threat". Let's not kid ourselves here, the 'crazy' Nintendo fans are a different breed altogether compared to 'crazy' Xbox and Playstation fans. It's telling that all that people reference is the months old Bayonetta debacle when discussing Sony fanboys. That and the, what, year old Uncharted 3 thread? It's even more tame with Xbox... I can't remember the last time Xbox fans acted like crazies. Compare this to Nintendo's fanbase, every single day stuff like this comes up. It's not even close. Compare the amount.
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The Bayonetta 2 meltdowns were by far the worst ive seen. And im around since the N64 days.

EDIT: Not saying Nintendo fans cant be crazy. Bayonetta 2 however was off the charts.
 
MrNyarlathotep said:
How is pointing out that no games have been announced for the next xbox kidding myself?
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Well, it takes a very, very small amount of reading between the lines to infer that devs mean PS4 and the next Xbox when they say "next gen" or "top of the line" consoles. The games aren't confirmed for an unannounced system yet, no, but that doesn't mean you should assume numerous devs are going to launch on PS4 only until they specify otherwise.
 
Orayn said:
The more you insist on comparing, the worse you'll make it. As an avowed Nintendo fan who tries to be reasonable about this kind of thing, I'm kindly asking you not to pick the scab. It's really best for everyone if people try to stay away from "X FANS ARE LIKE THIS!" "OH YEAH, WELL Y FANS ARE LIKE THIS!" and just call out unreasonable behavior when it comes up.
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BlackJace said:
So fanboys are crazy, but Ninty fanboys are a special kind of crazy?
And you wonder why people think you're a waste of time, man.
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StevieP said:
This is delusion and you know it.

I've seen plenty of this in PS4 spec threads, and I've seen a similar amount in Xbox 3 spec threads.

Hyperactive fans are equally hyperactive fans, no matter if it's a sport, a console, a political ideology, or even a wrestler.

This thread is a great example of that, on ANY side of the spectrum. Your post exemplifies it.
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fernoca said:
What amount? A minority across online forums/social networks that are way more outspoken than the rest? What about the Final Fantasy XIII Xbox 360 rumors/reveal, which led to the Square Enix /japanese expert meme". Or the "look at the tthe Last Guardian character looking at his creator in admiration" picture?

That's my point. A few '"fanboys" tend to be quite outspoken (for better and worse), yet an entire group are generalized and grouped together. Is the same when people refer to as "the NeoGAF" , or "why does NeoGAF thinks/hates/likes/etc."; there's no single entity, all fanboys are like that. Just that this is "the recent Nintendo thread", so of course Nintendo fanbabies/manbabies/fanboys/etc. are grouped together, becuase "that's how they are".

Putting aside Nintendo fanboys as "more crazy", is like saying that only Star Trek fanboys are crazy compared to Star Wars fanboys.
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I shouldn't have said "more crazy", my point was that there's SO many more of them that act this way SO much more often than the Sony/MS versions, at least ones that are vocal. This is an undeniable fact. One of you just referenced the FF13 thing which was how many years ago? And nothing in the PS4/720 specs threads compares to all these Nintendo threads and reactions we've had over the past year... I've read them all, all the Sony/MS spec threads and none of them compare.

Alright, someone tell me the last time there was a Microsoft Xbox fanboy blow-up at the level of any of the debacles mentioned so far? Therefore, how is my point not accurate about the sheer amount and frequency in which Nintendo fans act this way?
 
MrNyarlathotep said:
How is pointing out that no games have been announced for the next xbox kidding myself?
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Because you made it sound like since they didn't mention Wii U, it's just as likely the next Xbox won't get the games either, which is laughable. Your post was pointless otherwise, as they said PC and high end consoles.
 
Orayn said:
Well, it takes a very, very small amount of reading between the lines to infer that devs mean PS4 and the next Xbox when they say "next gen" or "top of the line" consoles. The games aren't confirmed for an unannounced system yet, no, but that doesn't mean you should assume numerous devs are going to launch on PS4 only until they specify otherwise.
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I don't infer games without platform announcements are definitely ps4 exclusive anymore than I infer games without platform announcements are definitely never going to be on the wiiu.

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Baconsammy said:
The next Xbox sounds a lot like the current Wii U.
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Oh, I guess I missed the next xbox announcement and details. Link please?
 
