Kobe Bryant likely has a torn achilles tendon

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BigJonsson said:
Skating is really, really hard on your knees and ankles
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No kidding. The point is there is no training to pick up a ball and start shooting it. Most of the players in the NBA I'd assume were never exposed to hockey while growing up. So no shit they probably cant skate. Says nothing about the skill of skating but rather the different culture and ease of access to hockey that the NBA players experienced while growing up.
 
ClovingWestbrook said:
What a compelling argument.

'Derp I doubt many swimmers could cross country ski but I bet most cross country skiers can swim, derp.'

Cross country sking takes more skill! See!!
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Who mentioned anything about skill? Derp.

MooseKing said:
There are a number of hockey players who are as athletic as basketball and or football players. They just do not have the height or skill in the sport to ever play basketball.
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Pretty much. Like I said, I imagine a handful of elite NHL players could keep up. That's about it.
 
ph33nix said:
Well, this really doesn't deserve its own thread. Did we make one when Rose tore his ACL? It's a sports injury, they happen, they suck, yeah it happened to Kobe, but he's just another basketball player.

With that being said---was there really any point of a few specific hockey fans in here to come out and puff their tough guy chest? People being dicks about it makes a lot of hockey fans look like attention craving douches
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Rose isn't Kobe. The only other player that would get a thread like this is Bron.
 
I'm strangely not super depressed like I thought I'd be. It'd have hurt much more if we actually had a chance to contend this year. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise and Kobe can rest up for one last run.

It really sucks that we traded our picks for fucking Nash though. Ugh...

PS: I will bet anything he's back by January
 
theignoramus said:
which happens all the time to players that attack the basket.
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Yet basketball is not considered a physical game on the same level as the NFL or NHL. Can you skate faster than you can run? I would imagine so. When is the last time a player got ktfo attacking the basket? Because it happens quite a bit in the NHL/NFL on checks/tackles. There is no comparison really.
 
ph33nix said:
Unfortunately height is a pretty big damn thing. Otherwise Chris Quinn would be a hall of famer.



meh, I would prefer we don't call each others sports 'shit' ... that's what made this thread a giant clusterfuck anyways when we had people coming in to say "bball players are pussies!"
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but the NHL is shit. but you see the difference is that I'm clearly voicing an opinion and not trying to pass it on as a fact.

it's the same reason why I'd never go into an NHL-related thread
 
ph33nix said:
Unfortunately height is a pretty big damn thing. Otherwise Chris Quinn would be a hall of famer.
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It is, but height is not being atheletic.

Rick Nash, for example, coming into the NHL was 6 foot 4, 220 pounds. Benching more than virtually any NBA player his height when they were entering the NBA. He could have went to the NCAA on a football scholarship, has hand eye coordination second to none (which, similar to height in the NBA, is hockey's main talent), and is insane agility for someone his size. He can also jump.

It's hard to compare NHL players after they been in the league. The reason being they change their body to adapt. They aren't going to be spending time on workouts to make themselves jump higher. Instead they will focus more on hand eye coordination and power. This changes their body drastically.

You adapt your body to the sport you play. A hockey player won't want to turn himself into a basketball player, and vice-versa.

It's a tough comparison.

Another guy is Chara, who is 6 foot 9 255 pounds

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If he focused on basketball and built his body for that sport, then obviously he would be athletic enough to compete. Developing the skill of the sport is not in discussion, thats another story.
 
Are all the people complaining about Kobe getting his own thread from NBA gaf? Because not everyone wants to get news like this from a mega thread (or have the time to surf through one).
 
numble said:
You keep bringing personal experience into this, so what are the characteristics of your time playing basketball? Full-court/half-court? Length of shot clock? Level of competition?
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The same as hockey, does it matter? I've never played Basketball professionally. Hockey is harder to play imo, I don't know why you're so upset by that statement.

pompidu said:
And I agree, I didn't make that claim originally, lamaroo did.



