Kobe Bryant likely has a torn achilles tendon

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lamaroo said:
Certainly my experience wouldn't translate to the NBA or NHL, but from experience I exhausted much more energy per shift playing hockey than I did playing basketball. Again that was a throwaway statement though not meant to be taken too seriously, probably should have just left it out considering it didn't really have anything to do with correcting the mistakes of that other poster.

No other hockey league compares to the NHL either in the same way as your example.
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I don't think you can make a judgement based on your own experience. Especially since "playing basketball" can mean many things, with the most popular forms not even using a full-court or even using a shot-clock or time limit to get across half-court. I've encountered different levels of exhaustion playing basketball, half-court, pick-up, indoors, with a shot clock, etc. I was extremely exhausted just sprinting up and down on a 35 second clock, after being well-conditioned for full-court games without a shot clock.


Going back to just the injury itself, an Achilles injury will dramatically effect your ability to jump and land, which are extremely important in basketball.
 
pompidu said:
not to rip on hockey but you also get a break every 30 seconds. dont make any sense.
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Sure, but in basketball, players slowly walk up the court every 30 seconds, and the whistle is blown every minute(no citation sorry). I'm not trying to rip on the NBA here either, just countering your post.

numble said:
I don't think you can make a judgement based on your own experience. Especially since "playing basketball" can mean many things, with the most popular forms not even using a full-court or even using a shot-clock or time limit to get across half-court. I've encountered different levels of exhaustion playing basketball, half-court, pick-up, indoors, with a shot clock, etc. I was extremely exhausted just sprinting up and down on a 35 second clock, after being well-conditioned for full-court games without a shot clock.


Going back to just the injury itself, an Achilles injury will dramatically effect your ability to jump and land, which are extremely important in basketball.
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I'm just talking about personal experience now. The act of skating itself is harder than walking and running. Stopping on skates requires you to dig into the ice, as does getting started again, with is much harder than stopping and starting on feet. The act of shooting a puck is much harder than shooting a basketball.
 
Well, this really doesn't deserve its own thread. Did we make one when Rose tore his ACL? It's a sports injury, they happen, they suck, yeah it happened to Kobe, but he's just another basketball player.

With that being said---was there really any point of a few specific hockey fans in here to come out and puff their tough guy chest? People being dicks about it makes a lot of hockey fans look like attention craving douches
 
numble said:
I don't think you can make a judgement based on your own experience. Especially since "playing basketball" can mean many things, with the most popular forms not even using a full-court or even using a shot-clock or time limit to get across half-court. I've encountered different levels of exhaustion playing basketball, half-court, pick-up, indoors, with a shot clock, etc. I was extremely exhausted just sprinting up and down on a 35 second clock, after being well-conditioned for full-court games without a shot clock.


Going back to just the injury itself, an Achilles injury will dramatically effect your ability to jump and land, which are extremely important in basketball.
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Basketball is not as physically demanding as hockey. That's just the way it is. Hockey requires everything basketball requires with a more demanding level of physicality.
 
lamaroo said:
Sure, but in basketball, players slowly walk up the court every 30 seconds, and the whistle is blown every minute(no citation sorry). I'm not trying to rip on the NBA here either, just countering your post.



I'm just talking about personal experience now. The act of skating itself is harder than walking and running. Stopping on skates requires you to dig into the ice, as does getting started again, with is much harder than stopping and started on feet. The act of shooting a puck is much harder than shooting a basketball.
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the difference is they are not sitting down every 30 seconds. both are intensive activities but your point was to diminsh basketballs activities when hockey is a sport requires only effort for 30 seconds every mintue or so.
 
Godslay said:
Hockey requires everything basketball requires with a more demanding level of physicality.
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no it doesnt, you can go multiple possessions in a NHL game without anyone being required to leap. you can get a job in the NBA with limited basketball skill and great leaping ability. thats how a guy like Dwight Howards thrived the last decade.
 
Adam Blade said:
I agree with numble. Simply saying "I played both at a non-competitive level and can judge that one sport makes me more tired than another" would be wrong.

So, lamaroo, tell me the measured energy expenditures for each sport and show me again your hard proof that hockey is more exhausting than basketball. Otherwise, blanket statements shouldn't be made.
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how many minutes do the best NHL players play anyway? Because from what I remember, isn't it close to 20-25 per?