Heavy said:
It was one guy on Twitter who made a "death threat". Let's not kid ourselves here, the 'crazy' Nintendo fans are a different breed altogether compared to 'crazy' Xbox and Playstation fans. It's telling that all that people reference is the months old Bayonetta debacle when discussing Sony fanboys. That and the, what, year old Uncharted 3 thread? It's even more tame with Xbox... I can't remember the last time Xbox fans acted like crazies. Compare this to Nintendo's fanbase, every single day stuff like this comes up. It's not even close. Compare the amount.
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There is no differentiating going on, anyone who is emotionally invested in a piece of plastic is typically unstable and often very immature.

In the WUST threads, back when i was only lurking, people were talking too much about the technical aspect, whether the Wii U could get this engine, but almost nobody was asking if Epic would even bother. People who brought up the GameCube and how it did not get all the third party support despite being more than capable were quickly chased off.

Do you care about the UE4 engine not coming to the Wii U because you wont be able to buy and play certain games that use this engine?

or

Do you care about the UE4 engine not coming to the Wii U because it affects the "console war" and makes people make fun of the Wii U and Nintendo?
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If it is the former, you can always invest in another console or upgrade your PC, yeah sucks that you have to spend a few more dollars.

If it is the latter, then you are too emotionally invested, if you seriously do not care about the games coming and have zero desire to play them then this should not bother you at all. "Console war" does not matter
 
Heavy said:
I shouldn't have said "more crazy", my point was that there's SO many more of them that act this way SO much more often than the Sony/MS versions, at least ones that are vocal. This is an undeniable fact. One of you just referenced the FF13 thing which was how many years ago? And nothing in the PS4/720 specs threads compares to all these Nintendo threads and reactions we've had over the past year... I've read them all, all the Sony/MS spec threads and none of them compare.

Alright, someone tell me the last time there was a Microsoft Xbox fanboy blow-up at the level of any of the debacles mentioned so far? Therefore, how is my point not accurate about the sheer amount and frequency in which Nintendo fans act this way?
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When is thelast time Sony or Micro screwed up like Nintendo is right now? Sony fanboys were just as bad in 2005-2008. Dont even try. The problem is the fanboy, not Nintendo fanboyism. Seriously stop.
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
What inevitable crunch? I understand Iwata has this fear, but the industry has always been obsessed with power. It's nothing new, and just because Nintendo's now thinking differently doesn't mean it's the "right way". If anything the wrong direction seems to be exactly what Nintendo's doing, and it's going to cost them going forward until they fall back in line with everyone else.
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Well I mean inevitable crunch/ collapse, wahtever you want to call it. This generation was built on a huge inflation bubble, and it's "sucess" was a false truth. It was false in that Sony and MS had to extend the normal cycle by 2 years to even begin to see some real success and even then, they never recouped all the loss revenue. And the wii, the under powered, "joke" of the industry sold 100 million, it was primarily responsible for the huge inflated growth of the prior generation, which Xbox then picked up on towards the end. Wii U, PS4 or Nextbox won't get close to 80 million, let alone 100 million.

Couple that with videogame systems no longer have that "cool tech" vibe they had in the past when these days people can get good looking games on their freaking Iphones and Ipads now, computer gaming is FAR cheaper than it has been for far better results, as seen by its growth last year. And Nintendo has proven that causal audience doesn't care about power, , they just want something different, unique to play. Wii U wasn't it so far, andi t has the most unique interface announced so far. PS4 is just the PS3 gone nuclear, it didn't work with the PS3. Nor the 360. The 360 saw a real "surge" once again, something new and unique launched in Kinect but Micosoft seems to be going a "Always on" crazy route.

So put everything together, along with the massive explosion that was THQ, the firing of EA's boss and Square's stepping down, the closure of studios like Bizzare Creations, that sold a decent amount of games and other numerous studios all being replaced with "mobile" studios. EA's focus now on a few core games as they shift to a more mobile focus, like Square seems to have been doing all along and yes I would say it's an inevitable crunch. Well perhaps I should say the home console business, its inevitable.
 
I want to say that I'm surprised that Heavy is actively trying to argue that a group of fanboys outnumber another, but I honestly can't.

