I agree with improving the home screen and better access to settings is my most wanted change to iOS. That is the feature I am most jealous of for Android users when they can just flick BT on and off. Sharing data beteen apps would be great. I don't give a fuck about Siri, it seems like shit next to Google Voice. I would rather they improve it first. The default apps thing will never happen. And fuck flash. If I want that POS I will turn on my laptop.
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infiniteloop
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very interested in 10.9, slightly less in iOS 7.
It's probably going to be a very incremental update, seeing as they moved people to iOS department to pick up Forstalls mess.
smokeandmirrors
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God please no the sooner we get rid of it as standard the better and removing it from phones is a great way to accelerate its demise.
Besides adobe doesn't support flash on mobile anymore. Nor do they release it.
No one will be surprised if it is delayed.
All the upgrades have been incremental for awhile now.
badcrumble
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10.9 apparently has in-OS support for Apple's Maps feature (doubtful that it'll be a built-in app, but likely iPhoto will be linked to it, for example, as will other apps that use location data). It also has in-OS support for Siri (so hopefully Siri gets some nice improvements to response time and the number of services it pulls from).
My guess is that iOS 7 gets the drastic visual overhaul first, and it doesn't come to OS X until whatever the hell comes after 10.9.
Mammoth Jones
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Yea, it's time...
smokeandmirrors
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Yeah iOS 7 is far more important than 10.9 and I use both an iPhone and a MacBook Air. iOS is just such a larger base.
infiniteloop
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Yes. Apple said they're on really releases now.
BroDudeGuy
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Probably release in October. They usually give out developer copies around WWDC and test it over the Summer.
badcrumble
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Again, newness for newness's sake is dumb. There are features in iOS that require overhauls and additions, but that has little to do with which year it is. I don't need nor want novelty.
Mammoth Jones
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For me 10.8 does what I need it to do and really does it really, really well. I've never enjoyed using a damned laptop so much. And my retina macbook pro was my first time really digging through OSX. Everything is pretty straightforward. Except uninstalling some apps. I really wish that was handled a bit better on the OS level.
As far as which should get priority? iOS, no doubt. It's just stagnant. And I don't mean that in the sense that "Oh pish posh this screen of icons is so boring I need something new to look at just for the sake of having something new to look at." It's more in the sense of I don't understand why after all these years I have to press a ton of swipes and buttons to toggle things like brightness, airplane mode, wifi, gps...etc.
I'd also like to see the notification system and window get a complete overhaul.
Agreed. I don't want change for change sake. I want change because there are certain aspects of iOS's UI and flow that are just archaic and need to be updated to keep the OS relevant in a rapidly changing mobile landscape.
smokeandmirrors
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Yep. Besides some stability improvements(and even then) I can't think of anything else I need right now. Best os I've used.
The idea is the phone manages all this for you. You aren't supposed to worry about brightness, there's autobrightness; you aren't supposed to worry about WiFi or Bluetooth, it uses very little power when you aren't connected; you aren't supposed to worry about GPS, it only turns on when you're actively using an app that needs it; you don't need access to airplane mode from where ever you are because most people aren't flying all the time.
badcrumble
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I 100% get that, but the truth is that you *can* still save battery life by managing these things normally even if the OS is fairly smart about it.
Exactly. If iOS7 is going to suck i will blame all of you that wanted the thing to be changed.
True, you can, but the iPhone has never been designed for the kind of user who wants to micromanage their device like this. I suspect at Apple, they don't see the need to permanently stick a bunch of controls in the notification center to appease power users when the average user doesn't need them there.
colors. A box. I'm going with TV.
badcrumble
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I think iOS's top needs, with regard to UI, are, yeah, a revamp of the lock screen, a simplification of the notification center, and easier access to commonly used settings. More use could be made out of the app switcher, too, and the Spotlight screen.
And yeah, a UI chrome refresh with a flatter design would be nice for sure. Skeuomorphism in one sense of the term is fine -- drop shadows, for example, are a useful indicator of which elements are "in front" of each other, as are the concept of buttons, but that's very different from the amazingly gross leather/torn paper stuff, which needs to go.
I think it's much more important, though, to get apps to be much better at talking to each other and to fix iCloud data syncing. I think revamping the way apps handle documents would be a good thing as well so they could be more easily opened and edited by multiple apps instead of having to make new copies of themselves each time that occurs.
Some nice tweaks would be simple stuff like folding the Voice Memos and Notes app into each other, or getting rid of the Compass app entirely (since it was really just there as a tech demo for the compass inside the iPhone 3GS and its functionality is fully contained within the Maps app).
And yeah, a UI chrome refresh with a flatter design would be nice for sure. Skeuomorphism in one sense of the term is fine -- drop shadows, for example, are a useful indicator of which elements are "in front" of each other, as are the concept of buttons, but that's very different from the amazingly gross leather/torn paper stuff, which needs to go.