I played soccer, full 90 min in mid. That is fucking exhausting. Not saying that there is a correlation between the two but throwing out that Hockey requires more effort than basketball, is at best your own opinion.
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I played soccer growing up too. It's just no possible to stay on the ice the entire game unless you're putting in no effort whatsoever. How often are Basketball players running at full speed?

It is my opinion, but I'm betting my opinion is backed up by many, including "experts".
 
lamaroo said:
Do you understand the concept of digging into the ice to skate, and the pressure that pits on your Achilles?
Bracing yourself for impact?

Btw, this was your post that started this whole argument, "So you're comparing an AT injury in a sport where you ice skate, to one where you have to run, make cuts, stop on a dime, change direction etc?"

The answer is yes you do in fact do all of that in hockey, except run.
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Yeah I do. But what you don't seem to get is that you still slide. Even when you do a dime stop. Even when you make your cut.
 
Red Blaster said:
no other major sport needs to have sanctioned fist-fighting in order to keep things interesting

there's a reason why nhl playoff games had to be relegated to the fucking versus network
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No, instead you have sports filled with fake thugs and cowards like the NBA. Sorry, but if you try and be punk like KG, you are going to get KO'd in the NHL. I don't see anything wrong with this.

It's a self policed sports. Which is why it isn't filled with cowards like the NBA.

and I like the NBA MORE than the NHL...I am just not delusional.
 
lamaroo said:
The same as hockey, does it matter? I've never played Basketball professionally. Hockey is harder to play imo, I don't know why you're so upset by that statement.
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I'm not upset; I'm trying to assess how you come to your personal conclusions about basketball. With hockey, you often need some organization to play it, especially if you talk about playing in shifts, while pick-up basketball is easy to do in any playground. From my experience, just having a shot clock changes the dynamic a lot, as does going full court and playing 5 on 5. You can however, play 3-on-3 half court without a shot clock, and still say you've played basketball before.
 
Kobe24 said:
Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney
Dr says Kobe may lose 1-2 in off his vert. When he returns:"80% is realistic, could be 90% bc of how hard he works. It won’t be 100% though”



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Surgeon says Kobe could be back in 6 mos if AT is torn:"I would guess he would be on the short end of the recovery rather than the long end"


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Still, more likely Kobe timeline is 9-12 mos: "For someone playing at the level that Kobe plays at, you’d expect it to be nine months."
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Oh, then Kobe will be back before lunch tomorrow. Cool.
 
Flash said:
but the NHL is shit. but you see the difference is that I'm clearly voicing an opinion and not trying to pass it on as a fact.

it's the same reason why I'd never go into an NHL-related thread
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I actually like the game of hockey and playing it, and watching it can be fun too, I just don't prefer sports as much where there are periods of time where it feels like you're watching people skate/run around without much scoring. But I appreciate all the intricacies each one brings

I don't know whose fault it is but the NHL or whatever has done a really shitty job getting people to watch their games who aren't actively seeking it out on a nightly basis
 
numble said:
I'm not upset; I'm trying to assess how you come to your personal conclusions about basketball. With hockey, you often need some organization to play it, especially if you talk about playing in shifts, while pick-up basketball is easy to do in any playground. From my experience, just having a shot clock changes the dynamic a lot, as does going full court and playing 5 on 5. You can however, play 3-on-3 half court without a shot clock, and still say you've played basketball before.
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Go visit Canada for like, 12 hours in the summer. You are going to see tons of people playing hockey everywhere. You don't need an organization to play hockey. Only if you want a league. You can also go to rinks and play certain days just like doing runs at a community center or indoor court.
 
MooseKing said:
No, instead you have sports filled with fake thugs and cowards like the NBA. Sorry, but if you try and be punk like KG, you are going to get KO'd in the NHL. I don't see anything wrong with this.

It's a self policed sports. Which is why it isn't filled with cowards like the NBA.

and I like the NBA MORE than the NHL...I am just not delusional.
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was Todd Bertuzzi laying a guy out from behind part of this manly behavior you speak of?
 