You can "look" all you want, but the fact remains that people see what they want to see. I could say that Sony fanboys rule this forum yet I would be immediately challenged. Why? People have different interpretations of what fanboyism is.
Fanboys are the problem, not Ninty fanboys, not Sony fanboys, not MS fanboys.
 
shinobi602 said:
I believe they said "high end consoles". They're coming to 720, don't kid yourself.
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To add to this, while it's true that the PS4 version of The Witcher 3 is the only next-gen project CDPR has formally announced, the company's 2014 and 2015 "AAA+" titles were confirmed a year ago to be simultaneous multi-platform releases (PC and "new consoles"), and one can confidently infer that the former is The Witcher 3 and the latter Cyberpunk.
 
ColdBlooder said:
The Bayonetta 2 meltdowns were by far the worst ive seen. And im around since the N64 days.

EDIT: Not saying Nintendo fans cant be crazy. Bayonetta 2 however was off the charts.
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Bayonetta 2?

That game that sold maybe ~1 million world wide? I mean who fucking cares about Bayonetta outside of a small fanbase?
 
MrNyarlathotep said:
How is pointing out that no games have been announced for the next xbox kidding myself?
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Because the next Xbox hasn't been announced at all? People can't announce their game is coming to a platform when that platform doesn't even have an official name yet.

If it isn't published or funded directly by Sony or Microsoft every game this next generation will be going to both platforms.
 
So I think nintendo was 100% wrong in making the wiiu what it is. I think publishers have every right to not want to port games to the wii.

But the fact remains the UE4 will run on the wii u. Why hasn't this been updated to the thread title?
 
pixlexic said:
So I think nintendo was 100% wrong in making the wiiu what it is. I think publishers have every right to not want to port games to the wii.

But the fact remains the UE4 will run on the wii u. Why hasn't this been updated to the thread title?
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When someone other than Epic ports it over then we can ask the mods to update the title. Until then the title is accurate.
 
pixlexic said:
So I think nintendo was 100% wrong in making the wiiu what it is. I think publishers have every right to not want to port games to the wii.

But the fact remains the UE4 will run on the wii u. Why hasn't this been updated to the thread title?
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If the Wii-U is not supported by Epic, then how would UE4 run on the Wii-U exactly?
If you're saying that it's technically possible, then I agree. That's not what this thread is about though, the title is accurate.
 
pixlexic said:
So I think nintendo was 100% wrong in making the wiiu what it is. I think publishers have every right to not want to port games to the wii.

But the fact remains the UE4 will run on the wii u. Why hasn't this been updated to the thread title?
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Give it a rest. The thread title is accurate.
 
BlackJace said:
I want to say that I'm surprised that Heavy is actively trying to argue that a group of fanboys outnumber another, but I honestly can't.

You can "look" all you want, but the fact remains that people see what they want to see. I could say that Sony fanboys rule this forum yet I would be immediately challenged. Why? People have different interpretations of what fanboyism is.
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In terms of vocal, defensive, "protect the hive" mentality fanboys, Nintendo clearly outnumber Sony and MS' versions, at least on here (I don't read any other gaming forums). Go visit any of these Nintendo-related threads about quotes from devs, about rumors, about random articles/opinion pieces, on NeoGAF over the past 1-2 years and read the countless defensive, persecuted, snarky replies directed at anyone criticizing the company and its decisions. Or how about the mega-threads.

Now compare that to Microsoft and Sony. Compare the amount and the sheer level of devotion, even in the midst of glaring, obvious strategic blunders. They're not in the same ballpark in terms of numbers and frequency. The proof is a search click away.

*** Now if that's because Nintendo has made that many more mistakes than Sony and MS over the past couple of years (meaning more wood for the fire) is up for debate and, if true, is entirely their fault.
 
ClovingWestbrook said:
When someone other than Epic ports it over then we can ask the mods to update the title. Until then the title is accurate.
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Seems pretty silly to ignore the fact that it can run on the wiiu which is the whole discussion. Lots of people here were trying to say its not technically possible.
 
YodaGoneMad said:
Because the next Xbox hasn't been announced at all? People can't announce their game is coming to a platform when that platform doesn't even have an official name yet.

If it isn't published or funded directly by Sony or Microsoft every game this next generation will be going to both platforms.
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That's quite a bold statement to make on absolutely zero evidence.