So as you can see you obviously can't compare the sports in terms of energy expenditure, they are so different in terms skill set and rules.
 
pompidu said:
the difference is they are not sitting down every 30 seconds. both are intensive activities but your point was to diminsh basketballs activities when hockey is a sport requires only effort for 30 seconds every mintue or so.
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It's actually closer to 45 seconds to 1 minute for the average shift.

theignoramus said:
no it doesnt, you can go multiple possessions in a NHL game without anyone being required to leap.
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Leaping is a just a small portion of the whole. Hockey involves the physicality and contact of football, while requiring the endurance and athleticism of basketball. It's more demanding physically even if you don't jump.
 
lamaroo said:
Nobody has called out this post on its bullshit yet?

Try and play hockey my friend, way more physically exhausting than basketball. Stopping and starting on skates is something that happens many times a shift, and takes way more energy than on foot. You don't have time in a hockey game to do a pretty little loop everytime you need to change direction.
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Who is even talking about energy? I'm talking about mostly absorbing impact, and you've done nothing to dispute that other than saying, "well I get alot more tired playing hockey than basketball"...
 
pompidu said:
the difference is they are not sitting down every 30 seconds. both are intensive activities but your point was to diminsh basketballs activities when hockey is a sport requires only effort for 30 seconds every mintue or so.
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Yes but the effort required for those 40 second shifts is much higher than 40 seconds in Basketball. If they're on a power play, you'll see guys out there for 1-2 minutes at a time as the shifts are not as energy intensive.

We agree that the sports can't be directly compared, but I still believe, as do many others, that hockey requires more energy. I'm not diminishing Basketball player abilities.

To be more analogous to Basketball would be something like a hockey game where teams go back and forth on the powerplay after every scoring chance with no body contact.
 
I don't watch hockey on a regular basis and I'm more of a basketball and football junkie but to the naked eye, I think football and hockey are the most pain enduring sports. I mean, you're not exactly supposed to hit the hell out of people in basketball/baseball. And in baseball you can be fat as fuck and still be a good player so forget any physicality in that.

With that being said, players are brought up in a culture and deal with different pain thresholds. So certain injuries some guys can play through for certain things, others can't. Just depends on the sport and where you're hurt and how it affects you. Football players can dislocate bones and pop it in during the middle of play...there are very few basketball players that are ever okay with that because usually "holy shit dislocated finger" really fucks with a LOT of stuff you do and since there's so few players out there, you become a huge liability. And I have never heard of anyone able to play basketball on ANY level through this injury, so that's that.

I remember Richard Zednik's neck getting sliced in the middle of play (GO PANTHERS) and that's probably one of the nastiest things I've ever seen
 
Red Blaster said:
nobody with even a sliver of conscience would associate themselves with a trash sport where black players get bananas thrown at them and receive tweets in which they're called niggers and that they should go play basketball

i shudder to think about the abuse seth jones will receive after all the slackjawed racists that constitute a large part of nhl fandom see him in action
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Got damn, fiya.

Enemies enemy is my friend.

Now get your ass back in the NBA thread so we can go back to fighting like two elderly jewish sisters.
 
Ken Masters said:
Out for one year with this injury


Also to note: LOL @ the NBA/Stern giving the lakers 50 fucking FTs to insure they win the game and make the playoffs, warriors got 16.
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im recovering from a torn achilles right now. i think for a pro player, a year sounds about right. recovery is extremely slow and painful. I injured mine in February, i'm told that if i work very hard i MIGHT be able to run (at all) by the end of summer. consider the amount of strain that goes into your achilles/calf area playing basketball at the pro level.
 
Godslay said:
It's actually closer to 45 seconds to 1 minute for the average shift.



Leaping is a just a small portion of the whole. Hockey involves the physicality and contact of football, while requiring the endurance and athleticism of basketball. It's more demanding physically even if you don't jump.
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You can't say it requires the athleticism of basketball and then say leaping is a small part of basketball. Elton Brand, Tracy McGrady, etc. were shells of their former selves when they couldn't jump anymore. It's needed to rebound and especially defend, you can't contest or block shots without that, and you are not as great on offense if you don't have the explosive ability to attack the rim, or rise up over others for jump shots, especially fadeaways.
 
Triple U said:
Who is even talking about energy? I'm talking about mostly absorbing impact, and you've done nothing to dispute that other than saying, "well I get alot more tired playing hockey than basketball"...
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Everytime you dig into the ice you're putting pressure on your knees and thighs, the impact is the same as a Basketball player, aside from the landing from a jump. Balancing on skates, and getting up to speed is much harder than running. Would you like to compare body contact next?
 