Triple U said:
Yeah I do. But what you don't seem to get is that you still slide. Even when you do a dime stop. Even when you make your cut.
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It doesn't matter how much you slide, you're stopping at higher speeds in hockey than Basketball more often. Basketball players rarely ever run full speed, and they don't have to deal with trying to keep their balance while a guy runs into you travelling the speed they are in hockey.

Each sport requires a different set of skills, and muscles, I'm sure we all agree. Your first statement was still ridiculous considering all of those terms are used in hockey to describe the agility skills any player needs to compete.
 
MooseKing said:
Go visit Canada for like, 12 hours in the summer. You are going to see tons of people playing hockey everywhere. You don't need an organization to play hockey. Only if you want a league. You can also go to rinks and play certain days just like doing runs at a community center or indoor court.
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That is why I said you "often need some organization, especially if you talk about playing in shifts." If you can arrange shifts, that's some organization.
 
MooseKing said:
No, instead you have sports filled with fake thugs and cowards like the NBA. Sorry, but if you try and be punk like KG, you are going to get KO'd in the NHL. I don't see anything wrong with this.

It's a self policed sports. Which is why it isn't filled with cowards like the NBA.
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Every sport has a lot of cowards, but basketball is hard to self police because teams don't want to give up points just for a dumb tech or flagrant or ejection

Whereas in hockey or football you can give somebody an extra nudge or shove when officials aren't looking and no one will blink an eye

I will agree though KG is a punk ass bitch and should stop going after small euros and white guys
 
numble said:
That is why I said you "often need some organization, especially if you talk about playing in shifts." If you can arrange shifts, that's some organization.
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Shifts is the same as people subbing in from the bench in basketball. You don't need to do it to play the sport.
 
MooseKing said:
Shifts is the same as people subbing in from the bench in basketball. You don't need to do it to play the sport.
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I am talking about his personal experience. He said he played in shifts, so that means he played hockey with some sort of organizing.
 
MooseKing said:
No, instead you have sports filled with fake thugs and cowards like the NBA. Sorry, but if you try and be punk like KG, you are going to get KO'd in the NHL. I don't see anything wrong with this.

It's a self policed sports. Which is why it isn't filled with cowards like the NBA.

and I like the NBA MORE than the NHL...I am just not delusional.
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Says more about the NHL and its "quality," doesn't it?
 
I see NHL fans coming in here and derailing the thread and thumping their chest.
Petty and pathetic.

Next time there's a NHL news worthy of a thread, I'll be sure to call upon my NBA bretherens and shit and derail that thread.

Oh that's right, were not insecure about our sport. Carry on.
 
lamaroo said:
It doesn't matter how much you slide, you're stopping at higher speeds in hockey than Basketball more often. Basketball players rarely ever run full speed, and they don't have to deal with trying to keep their balance while a guy runs into you travelling the speed they are in hockey.

Each sport requires a different set of skills, and muscles, I'm sure we all agree. Your first statement was still ridiculous considering all of those terms are used in hockey to describe the agility skills any player needs to compete.
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Lol that's the thing that matters the most. It's about having the ability to disperse momentum thru a sliding movement versus absorbing most all of it at a single point with almost no help from the ridiculously tractioned shoes.

And you didn't even understand the first post, the operative word is run.
 
theignoramus said:
was Todd Bertuzzi laying a guy out from behind part of this manly behavior you speak of?
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Nobody said it doesn't happen. I said when it does, the person is dealt with. Guys like KG can elbow you in the ribs, throat, push you, trip you, and sometimes injure you knowing nothing can happen to them. They run behind a ref, put their hands in the air and that is the end of it. If KG knew every time he fucked with an undersized player, someone his size was going to hit him in the face, he WOULDN'T DO IT.

We have all seen NBA fights. Of all the fights I have seen none of these guys know how to throw a punch. NEver have I see a proper punch thrown. It's mainly girly slaps and world star hiphop combat. This is because they are not tough.

The only reason it even bothers me is because they ACT like they are tough. If NBA players didn't act this way, and didn't do dirty shit b/c they can get away with it like school yard bullies, it would not even be an issue. Not to mention the toughest guys in the league, who know how to fight and can handle themselves, NEVER DO dirty shit like that. They don't run around acting tough. It's always the cowards.
 