I think it's much more important, though, to get apps to be much better at talking to each other and to fix iCloud data syncing. I think revamping the way apps handle documents would be a good thing as well so they could be more easily opened and edited by multiple apps instead of having to make new copies of themselves each time that occurs.
Some nice tweaks would be simple stuff like folding the Voice Memos and Notes app into each other, or getting rid of the Compass app entirely (since it was really just there as a tech demo for the compass inside the iPhone 3GS and its functionality is fully contained within the Maps app).
At this point, I've lost almost all interest in iOS. I really doubt Apple is going to make any major changes. I would guess the VISUAL aspect of the UI for sure but probably not much else... but eh, they already lost me to the Nexus 4.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they can add for 10.9 because I honestly don't really have many problems at all with Mountain Lion.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they can add for 10.9 because I honestly don't really have many problems at all with Mountain Lion.
brotkasten
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I hope the new Passbook welcome screen from 6.1 was just the start.
nhlducks35
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I believe the first 5 iPhones were announced here.
badcrumble
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They'll piss off the fifteen or so people who use Mac Pros.
That lonely iPod Classic
I hope they don't get rid of the classic...its a classic. No pun intended. They should make it flash storage but keep the same software and layout.
FYI iPhone 3G, 3GS and 4 were announced at WWDC.
OriginalThinking
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16. I'm thinking of getting one. Or are you suggesting I should get an Air?
Wait, wait you are talking desktop. Sorry.
Phoenix
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Our designers are too busy doing other shit to come up with a good logo.
badcrumble
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Let's hope they upgrade everything this year...
Pretty much everything on there is quite likely to get upgraded... although the MacRumors Buyer's Guide is a less useful resource these days (averaging out times between upgrades is terrible for predicting iPod, iPad, or iPhone updates, and the Mac line might be moving gradually toward a once-a-year nearly-simultaneous update too).
The non-Retina MacBook Pro is likely to get taken behind the wood shed and shot this year, of course, and the same thing might happen to the Mac Pro.
Updates to the Thunderbolt Display are, of course, going to wait until it's feasible to upgrade them (and the iMac line) to Retina Displays - which will have to do with the rollout of higher-speed Thunderbolt and lowered manufacturing cost of high-density displays.
This year, mostly expect Haswell updates sometime in the summer, which will mean that Apple notebooks are going to get drastically better (and we might see Retina Displays in the MacBook Air, also).
IHaveCandy
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Rounded colored squares = app icons
app icons stacked = integration
integration = sharing data resources and APIs for app communication.
app icons stacked = integration
integration = sharing data resources and APIs for app communication.
badcrumble
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This sort of weird tealeaf-reading never pans out, btw, even though better app data integration is extremely likely. The logo has zilch to do with that sort of thing.
CrunchinJelly
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Looking forward to iOS 7 with flat everything.
Apple's been following a "tick-tock" major release / refined release cycle for OS X recently, so it's safe to assume this one may be a major release:
10.5 -> 10.6, 10.7 -> 10.8, 10.9...
infiniteloop
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I expect 10.9 to be incremental like 10.7 -> 10.8, some new features and some polish.
However, it's still the software I use most during any day, so that's what I'm looking forward to seeing.
However, it's still the software I use most during any day, so that's what I'm looking forward to seeing.
CharminUltra
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That logo is terrible.
Still looking forward to it, tho. E3 week should be fun.
Still looking forward to it, tho. E3 week should be fun.
badcrumble
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This is honestly unlikely to be a hardware-centric event, guys.
Auron_Kale
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Yep, hardware tends to get their own events, but WWDC usually is software-centric.
That said, I'm really anxious to see what they have planned for iOS 7.
smokeandmirrors
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Patient young grasshopper. There will be an event for it midjuly for MacBook refreshers and updates. (Probably)
Backfoggen
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When MBA retina. When.
Desperately needs this. Hopefully that image is a sign of them shaking things up for the aging springboard.
Well, just as long as we get the updates before the fall semester starts.
infiniteloop
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They announced the Retina MBP last WWDC. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they spec bump the Retinas or Air or EOL the 'Classic' MBP, even if it's just an update on the web site.
PotatoeMasher
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The only hardware I expect, and therefore would be disappointed if it weren't covered, is the new Mac Pro (or whatever type of machine they're replacing it with).
Other than that I'm pumped about iOS and OS X updates. I was going to try to snag a ticket as I'm doing more and more iOS work these days, but have decided to sit it out as they'll be posting videos during the conference instead of after. Should be a big one.
In case anyone else missed it:
Other than that I'm pumped about iOS and OS X updates. I was going to try to snag a ticket as I'm doing more and more iOS work these days, but have decided to sit it out as they'll be posting videos during the conference instead of after. Should be a big one.
In case anyone else missed it:
smokeandmirrors
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Oh yeah they do it every year. It's when I bought mine with the $100 iTunes credit too.
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