Godslay said:
It's actually closer to 45 seconds to 1 minute for the average shift.



Leaping is a just a small portion of the whole. Hockey involves the physicality and contact of football, while requiring the endurance and athleticism of basketball. It's more demanding physically even if you don't jump.
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Lol. Hockey players are like baseball level non athletes.
 
lamaroo said:
Everytime you dig into the ice you're putting pressure on your knees and thighs, the impact is the same as a Basketball player, aside from the landing from a jump. Balancing on skates, and getting up to speed is much harder than running. Would you like to compare body contact next?
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i don't get it, why don't you just make a thread discussing energy expenditure of different sports rather than derailing this one?
 
lamaroo said:
Yes but the effort required for those 40 second shifts is much higher than 40 seconds in Basketball. If they're on a power play, you'll see guys out there for 1-2 minutes at a time as the shifts are not as energy intensive.

We agree that the sports can't be directly compared, but I still believe, as do many others, that hockey requires more energy. I'm not diminishing Basketball player abilities.

To be more analogous to Basketball would be something like a hockey game where teams go back and forth on the powerplay after every scoring chance with no body contact.
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The effort required seems debatable, hockey players aren't going full bore the whole time they are out there. As an outsider to Hockey except for the rare once a year outing to a game, IMO it's really absurd to watch players switch out and then sit on the bench waiting for the next shift. And just using a quick google search, these guys only average 20 25min a game of playing time, pretty ridiculous for atheletes. Don't get me started on baseball, chirst that is one lazy ass sport.
 
ph33nix said:
like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKggO62YPs4
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charsace said:
Dude has one title now and you think he's reached GOAT status? That man is Rick Barry tier right now. And Rick Barry had less when he won is only title.
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If he was a New York Knick you would dig up every reason to have him listed as the GOAT

Godslay said:
Bububububu, you don't leap in boxing.
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I get your point but it's a ESPN article for christs sake, are you really going to go by that as the truth
 
Football and Hockey are obviously the most brutal sports.

I love hockey because it's a sport for men. By that I mean, if you talk shit, if you think you are tough, then you better put up. When you do something dirty, or against the rules in hockey, you are going to get punched in the mouth. Period.

Sports like Basketbasll, even though it is my favorite sport, are infested with cowards. People injuring others, taking cheap shots, and acting tough, because they know the ref will save them. Then, they travel around with gigantic groups of people so if there ever is an issue, they can run and hide, once again.

Even football players to some degree are guilty of this. Football players are always getting caught doing dumb shit. They are really huge, strong guys, that simply have no idea how to handle themselves and resort to doing cowardly things outside of the sport. Obviously not all of them are like this, but enough for it to be an underline issues with the sport today.

I respect what all athletes put their bodies through.

I respect Kobe's attitude on this situation. Sadly, he himself said he will retire after next season. With this injury, he will be out most of next season. I think it's time for him to leave the sport. He is a young man. 35 is YOUNG. In the business world, you are still considered a kid. Many people don't even start their final career until 30.

He should retire, and spend time with his kids. Then involve himself in basketball again be it on ESPN, TNT or coaching.

There is nothing more sad than seeing an athlete not giving up and brutalizing his body for little gain.
 
lamaroo said:
Yes but the effort required for those 40 second shifts is much higher than 40 seconds in Basketball. If they're on a power play, you'll see guys out there for 1-2 minutes at a time as the shifts are not as energy intensive.

We agree that the sports can't be directly compared, but I still believe, as do many others, that hockey requires more energy. I'm not diminishing Basketball player abilities.

To be more analogous to Basketball would be something like a hockey game where teams go back and forth on the powerplay after every scoring chance with no body contact.
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but there's body contact every possession in basketball, especially in the post.
 
pompidu said:
The effort required seems debatable, hockey players aren't going full bore the whole time they are out there. As an outsider to Hockey except for the rare once a year outing to a game, IMO it's really absurd to watch players switch out and then sit on the bench waiting for the next shift. And just using a quick google search, these guys only average 20 25min a game of playing time, pretty ridiculous for atheletes. Don't get me started on baseball, chirst that is one lazy ass sport.
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How many minutes does an offense lineman average per game? Or a defensive lineman in the NFL? Minutes is a poor measurement. It's not going to the be same for each sport.
 
bjb said:
I think a handful of elite NHL players could keep up athletically playing basketball. Sans being able to shoot or make plays.

