Polygon Rumor: Xbox 720 DRM, Achievements, Friendslist, and Share feature info
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Dude. You're stretching. Discs would work... after a code.
Uno Venova
Banned
For the multiplayer yeah.
mugurumakensei
Member
And the single player if the single player is setup to be always online.
You guys are missing the point. With Durango, there is a possibility of the online DRM being on the console/OS level where with PS4, it's up to the publishers to decide and with recent events with Diablo 3 and SimCity, is looking might ridiculous to implement. Just because Sony is being hush on it doesn't mean that it's actually happening.
*sigh* With what proof?
Miles Quaritch
Member
...Unless the game requires an online activation or a persistent online connection to even start.
This isn't mentioned in the article, but it will be true when the consoles launch.
Uno Venova
Banned
If a few want to sure.
mugurumakensei
Member
Uh, it's not being done at the OS level. It's still being done on game by game basis.
Miles Quaritch
Member
This is naive, we know publishers are more than willing to lock single player content behind online passes. 'online passes' will become activation keys next generation, I'm absolutely, 100% sure about this. Everything about how online passes have been implemented points to this/
mugurumakensei
Member
No, when a publisher ships a game out. The game will either require online or it won't. The only time it can change is via patch.
According to who? Polygon? I really can't wait for this reveal to happen to all of this shit can be explained once and for all. My decision to sell my 360 rests on it.
The achievement thing wouldn't bother me so much if they have 2 separate lists. One for your base achievements (1000 for the original game and 250 for each DLC) and those never change or get messed with.
Then you can have a separate list for "Communal Accomplishments" or whatever. These are the event based achievements and the points add to your overall GS.
That way, you avoid having ALL games be like Full House Poker, where you only have a short timeframe to get the achievements or else they are gone forever.
Then you can have a separate list for "Communal Accomplishments" or whatever. These are the event based achievements and the points add to your overall GS.
That way, you avoid having ALL games be like Full House Poker, where you only have a short timeframe to get the achievements or else they are gone forever.
It sounds like it's done at the service level i.e. Xbox live. The minimum requirement mentioned is one-time activation, like Steamworks.
NullPointer
Member
I remember the good old days of GAF when the idea of locking single player content behind online passes or required internet connections was seen as universally beyond the pale, and only the delirious paranoiac ravings of slippery slope types.
Funny thing is it wasn't even that long ago.
Its amazing how quickly things can change and expectations can get reset, and how far the goal posts keep moving.
mugurumakensei
Member
No. It says even the one-time activation is optional.
It says a publisher may require an internet connection for a game. If they do, they can do it via one time authentication or always-on.
Uno Venova
Banned
How they are try it on the next gen consoles is something we will have to see and don't know about yet, I'm not so sure it will be as widespread.
It will be day 1 of the console launch that we will see if Yoshida lied about bringing your games to your friend and being able to play them. (Or Michael Denny about being able to play games without an internet connection.)
Sony has launch games and EA has launch games and both use online passes for their games.
That doesn't make much sense in the scheme of things
Since games install and you don't need a disc, the system would be a pirate fest
Internet will be required, just not constant - and it will likely be upwards of a week in which the system needs to refresh its leases
Yeah, you're right about that, but it still sounds like Microsoft is directly supporting a console-wide DRM scheme, rather than leaving it up to each publisher to provide their own. Though I'm sure each publisher could opt out and do their own thing within limits.
Beer Monkey
Member
You know the Catwoman part of Arkham City? The part of the game that you can't access unless you authenticate it online with the included code?
Imagine exactly that, except the whole game is locked inside the Catwoman code.
And remember, not ever game is like Arkham City, only some are.
Finally, lean back, close your eyes, and think of England. It won't hurt for too long.
Sounds like retail PC games? Some you just install and run, some require a Steam account?
Ninja Moomin
Banned
you know what... I've changed my mind... there is just a negative bias at the minute.
This news isn't terrible, but everyone is jumping on it.
If you don't like cheev's just frigging ignore them?
This news isn't terrible, but everyone is jumping on it.
If you don't like cheev's just frigging ignore them?
You, uh, do have a choice in the matter (on twitter); you can see who's following you and block them at will, or even block them preemptively. You also have the option of hiding messages from everyone but mutual follows.