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Heavy said:
In terms of vocal, defensive, "protect the hive" mentality fanboys, Nintendo clearly outnumber Sony and MS' versions, at least on here (I don't read any other gaming forums). Go visit any of these Nintendo-related threads about quotes from devs, about rumors, about random articles/opinion pieces, on NeoGAF over the past 1-2 years and read the countless defensive, persecuted, snarky replies directed at anyone criticizing the company and its decisions. Or how about the mega-threads.
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Now go visit any "xbox live should be free" thread or Digital Foundry Face Off thread to get a more accurate sample than only visiting nintendo threads.
 
pixlexic said:
Seems pretty silly to ignore the fact that it can run on the wiiu which is the hole discussion. Lots of people here were trying to say its not technically possible.
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That's not the whole discussion. The discussion is about Epic not bothering to port and support the engine for Wii U, and what implications that has.
 
Heavy said:
In terms of vocal, defensive, "protect the hive" mentality fanboys, Nintendo clearly outnumber Sony and MS' versions, at least on here (I don't read any other gaming forums). Go visit any of these Nintendo-related threads about quotes from devs, about rumors, about random articles/opinion pieces, on NeoGAF over the past 1-2 years and read the countless defensive, persecuted, snarky replies directed at anyone criticizing the company and its decisions. Or how about the mega-threads.

Now compare that to Microsoft and Sony. Compare the amount and the sheer level of devotion, even in the midst of glaring, obvious strategic blunders. They're not in the same ballpark in terms of numbers and frequency. The proof is a search click away.

*** Now if that's because Nintendo has made that many more mistakes than Sony and MS over the past couple of years (meaning more wood for the fire) is up for debate and, if true, is entirely their fault.
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It's like you ignored the entirety of my post.
 
MrNyarlathotep said:
Now go visit any "xbox live should be free" thread or Digital Foundry Face Off thread to get a more accurate sample than only visiting nintendo threads.
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I've read those XBL price threads as well. The level of defensiveness and snarky, condescending tone isn't at the same level, as well as the frequency/amount. There's little to no persecution complex in play, either. Certainly not at the level we've seen here...

ClovingWestbrook said:
That was to heavy but also applies to pixle.
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I'd never, ever PM a mod to tattle on someone. That's crazy. There's guys in Wrasslegaf who have tattled on each other and got people banned which just blew me away. How do you do that to your own kind...
 
Nintendo fans have the extra indignation of being fans of the company with the youngest target audience, which gives them a major persecution complex. It's kinda like bronies.
 
ClovingWestbrook said:
That was to heavy but also applies to pixle.
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Why have you same few guys fought this so hard in this thread? I have barely posted in this thread at all so I'm not sure why you are pointing me out, But you guys have been banging away at it constantly since the beginning.

What do you get out of this?
 
Hoo-doo said:
If the Wii-U is not supported by Epic, then how would UE4 run on the Wii-U exactly?
If you're saying that it's technically possible, then I agree. That's not what this thread is about though, the title is accurate.
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I disagree it is technically impossible. It doesn't meet the minimum specs.
 
Kimawolf said:
I think he's saying that Nintendo can't afford to go bankrupt on hardware because they don't have anything else. Sony really can't either but they don't seem to care, and MS has grander, loftier goals in mind. And I think Nintendo now has resigned to the fact that they won't be getting 3rd party support from the major Western devs and publishers so they are changing focus to indies and trying to get more Japancentric in their approach.

And you have to remember, Iwata has stated countless times he sees the industry going in the wrong direction, so obsessed with power at the expense of everything else, including pricing for platform holders and gamers, and as such he is trying to avoid the inevitable big crunch that's coming.
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Iwata seems to forget that the industry has, for me since the Spectrum and C64 and through the consoles, PC graphics cards always been about pushing technology and power, the industry was not going there ........ it has always been there.


And for his "philosophy" on "low power - low cost" ................... The 3DS is a poor spec and cheaply made and it released at the same price the Vita did and I guarantee that the next machines from Sony and MS will not be much further North than the price point the Wii U released at, which is hardly cheap and its is low power.



Nintendo philosophy is not "low power - low cost" ............ it low power, cheaply made and high margin, and its not working, especially for the Wii U.

The Wii U does not represent a generational jump to the people who have played 360 and PS3 for 7 years, and that's why most of them won't touch it with a barge pole, it represents a sideways step and not a forward leap and it is has hurt them.


You can state about "no games" but the perception of the Wii U is not about the lack of games, most perceive to be an underpowered turkey that next gen games will be skipping, and we are hearing that from all and sundry.
 
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