Meanwhile, I doubt many NBA players can even skate to begin with.
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Are you really trying to tell me that hockey players are as athletic as basketball players?

Just trying to clarify
 
lamaroo said:
Everytime you dig into the ice you're putting pressure on your knees and thighs, the impact is the same as a Basketball player, aside from the landing from a jump. Balancing on skates, and getting up to speed is much harder than running. Would you like to compare body contact next?
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Yes but when you go to stop on ice with skates, you slide. Dispersing the momentum as you move.

In every other sport where you have to stop, you do it almost fully on a single spot. And instead of some nice skates you have to do so with a weightless, almost cushion less basketball shoe.

It's not that hard at all to understand. You need an able Achilles alot more in a sport where you run and jump rather than in one where you skate on ice.
 
Flash said:
i don't get it, why don't you just make a thread discussing energy expenditure of different sports rather than derailing this one?
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I don't get it, why don't you just ignore my posts discussing energy expenditure of different sports rather than derailing this discussion?

pompidu said:
The effort required seems debatable, hockey players aren't going full bore the whole time they are out there. As an outsider to Hockey except for the rare once a year outing to a game, IMO it's really absurd to watch players switch out and then sit on the bench waiting for the next shift. And just using a quick google search, these guys only average 20 25min a game of playing time, pretty ridiculous for atheletes. Don't get me started on baseball, chirst that is one lazy ass sport.
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All I can say to that is you really need to play hockey to understand why a break is needed every 40 seconds.
 
bjb said:
I think a handful of elite NHL players could keep up athletically playing basketball. Sans being able to shoot or make plays.

Meanwhile, I doubt many NBA players can even skate to begin with.
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What a compelling argument.

'Derp I doubt many swimmers could cross country ski but I bet most cross country skiers can swim, derp.'

Cross country sking takes more skill! See!!
 
lamaroo said:
I'm just talking about personal experience now. The act of skating itself is harder than walking and running. Stopping on skates requires you to dig into the ice, as does getting started again, with is much harder than stopping and starting on feet. The act of shooting a puck is much harder than shooting a basketball.
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lamaroo said:
All I can say to that is you really need to play hockey to understand why a break is needed every 40 seconds.
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You keep bringing personal experience into this, so what are the characteristics of your time playing basketball? Full-court/half-court? Length of shot clock? Level of competition?
 
Triple U said:
Yes but when you go to stop on ice with skates, you slide. Dispersing the momentum as you move.

In every other sport where you have to stop, you do it almost fully on a single spot. And instead of some nice skates you have to do so with a weightless, almost cushion less basketball shoe.

It's not that hard at all to understand. You need an able Achilles alot more in a sport where you run and jump rather than in one where you skate on ice.
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Do you understand the concept of digging into the ice to skate, and the pressure that pits on your Achilles?
Bracing yourself for impact?

Btw, this was your post that started this whole argument, "So you're comparing an AT injury in a sport where you ice skate, to one where you have to run, make cuts, stop on a dime, change direction etc?"

The answer is yes you do in fact do all of that in hockey, except run.
 
ph33nix said:
Are you really trying to tell me that hockey players are as athletic as basketball players?

Just trying to clarify
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There are a number of hockey players who are as athletic as basketball and or football players. They just do not have the height or skill in the sport to ever play basketball.
 
Godslay said:
How many minutes does an offense lineman average per game? Or a defensive lineman in the NFL? Minutes is a poor measurement. It's not going to the be same for each sport.
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And I agree, I didn't make that claim originally, lamaroo did.

lamaroo said:
All I can say to that is you really need to play hockey to understand why a break is needed every 40 seconds.
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I played soccer, full 90 min in mid. That is fucking exhausting. Not saying that there is a correlation between the two but throwing out that Hockey requires more effort than basketball, is at best your own opinion.
 
MooseKing said:
There are a number of hockey players who are as athletic as basketball and or football players. They just do not have the height or skill in the sport to ever play basketball.
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Unfortunately height is a pretty big damn thing. Otherwise Chris Quinn would be a hall of famer.

Big Baybee said:
Seriously though, hockey fans. Who gives a fuck? Stop shitting up this thread with talk of your shit sport.
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meh, I would prefer we don't call each others sports 'shit' ... that's what made this thread a giant clusterfuck anyways when we had people coming in to say "bball players are pussies!"
 
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