It may not be that great for friendship-type interactions, but it's wonderful for casual acquaintances or people with any kind of fame. I can want to follow Daigo and see when he's streaming SF4 4K Edition without him needing a popup every time I play Uno, dig?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Ban bets ban bets ban bets!
Not a problem, but I'd rather put money on the line. If I'm wrong, I'll donate £50 to a charity of someone's choice.
Absolutely, but this has been a long time coming and we, as gamers, are partly to blame. We supported games that included online passes, we supported Arkham City that locked single player content behind an online pass. Publishers used games they knew would be appealing/proven good sellers to push online passes and it worked wonderfully.
Fair enough, but I believe it will be incredibly widespread. There will be a few holdouts, but the vast majority of games will require online activation. Hell, I fully expect a flurry of persistent online games at launch, publishers will try their damnedest to make it the norm, it's up to us and gamers in general to not support those games, however appealing they may be.
NullPointer
Member
Keep them out of multiplayer and ignoring them becomes do-able.
Goldenroad
Member
Exactly. And if you do like achievements, this just means more of them. I don't see how that part can really be viewed as a negative in any light.
Doug Heffernan
Member
No way. This practice would be more beneficial to the publishers than the console maker.
Microsoft doesn't care about used game sales, if they did then every first party game would have an online pass like Sony's first party games do.
AgentP
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Or the disc code is checked via an internet DB and if it is associated with an account, it won't install. So one check every time you install. Sounds like asking for piracy though, if you could get a hacked system to skip the install check.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I'm a guy who loves trophies / achievements and I think this change sucks really bad. I hate not having 100% on games where I want them and with changes like this it means you have more games where its impossible to get them due to timed ones (ie. you have to partake in this specific event that only happens once) or having dumb things like cross title ones.
Well, it's 2013 and some people still haven't figured out achievements can be ignored/are only as valuable as we hold them to be.
Miles Quaritch
Member
This reads like a controlled leak. I think it's fair to say that this is what we can expect from the Durango. Some clarification on a couple of points is needed though.
Beer Monkey
Member
I've said since day one that the only way "online required" would fly is if both Sony and MS are doing it.
And this is completely consistent with that.
I assure you, if Lost Planet 3 or Bioshock Infinite 2 (examples) require online authentication, they will do so on BOTH the PS4 and the Durango. I fucking guarantee it.
And this is completely consistent with that.
I assure you, if Lost Planet 3 or Bioshock Infinite 2 (examples) require online authentication, they will do so on BOTH the PS4 and the Durango. I fucking guarantee it.
I don't know about the 360, but on the ps3 you can't disable achievement notifications.
phosphor112
Banned
Outside of HS's, killing spree's etc, how would a "magic moment" automatically get captured? Also, why not keep it on? Does it give it a performance or hdd hit?
Uggghhh...
Wait, wait I'm just catching up. What's the deal with Sony's stance on this? I thought they don't have any DRM stuff in the PS4?
how do you change something like that with a patch ?
you could just delete the patch and go on ? unless its mp only ofcourse.
That would be awful and immersion-breaking.
You might be right that it would be more beneficial to publishers, but given the relative levels of success between Sony and Microsoft this gen in preventing piracy publishers may have some leverage in demanding anti-piracy measures.
However just because there is console-based DRM I don't think we can assume it will be as restrictive as Steam. Online authentication can allow used games and still block piracy.
BlastProcessing
Member
Wait, how is Microsoft being honest about anything Durango related? They haven't even acknowledged the thing exists. I agree that people should be careful, and that Sony has left themselves a little wriggle room for asshattery, but everything about Durango is hearsay and conjecture at this point.
Risk Breaker
Member
"Tweak consumer behaviour" = "New achievement: Access the ingame DLC store section!" + "New achievement: Enter any DLC's buying section" + "New achievement: Stay in the screen to buy any DLC for longer than an hour".
joking
includes a next-gen approach to video sharing,
Microsoft is also trying to come up with a system for video sharing though all of the details are still being locked down.
How do these two things go together? the first sounds like they have a clear plan, the second that they are looking at what to do
Microsoft is also trying to come up with a system for video sharing though all of the details are still being locked down.
How do these two things go together? the first sounds like they have a clear plan, the second that they are looking at what to do
mugurumakensei
Member
Uh, some patches are one and done. The original would be effectively lost with a system that installs all game to hard drive.