MooseKing said:
No, instead you have sports filled with fake thugs and cowards like the NBA. Sorry, but if you try and be punk like KG, you are going to get KO'd in the NHL. I don't see anything wrong with this.

It's a self policed sports. Which is why it isn't filled with cowards like the NBA.

and I like the NBA MORE than the NHL...I am just not delusional.
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I think your view of things is colored because you watch a lot of the Raptors.
 
hockey fans are the most annoying

your sport is shit. nobody watches it. it's shown on the versus network. nobody cares.
 
Herpes Reasons said:
I see NHL fans coming in here and derailing the thread and thumping their chest.
Petty and pathetic.

Next time there's a NHL news worthy of a thread, I'll be sure to call upon my NBA bretherens and shit and derail that thread.

Oh that's right, were not insecure about our sport. Carry on.
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i dont know if youve read this thread but there are tons of insecure basketball posters on this forum
 
i feel bad for kobe, what a bad way to end a career. even if he does come back, he wont be anywhere as good as before, and it'll seem like he was just terrible to end.
 
lamaroo said:
It doesn't matter how much you slide, you're stopping at higher speeds in hockey than Basketball more often. Basketball players rarely ever run full speed, and they don't have to deal with trying to keep their balance while a guy runs into you travelling the speed they are in hockey.

Each sport requires a different set of skills, and muscles, I'm sure we all agree. Your first statement was still ridiculous considering all of those terms are used in hockey to describe the agility skills any player needs to compete.
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wat. someone knows nothing about perimeter D.
 
Smokey said:
hockey fans are the most annoying

your sport is shit. nobody watches it. it's shown on the versus network. nobody cares.
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I said damn. Bish might fuck your world. I quoted just in case your balls decide to hide behind your lungs and you change the post.
 
MooseKing said:
We have all seen NBA fights. Of all the fights I have seen none of these guys know how to throw a punch. NEver have I see a proper punch thrown. It's mainly girly slaps and world star hiphop combat. This is because they are not tough.

The only reason it even bothers me is because they ACT like they are tough. If NBA players didn't act this way, and didn't do dirty shit b/c they can get away with it like school yard bullies, it would not even be an issue. Not to mention the toughest guys in the league, who know how to fight and can handle themselves, NEVER DO dirty shit like that. They don't run around acting tough. It's always the cowards.
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Or because if they actually land a punch they will get docked for a ton of game checks and be suspended and have shame brought to them?

It's a totally different sport, dude

And I know what you are getting at---there are fake tough guys all over the league (See: Kendrick Perkins) but you are rarely ever going to see any actual fighting
 
charsace said:
I said damn. Bish might fuck your world. I quoted just in case your balls decide to hide behind your lungs and you change the post.
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not surprising

you're a fan of a dude who hit somebody and literally back pedaled the entire length of the court to get away
 
Bunch of grown men in here (allegedly) getting pretty emotional over hockey just because their hero is hurt lol
 
bjb said:
I think a handful of elite NHL players could keep up athletically playing basketball. Sans being able to shoot or make plays.

Meanwhile, I doubt many NBA players can even skate to begin with.
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No, they wouldn't be able to keep up athletically, there's thousands of great athletes who have played College ball that can't even step foot on an NBA court.


And, why not remove the skates from the equation and drop all these guys into a decathlon type setting, my money would be on someone from the NFL or NBA to win it. I doubt there's anyone in the NHL coming within a mile of Russell Westbrooks speed & agility.
 
abuC said:
No, they wouldn't be able to keep up athletically, there's thousands of great athletes who have played College ball that can't even step foot on an NBA court.


And, why not remove the skates from the equation and drop all these guys into a decathlon type setting, my money would be on someone from the NFL or NBA to win it. I doubt there's anyone in the NHL coming within a mile of Russell Westbrooks speed & agility.
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I think we all can agree that Russell Westbrook is an idiot though.
 
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